Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 62: WMS animator

2011-07-28 Thread Rob Atkinson
Given the obvious focus and lead of the Met/ocean and climate communities on interoperability, core capablities in time series portrayals would be very welcome I expect. Rob A On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Gabriel Roldan wrote: >> WRT t

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 62, animator: call for vote

2011-07-27 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 sounds pretty cool. It would be nice to allow a range and step size instead of just discrete value list maybe avalmin avalmax avalstep or avalstep=start,end,stepsize I also think you need an example of how CQL_filter would have an avalue - i suspect it would need to be a parameter within a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Moving teradata community module to extension

2011-05-25 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 from me. Although I'm somewhat on the outside these days I get a sense of a more orderly and better communicated evolution with fewer nasty suprises and fantastic levels of mutual support across teams and geographic boundaries. Respect! Rob On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Justin Deoliveira

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Promoting the querylayer module to extension?

2011-03-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1. No doubt it will raise the ante for describing the content of layers better - both structurally (schema) and the domain and range of each element. some interesting movement in OGC to make the capabilities more modular, which is another necessary precursor to describing data well. Rob On Mon

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Geoserver WFS and PostGis 3D

2011-01-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
there will be interest from the Spatial Information Services Stack project, (contributing the app-schema support) in this as some of the funding comes from the earth resources sector, and they have a lot of 3D data. Regards Rob Atkinson On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Sjoerd Brandsma wrote: >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] timing for RC1

2011-01-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 for option 1 I think your concerns are well justified, and only if someone had some major funding milestone needing a RC today should we consider it. Rob On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > Hi all, > As was discussed last week the plan is to start the RC1 release tomo

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 57 - Improving GeoServer authorization framework

2010-12-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
looks like a good idea. my first thought was how does this relate to GeoXACML - and I see you have been thinking about this - is it possible to map out what GeoXACML would require and how this proposal supports this? If I was an expert in GeoXACML I'd do this myself - but I'd then be in the dark a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Returning proper HTTP error codes: epic failure?

2010-12-12 Thread Rob Atkinson
whether OWS can be considered RESTful :-) (and the answer is of course no!) good luck with the workarounds - its really working around I.E's behaviour, which is frustrating on many levels. Rob On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > moral support, at the very least :-) > >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Returning proper HTTP error codes: epic failure?

2010-12-10 Thread Rob Atkinson
moral support, at the very least :-) I'll forward it on to the OGC as well - and see if I can get a response. There is an emerging discussion on HTTP protocol and browser-friendliness... Rob On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Hi, > tried implement the OWS 2.0 policy of retur

Re: [Geoserver-devel] discussion about wms 1.3 support

2010-12-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 on this strategy its perfectly natural to have "levels of conformance" - and at some point someone will probably want to define limited functionality profiles of these specs - so it should be possible to prioritise improvements against such requirements if and when they emerge, otherwise be dri

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New community module: simple feature service

2010-12-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 it seems that we've captured one concern when dealing with another - rest and configuration management are independent concepts, and we've either applied policy to REST, where we want to apply it to config, or we've named a config interface after the protocol. Worth fixing at some stage - but i

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Nominate Gabriel Roldán for Pr oject Steering Committee

2010-11-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 - welcome back! On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > I am pleased to nominate Gabriel Roldán for the GeoServer Project > Steering Committee. > > Gabriel is a former PSC member whose reputation precedes him; Gabriel is > a prolific committer [1], maintainer of ArcSDE plu

Re: [Geoserver-devel] App-Schema performance

2010-11-23 Thread Rob Atkinson
"The optional numberOfFeatures attribute is used to indicate the number of features that are in the response document." Why not just ignore it by default (maybe a configuration flag to force it). Does anyone know of any clients that rely on it (even though its optional?) Rob On Tue, Nov 23, 201

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [Geotools-devel] WMS GetFeatureInfo GML output

2010-11-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Rob Atkinson > wrote: >> App-schema allows clients to use style sheets to deal with responses. >> (Because its a known schema, a stylesheet can be published and used to >> render it. I have build clients with catalogues of stylesheets for >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [Geotools-devel] WMS GetFeatureInfo GML output

2010-11-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
App-schema allows clients to use style sheets to deal with responses. (Because its a known schema, a stylesheet can be published and used to render it. I have build clients with catalogues of stylesheets for each feature type - and no way would it be worth bother with ad-hoc flat schemas). We buil

Re: [Geoserver-devel] PSC: GSIP 55, upgrading WPS module to extension, ready for vote

2010-11-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
+0 (reflecting just ignorance of the state of it, not any reservations) Rob On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Mark Leslie wrote: > +1 ! > > On 13 November 2010 08:56, Andrea Aime wrote: >> Hi, >> here is the latest GSIP for your voting pleasure: >> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+55+-+Pro

Re: [Geoserver-devel] srsName, urn:x-ogc vs urn:ogc (more headaches and long term decisions)

2010-11-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
Welcome to _my_ nightmare :-)! There is a lot, a LOT, of debate at the moment about optimal form of identifiers - see the UK Location Strategy for example. EPSG as an entity no longer exists - making things fun... I think we can only cope by addressing the reality - the concept we are identifying

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Simplifying and speeding up the release process

2010-11-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
> This still assumes you can plan ahead a release by two weeks. > I'm not normally in such conditions, I can have the occasional slow day, > or the boring weekend, but I cannot foresee when that will happen. > What I'd like to see is the possibility to cut a release with minimal > warning instead.

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Simplifying and speeding up the release process

2010-11-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
This is a good idea IMHO - particularly if the process of tagging and assigning release identifiers can be automated - automation requires clarity of the process, which is a good thing too :-) Andrea's experience about whats actually most reliable is really important to learn from. Two suggestion

Re: [Geoserver-devel] adding dbconfig community module

2010-10-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Justin Deoliveira > wrote: >> Hi all, >> Thanks to everyone for voting on the catalog/config refactor gsip. Now that >> this is out of the way i would like to add the new dbconfig stuff as a >> community m

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 52 - Catalog / Config DAO Refactor - Call for Vote

2010-10-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
+0 (i havent had time to think about the approach, but support the concept), On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jody Garnett wrote: > I tried to indicate my +1 last week. I am excited by the technical direction. > Jody > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Justin Deoliveira > wrote: >> Hi all,

Re: [Geoserver-devel] RFC: Parametric SQL View Enhancement Proposal (and patch)

2010-10-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
Hi Eli, this is great work, nicely described. Please attach the patch to a JIRA task, and create those other JIRA tasks. Previously I've done the same sort of thing using SLDs - each SLD can have a filter and I stored a parameterised SLD - and parameterised WFS templates for the same purpose, in

Re: [Geoserver-devel] App-schema store: any way to directly refer to a local store?

2010-10-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 it would alos allow previewing the connection with the standard UI! Rob On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Hi, > I was wondering, is there any way to make the app-schema store refer to > an already configured GeoServer store instead of adding all in the info > inline in th

Re: [Geoserver-devel] upgrading to wicket 1.4

2010-10-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
Generally, stricter is better in terms of maintenance - there is a good reason they found it worthwhile to improve strictness in some place. +0 on that basis and not wasting the work. Rob On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > Hi all, > Recently i have come across a few e

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 49, WMS module cleanup and refactoring

2010-09-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
Looks like a great idea. Looking at the review they look like issues worth addressing - particularly CITE testing and docs :-) So, you can have a preliminary +1 once those issues are addressed. One other question - and I may be behind the times here and its already there - is there a hook in the

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP - GML 3.2 support

2010-09-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > Hi all, > During the last few works I have been working on initial GML 3.2 support in > GeoServer. I am at a point where I would like to commit to the trunk. Here > is the proposal. >   http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+50+-+GML

Re: [Geoserver-devel] PSC: moving control-flow module to extension

2010-06-03 Thread Rob Atkinson
sounds good to me +1 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: > As I recall you made a proposal earlier; and we decided to let the > functionality hang out for a while we got feedback (and confidence) from > people using it in the field.  Sounds like that has occurred? > +1 > > Jody

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Proposing new community module: embedded ftp server

2010-06-01 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 Perhaps possible to have something that only enables the service when a default admin is replaced with strong password? its convenient for developers, but no real service should allow a weak password on a well known account name. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Arne Kepp wrote: > I like th

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Proposing new community module: embedded ftp server

2010-06-01 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 Perhaps possible to have something that only enables the service when a default admin is replaced with strong password? its convenient for developers, but no real service should allow a weak password on a well known account name. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Arne Kepp wrote: > I like th

Re: [Geoserver-devel] wms 1.1.1 cite issues

2010-05-20 Thread Rob Atkinson
Hi, perhaps this can be solved as a "domain and range" pattern: the single point is the range, but the domain is the context: for example a single point with the capital of the USA should have a domain extent of the USA, not the point. Will this work (or can it be fudged to work) with the exampl

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Fully automating CITE tests?

2010-05-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
ail as they make the release and find trouble. > > Jody > > > On 15/05/2010, at 1:59 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > >> Andrea and Jody worked on some content validation services against WFS >> - this is OS - "duckhawk" I think they called it. >> >> I wonder

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Fully automating CITE tests?

2010-05-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
Andrea and Jody worked on some content validation services against WFS - this is OS - "duckhawk" I think they called it. I wonder how far that is away from being able to execute the CITE tests? As you pointed out, the good thing about CITE is the tests are separated and formalised, and not hidden

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating feature types from SQL queries: a plan for GeoServer

2010-05-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
) configurations is always a major pain with trying to establish distributed geoserver networks. NB connecting to static files might be more relaxed - but there might be issues with allowing cascading too. Rob On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Rob Atkinson ha scritto: >> &

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating feature types from SQL queries: a plan for GeoServer

2010-05-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
Have to be pretty careful rest config doesnt open SQL injection attack paths of course :-) On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:50 AM, wrote: > +1, full agreement > > > Quoting Andrea Aime : > >> christian.muel...@nvoe.at ha scritto: >>> I think we should consider 2 additional facts. >>> >>> 1) The configu

Re: [Geoserver-devel] PSC: GSIP 46 - Creating new feature types from GUI and from REST api

2010-05-02 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 for me (I just wanted to make sure Ben was happy it was going to be extensible for app-schema - its a great idea) Rob On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > +1 > > On 29/04/10 15:20, Andrea Aime wrote: >> Andrea Aime ha scritto: >>> Hi, >>> since the work on the "create n

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [Geotools-devel] New functionality: creating new feature types with an sql query in jdbc data stores

2010-03-23 Thread Rob Atkinson
evil man! Actually, you've pretty much described the extension to app-schema Ben and I have discussed, and I was going to have a play with once I'd gort a coupel of other jobs out of the way... Our idea was to create an "inverse mapping" using substitution parameters - which is pretty much what y

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New functionality: creating new feature types with an sql query in jdbc data stores

2010-03-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
This did occur to me - but I thought I'd stick with the first issue - can we dump sql-datastore and also have user-defined native sql procedures exposed as filter functions? On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > On 19/03/10 22:22, Andrea Aime wrote: >> during the NY OpenGe

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New functionality: creating new feature types with an sql query in jdbc data stores

2010-03-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Rob Atkinson ha scritto: >> >> I see Gabriel is in the loop - this functionality sounds similar to >> the sql-datastore module included in the 1.6 community-schemas >> dependencies - can we get an analysis

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New functionality: creating new feature types with an sql query in jdbc data stores

2010-03-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
I see Gabriel is in the loop - this functionality sounds similar to the sql-datastore module included in the 1.6 community-schemas dependencies - can we get an analysis of how this new initiative compares - and if its equivalent (or more complete) work with Ben to ensure we have some unit tests usi

Re: [Geoserver-devel] dependencies among complex feature types

2010-02-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
That was a good post Justin. Enjoyed readin it to the end. Without speaking for Ben and Rini, who now has a much deeper understanding of the way schemas are used in app-schema, I will comment on the underlying requirements. Firstly, the application schema imports all its dependencies explicitly.

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Cleaning up community section

2010-02-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 go Andrea! app-schema will shortly be planning the process to go for supported in GeoTools - I think we are close to resolving the last major functional limitation, though improved configuration support needs considering in Geoserver. Then we'll get on to some testing on some more community sch

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Graduating control flow module to extension

2010-02-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
Perhaps we could generate two builds - one minimal and one maximal - with all community extensions (and a mechanism for these to be excluded if there is a known problem with it breaking the deployable) - this would allow people to get experience with functionality on test installations much easier.

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Graduating control flow module to extension

2010-02-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
I fully agree with Justin on this one - its a positive to have Andrea looking after it, but perhaps not the right signal to move something based just on the quality of support. i think the community will recognise that value without forcing it into extensions prematurely. If there is an external dr

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Stable Rules [was] Re: virtual services, 2.0.x or trunk?

2010-01-20 Thread Rob Atkinson
We've lived with not being able to put things onto the stable branch, its only taken 7 years of dogged effort before we've found a customer willing and able to fund getting things into the trunk ;-) I think the pragmatic approach you suggest is good - default is conservative but the PSC can overru

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Making docs easier to find

2010-01-20 Thread Rob Atkinson
Would it be possible to add a link/block to all the docs - so all docs have a link to a permanent URL for the current stable branch and trunk versions? This would a) help people find the right version b) let people know there are multiple versions c) allow people wondering about specific functiona

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 44 - move to vote

2009-12-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
yep +1 On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > yep +1 > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: >> Thanks Justin. >> >> +1 >> >> Jody >> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Justin Deoliveira >> wrote:

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 44 - move to vote

2009-12-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
yep +1 On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: > Thanks Justin. > > +1 > > Jody > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Justin Deoliveira > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> The discussion for GSIP 44 has wound down so it would be great if the >> PSC could officially vote on it. >> >> http://g

Re: [Geoserver-devel] WFS schema location: why not canonical URL?

2009-12-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
'm > not seeing the gain clearly. Sounds like the effort is greater than the > value to me, at least there's more compelling reasons. That is, I'm pretty > sure client software is NOT using xml catalogs. If they wanted to use an > OASIS Catalog though, they could just as

Re: [Geoserver-devel] WFS schema location: why not canonical URL?

2009-12-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
y weren't even serving it at all?  We've got a decently big user base, so >> we might increase the traffic there not insignificantly. I'm not opposed to >> it, but this is the first complaint we've got about it, and I'm not >> convinced that there's

Re: [Geoserver-devel] WFS schema location: why not canonical URL?

2009-12-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
of a performance gain for many > clients.  And I'm generally of 'if it's not broke don't fix it'. > > Rob Atkinson wrote: >> >> It should should be default ("truth in advertising") >> >> app-schema  always uses the correct url for

Re: [Geoserver-devel] WFS schema location: why not canonical URL?

2009-12-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
It should should be default ("truth in advertising") app-schema always uses the correct url for the configured schema anonymous schema always uses a introspective data-store derived schema from the WFS clients using XML, a web technology, without a web connection need to use the standard XML arc

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Proposal to implement limited virtual services

2009-12-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
Yep - thats pretty much exactly the business requirement I was prediciting - and you've even been motivated enought to build a layer to enforce it! Rob On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Just van den Broecke wrote: > I am very glad to see this feature moving ! > > For what it's worth and I may not

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Proposal to implement limited virtual services

2009-12-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
cool - just wanted to put the idea forward early to make sure its considered. Perhaps a note to that effect in the GSIP? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > > > Rob Atkinson wrote: >> >> I notice you talk about workspaces in one sentence then

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Proposal to implement limited virtual services

2009-12-07 Thread Rob Atkinson
I notice you talk about workspaces in one sentence then "a map" in another sentence. My understanding is that workspaces are bound to default namespaces (app-schema will get you out of that, but I've yet to get my head around whether workspaces just become an impedence overhead, or whether they ef

Re: [Geoserver-devel] PSC: GSIP 43, release cycle lenght

2009-11-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
I think it would be a great idea to factor in cost for a release. It would be even better if there was a review+release capability - so party A could factor in party B to do a review and release (or even Party C to do the release). Maybe we should but a fixed fee $ (or euro :-) ) figure on a rel

Re: [Geoserver-devel] geoserver.org rated "Red" security risk by [SEC=Unclassified] McAfee [SEC=Unclassified]

2009-11-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
> From: Andrea Aime [mailto:aa...@opengeo.org] >> Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 9:13 AM >> To: Rob Atkinson >> Cc: Geoserver-devel >> Subject: Re: [Geoserver-devel] geoserver.org rated "Red" security risk >> by [SEC=Unclassified] McAfee [SEC=Unclassified]

Re: [Geoserver-devel] PSC: GSIP 34 is open for vote and feedback, and also, is the PSC alive?

2009-11-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
Hi I am waiting for feedback from those more intimately involved in the release cycle - otherwise you can have a +0 from me, based on my ignorance of our ability to actually resource the plan. Rob On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Mike Pumphrey ha scritto: >> Sorry to jump i

[Geoserver-devel] geoserver.org rated "Red" security risk by McAfee

2009-11-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
Just reporting from the field. McAfee "SiteAdvisor" is installed by company policy. I'm not sure how to follow this up. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your r

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Developers: what version of svn (client) are you using?

2009-11-10 Thread Rob Atkinson
1.6.2 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > 1.6.5 > > Andrea Aime wrote: >> Hi, >> following up the "Switched externals on  2.0.x" thread >> I'd like to ask what svn client are you using, what version, >> in particular. >> >> The idea is the using svn 1.5 relative externals

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Time to branch off to 2.0.x?

2009-10-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
issues, neither of which is 100% clear to me at the moment :-) rob On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Chris Holmes wrote: > > > Rob Atkinson wrote: >> >> Just a heads-up, I think app-schemas will need to fix things on the >> 2.0 branch - fixes for the major outstand

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Time to branch off to 2.0.x?

2009-10-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
Just a heads-up, I think app-schemas will need to fix things on the 2.0 branch - fixes for the major outstanding issues shouldnt need to affect any other code if they are done cleanly. I guess this leads to a question about WFS 2.0 and GML 3.2 support though - it would be good to roll that into 2.

Re: [Geoserver-devel] CITE testing results for GS 2.0-RC2

2009-10-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
Note this is a very specific test of a particula aspect, The four basics of GML simple features level 2 profiles we dont support yet are 1) inheritance of feature types (= attribnutes from multiple namespaces) 2) ability to xlink to reference element values instead of embedded inline encodings 3)

Re: [Geoserver-devel] CITE testing results for GS 2.0-RC2

2009-10-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
app-schema is stuck on GEOT-2505 for xlink and any other gml data type attribute support. Hopefully we can get a chance to deal with this at FOSS4G :-) I am not aware of any proposed changes, especially any proposals "not accepted" by the app-schema team - is there some changes proposed on a back-

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Styles, scales, filters and Oracle... oh my!

2009-10-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Rob Atkinson ha scritto: >> >> Is the missing piece of the puzzle that selection and classification >> in SLD is reusing filters, but have different semantics? I can feed >> back to the SLD revision group (which is being

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Styles, scales, filters and Oracle... oh my!

2009-10-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
Is the missing piece of the puzzle that selection and classification in SLD is reusing filters, but have different semantics? I can feed back to the SLD revision group (which is being proposed to be re-formed) that this is an implementation problem, and maybe get the next version fixed. In the me

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GeoServer users BOF at FOSS4G?

2009-10-02 Thread Rob Atkinson
Any takers for Geoserver representation at the INSPIRE BoF? I could go, but I already know a lot about INSPIRE having reviewed some of the specs, and I dont have a specific interest in providing support to European customers. Rob On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Simone Giannecchini wrote: > I wi

Re: [Geoserver-devel] geometryless

2009-09-30 Thread Rob Atkinson
data t > o being displayed on a map, which will be the first foray into GIS for > many of these agencies. > > Unfortunately, I have no resources to offer to help make it happen in > Geoserver.  It's a tight time for us.  So I will see about making it > work with what&#

Re: [Geoserver-devel] geometryless

2009-09-30 Thread Rob Atkinson
ct ... no SDE or > Oracle Spatial involved.  I've read about the geometryless/locationsxy > work in geotools that it seems never made it to supported status.  And I > see in the previous generation of docs that this can be accomplished > with the "community schemas" bui

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Calling PSC for vote on "GSIP 42, official testing team"

2009-09-23 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 I've added to GSIP wiki. Rob On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: > Hi Andrea: > > This proposal has my support (+1). > > Jody > > On 23/09/2009, at 6:54 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > >> Hi, >> GSIP 42 seems ready to go, I've incorporated latest feedback >> from Jody about bug sta

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Complex features in the user manual

2009-09-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
Yes - this is the reason we renamed it "app-schemas" - the idea is the schema is defined by a wider application that is implemented using a services architecture. Of course one could publish an "introspective schema" (i.e. based on your private persistence model) as an application schema, but no-o

Re: [Geoserver-devel] review practices

2009-09-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
I agree with Andrea's perspective. Its a tricky balancing act. the thing that worries me a little is the process of assigning module maintainers - either a few people get it all, and wont be able to keep up with review load, or many people, and its hard to keep track of who's actually active, or

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GeoServer 2.0: a good occasion to become strict?

2009-09-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
My bad. Please, if anyone is offended, make it known direct to me, I was not intending to be offensive and am quite a friendly guy in person - its not fair to expect Andrea to be the policeman on other's behalf. Rob On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Rob Atkinson h

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GeoServer 2.0: a good occasion to become strict?

2009-09-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
Cheeky thoughts #234 With app-schema you could fix the ArcSDE persistence layer pollution - maybe a config utility to generate the schema and autoconfig the app-schema mapping file. Anyone who deploys a solution relying on the technology choice behind a standard service interface needs their head

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Which version of Geoserver should go on the FOSS4G LiveDVD?

2009-08-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
I think 1.7 should be on the DVD. 2.0 will change too much before the conference - and should be unencumbered to do so. It might be possible to put it on as a "preview" to show off the new UI concept, but maybe rather than code just some screenshots might give people a feel. Rob On Wed, Aug 26,

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Properties data store

2009-08-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
I think its quite useful to be able to ship a self-contained example Geoserver data dir, using property stores. Where the issue is how to use some relatively complex piece of config, such as app-schema, or SLDs, or examples of how to invoke various output formats, or describing advanced query capab

Re: [Geoserver-devel] App-schema and GML topology

2009-07-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
s and I'll have a look to see how achievable it is as part of the process. Regards Rob Atkinson On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Oxenstierna Andreas wrote: > Hej > > Can the app-schema extension handle GML3 2D topology structures, like Planar > Topology, as defined in GML3 spec chapt

Re: [Geoserver-devel] #roadmap update, July 14, 09

2009-07-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
I'd really, really like to fix the GML bindings before RC1 - the forcing of GML schema defined objects onto JTS implementations that are a very narrow interpretation is very limiting (kills hope of any temporal data types using gml for example - you cant do a 1D position on a temporal CRS because d

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Trunk cleanups

2009-07-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
Sounds like a good idea do we have a list of the "legacy" modules - are you talking specifically about the old UI, or a broader cleanup? Rob On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > +1, less dependencies yay!! > > Andrea Aime wrote: >> Hi all, >> I was wondering if it's a good

Re: [Geoserver-devel] road map update process

2009-07-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
agreed. it would be good to tag discussions eg [Roadmap] so that it is easier to pay attention, likewise GSIP stuff is usually well tagged, but you still need to pay attention quite carefully. Rob On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Justin Deoliveira ha scritto: >> Hi all, >> >>

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Catalogue trinity

2009-06-30 Thread Rob Atkinson
the term I have been using is 'service profile' - i.e. how a set of users expect a service to behave Context matches the OGC generalisation of a WMS context. It sort of relates more to an invocation than a configuration though IMHO so, if you take the context to be the user-centric viewpoint of c

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Cleaning up Wicket web UI URLs

2009-06-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 but I'd also caution that we need to understand the workflow and objects before committing. Justin and I had quite a long and productive conversation in Perth about possible workflows - and how these could be optimised for different roles (the service manager as opposed to the data specialist

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GeoServer and OSGEO

2009-06-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 from me On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Hi all, > one of the points raised quite often at the Bolsena code > sprint was that GeoServer is not part of OSGEO, and the > thing is seen as odd and/or harmful for both entities. > > That is, people ask why GeoServer is not part o

Re: [Geoserver-devel] UI suggestion

2009-06-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
Been chatting with Jody, Justin, Gabriel and a bunch of users - we had an idea which might be relevant here... Role-based wizards - this would address the concerns here in two ways: 1) you show the options most relevant to the role of the user - service deployer vs system admin vs developer vs co

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Catalog, namespaces, workspaces, layer names...

2009-06-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
well, for a start its great to see the issue being debated before finalisation of code :-) I'm not over the intricacies of the beast to be honest, just providing a "sanity check". One thing I'd point out - namespaces do not exist to disambiguate the feature type on the server - they exist to disa

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Catalog, namespaces, workspaces, layer names...

2009-06-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
Thinking out aloud... what if we have the same feature type being delivered by multiple stores - for example a common gazetteer view of the different feature types. Or sometimes we have several sub-types, and we want to provide a single view using a supertype. This situation does occur in practi

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Community schema status ?

2009-06-10 Thread Rob Atkinson
er vs Geology). We are getting good support from the OpenGeo folks, and are actively working towards trying to have a app-schema available as a core capability in standard Geoserver releases from 2.0 on. regards Rob Atkinson On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Just van den Broecke wrote: > Hi

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Timeout and memory limit patches applied to 1.7.x and trunk, plus some questions

2009-05-28 Thread Rob Atkinson
well done Andrea. Your ideas about which formats they apply to seems to reflect a variety of different reasons for doing this work - illustrating perhaps how important it is. These reasons include: 1) making sure the server is robust - doesnt fail with OOM or something and deliver the wrong thin

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [PSC] Wrapping up GeoServer 2.0 beta1 tomorrow

2009-05-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
for beta1, but they obviously would be for beta2 so thanks for laying it out. Sorry about the late response to the roadmap - I only got something running yesterday to give me confidence it would be worth aiming at this round of betas. R On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Wrapping up GeoServer 2.0 beta1 tomorrow

2009-05-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
problems do arise, that seem to be hard to resolve, you can always back it out in a second cut. The unit tests for app-schema could be disabled if the build time is an issue, since this beta is not about testing the app-schema functionality yet. Regards Rob Atkinson On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Re: [Geoserver-devel] fun with cite tests

2009-04-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
Will it help if we aim for CITE compliance with 2.0, using the app-schemas stuff.? For people who will care about CITE, they are probably going to care about app-schema support as well (cf. INSPIRE). IMHO we could afford to let CITE conformance slide for pre 2.0 versions - in much the same way as

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Some thoughts on secure transport for GeoServer (HTTPS/SSL)

2009-04-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
Supporting this would be a very good thing, and well worth the investment. One slight addition to the analysis: a lot of services are exposed via firewalls and proxies - and these set-ups are often imposed across large swathes of government by (practically) immutable and poorly designed service co

Re: [Geoserver-devel] any "sql datastore" already?

2009-03-31 Thread Rob Atkinson
Hi I've been waiting for the basic app-schema capabilities to come on line so I can test them, after that my priority will be working out what to do with geomtryless - which relies on sql-datastore. I'm wondering whether I will be able to completely deprecate the geomtryless module by either: a)

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Layer names, resource aliases

2009-03-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
> > Last time I checked application-schema datastore was read only? Yes it is, but we should discuss this as part of the next steps strategy work. > And GeoServer must do WFS-T. What I really want is something that > allows me to rename attributes and map types on simple features > without: > 1)

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Layer names, resource aliases

2009-03-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
Oh dear doesnt an oversimplification always cause headaches.. A couple of observations that have not yet been made... 1) A Layer is not the same as a FeatureType, semantically. Hence assuming they are the same will always cause a problem. For example, a RoadNetowrk may consist of roads, bridges,

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 34, call for vote

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
s one :). > Manually defining namespaces during configuration is a corner case in the long run. These will always be defined in application schemas, or can be generated automatically without user configuration if they have no external meaning. So, just want to avoid putting too much effort int

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 34, call for vote

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: > Ah you miss understand me; we are discovery the services in code form; > as such we do not need a folder to straighten all the individual > service files out. > > I expected to see a service/ folder but it is not strictly needed. > I wasnt c

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 34, call for vote

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
d of clients. It should be possible to "make this up" during FeatureType configuration, or use one extracted from the definition of the FeatureType (the application schema case). Its not clear to me if this is an issue - probably an implementation issue, not a directory structure i

Re: [Geoserver-devel] complex features (DataStore <-> DataAccess)

2009-03-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
do it in Geoserver - Ben has been doing som work on setting up test cases for Geoserver, but I dont think we have a easy to use test configuration you can tweak yet - but this will be a priority th Rob Atkinson On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:04 AM, odi wrote: > Hi, > I've heard that complex

Re: [Geoserver-devel] road map update, Feb 17, 09

2009-02-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
> * 1.7.x into bug fixing mode > > As feature development winds down on 1.7.x what do people think about > putting 1.7.x into bug-fix only mode? The motivation is to focus on 2.x > and the features that have been brewing there for probably too long. We > will of course still put out regular release

Re: [Geoserver-devel] user collaboration thoughts

2009-02-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
t lack of good metadata should not prevent anyone > from putting real data out there. > Would totally agree with this. "Good" is very subjective, so get the data out while you work out what is good in different contexts! Rob > Chris > >> >> >

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