Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-07 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 11:17 -0500, Derek J. Balling wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:14 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: I'm not really sure the US way is better though — you have the *same* rule for devi[cs]e and advi[cs]e, use 's' for both forms of licen[cs]e and as far as I can tell nobody

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-07 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 16:23 +, Andy Waddington wrote: I do, however, regard the TV licence people as entirely separate from the BBC, whom I held in much higher regard - until they started making TV programmes available on the net, as long as you didn't use Linux or live somewhere too rural

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-07 Thread Chris Marriott
To: Derek J. Balling Cc: get_iplayer Subject: Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer

RE: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-07 Thread Andy Wedge
-Original Message- From: get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org [mailto:get_iplayer- boun...@lists.infradead.org] On Behalf Of David Woodhouse Sent: 07 January 2012 09:52 To: Chris Marriott On Sat, 2012-01-07 at 09:31 +, Chris Marriott wrote: David - why do all your messages

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-07 Thread Derek J. Balling
On Jan 7, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Andy Wedge wrote: Like many, I use Outlook and each mail from David shows it has a 1KB attachment which is irritating when all it contains is details about the get_iplayer mailing lists, URL and email address. I get the same with emails from Jonathan W but they

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-07 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 11:57:08PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Oh dear, I seem to have upset the apple-cart. I can access BBC TV in Dublin (where I live) on FreeSat and Saorview (saor = free in Irish) as well as on Sky TV (which I subscribe to), so it seemed to me logical that I might be

OT: Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-07 Thread Shevek
On 7 January 2012 09:52, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: All my messages are S/MIME-signed. Perhaps it gets rendered oddly by your mail client when mailman appends an unsigned signa^H^H^H^H^Htrailer to each message? It looks sane here: http://david.woodhou.se/mail.png All emails

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread spam.mc
To be honest, I don't see the point of get_iplayer, at least for me, since I can access and download those iplayer programs available in Dublin on my browser, which is a good deal easier to use than get_iplayer. If your browser works okay, it probably means that a properly configured

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread Jon Davies
On 5 January 2012 20:39, bat guano batguano...@hotmail.com wrote: ...this is the relevant section from Terms of Use of BBC Online Services that applies to get_iplayer 3.2.1 If you are outside the UK You may not access, view and/or listen to certain parts of BBC Content [...] if you are

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread Chris Marriott
-Original Message- From: Jon Davies Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:14 PM To: get_iplayer Subject: Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK On 5 January 2012 20:39, bat guano batguano...@hotmail.com wrote: This is a rather rubbish clause in the terms, which makes it very unclear

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread Chris Marriott
-Original Message- From: Jon Davies Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:14 PM To: get_iplayer Subject: Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK On 5 January 2012 20:39, bat guano batguano...@hotmail.com wrote: This is a rather rubbish clause in the terms, which makes it very unclear

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread Derek J. Balling
On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Chris Marriott wrote: The fundamental issue is that BBC TV is only accessible to TV licence payers, and if you're not a licence payer, you're not entitled to view it. Pedantically: UK residents are required to pay a TV licence, and aren't entitled to have TVs

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 10:41 -0500, Derek J. Balling wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Chris Marriott wrote: The fundamental issue is that BBC TV is only accessible to TV licence payers, and if you're not a licence payer, you're not entitled to view it. Pedantically: UK residents are

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 11:04 -0500, Derek J. Balling wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:01 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: Actually convincing the man with the detector van of that fact, and getting them to stop hassling you, is of course another matter :) Ha. Like there's any chance of a detector van

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread Chris Marriott
-Original Message- From: Derek J. Balling Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:41 PM To: Chris Marriott Cc: get_iplayer Subject: Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK Pedantically: UK residents are required to pay a TV licence, and aren't entitled to have TVs without paying said

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread Andy Waddington (software devel)
Sometime before sending, Derek J. Balling typed (and on Friday 2012-01-06 sent): Pedantically: UK residents are required to pay a TV licence, and aren't entitled to have TVs without paying said licence fee. If you sit offshore and can still catch the TV broadcast, you're perfectly, legally,

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-06 Thread dinkypumpkin
On 06/01/2012 16:14, David Woodhouse wrote: and as far as I can tell nobody actually *knows* what the correct US spelling is for 'practi[cs]e' :) Well, practise would get you sent to the back of an American classroom. To practice your spelling, of course :}

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-05 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 07:01:40PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: I had understood that get_iplayer was a way of getting round the BBC embargo. But seems that I was completely wrong? Yes. get_iplayer is a client for BBC iPlayer, just as your web browser is. If you want to get at content

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-05 Thread Shevek
On 5 January 2012 18:01, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote: I too found Clive's tutorial http://www.4shared.com/office/o8q1NlX3/get_iplayer_instructions_for_u.html very useful, enabling me to use the application for the first time. But it brought me to the point where I realised that

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-05 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 07:01:40PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: But it brought me to the point where I realised that much, if not all, iplayer content is not available outside the UK. I had understood that get_iplayer was a way of getting round the BBC embargo. But seems that I was

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 19:45 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: On a wider note, I am increasingly peturbed at the number of enquiries this list receives about this sort of thing. I do not think we should encourage people to access content to which they are not entitled because they do not hold

RE: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-05 Thread bat guano
Subject: Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK From: dw...@infradead.org To: j...@debian.org Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:23:53 + CC: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 19:45 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: On a wider note, I am increasingly peturbed at the number

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-05 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:39:33PM +, bat guano wrote: It's not necessary to have a TV license to access watch/listen again BBC programmes from iPlayer. But this is the relevant section from Terms of Use of BBC Online Services that applies to get_iplayer In this context I do not

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-05 Thread Clive
I apologise if my tutorial has caused any problems. It contains details on use for those in the UK - it does not contain any information on how to access BBC material from outside the UK. Indeed, I am in the UK and do not know how to access files from outside. It contains details on how to set

Re: Accessing the BBC from outside the UK

2012-01-05 Thread Timothy Murphy
On Thursday 05 January 2012 19:45:46 Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: I had understood that get_iplayer was a way of getting round the BBC embargo. But seems that I was completely wrong? get_iplayer in itself is not a tool for contravening license conditions. On a wider note, I am increasingly