On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 22:59, James Scholes <ja...@jls-radio.com> wrote:

> All that being said, there appears to be something blocking GiP from 
> accessing Bidi.  Maybe it needs authentication now, maybe it's just broken.  
> Who knows.  Either way, blocking Bidi requests should never lessen the 
> effectiveness of GiP, because it has two other suppliers to choose from.  
> Bidi is a relatively new effort from the BBC, and before it came along, GiP 
> only had access to two and there was never a problem.

It might be worth keeping an eye on changes to the iPlayer Kodi
plugin, which seems to still be being maintained:

https://github.com/vonH/plugin.video.iplayerwww/

(To answer OP - yes, I am seeing more and more "blocked" messages recently.)

S.


On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 22:59, James Scholes <ja...@jls-radio.com> wrote:
>
> Also, just to add: the BBC hosts content across three content delivery 
> networks (CDNs).  One in-house (Bidi) and two third party (Akamai and 
> Limelight).  This creates redundancy and a geographical spread.  Even though 
> Bidi is the BBC's own offering, and used exclusively for UK-based users, they 
> wouldn't want to rely on it alone.  So the other two, Akamai and Limelight, 
> also host content for UK viewers.
>
> The ability to exclude (or only include) certain suppliers within GiP 
> downloads was, I believe, introduced to permit the fastest possible 
> downloads.  If users find that they're downloads from, say, Limelight are far 
> slower than those from akamai or Bidi, they can block them.  By default, GiP 
> will do something to determine one to use from all three, although I'm not 
> sure what.  It could be random, it could be based on the order returned by 
> the BBC's media selector service, or there may be a specific priority list.
>
> All that being said, there appears to be something blocking GiP from 
> accessing Bidi.  Maybe it needs authentication now, maybe it's just broken.  
> Who knows.  Either way, blocking Bidi requests should never lessen the 
> effectiveness of GiP, because it has two other suppliers to choose from.  
> Bidi is a relatively new effort from the BBC, and before it came along, GiP 
> only had access to two and there was never a problem.
>
> Note: this is all supposition; I don't work and have never worked for the 
> BBC, nor have I ever actively contributed to GiP's code.
>
> Regards,
>
> James Scholes
>
> On 26/04/2021 at 3:58 pm, George Muter wrote:
> > I've just tried this out on a couple of Fawlty Towers episodes currently
> > available. The first with the exclude-supplier bidi command and the second
> > without it. What surprised me was that the first, which did exclude the 403
> > errors, downloaded at 170mb/s whilst the second without the bidi command
> > downloaded at 25 mb/s for the same quality video. I'm just a simple user but
> > am I right in assuming that bidi refers to bi-directional? In which case is
> > something being lost in the download - reliability??
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > George Muter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: get_iplayer <get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org> On Behalf Of
> > James Scholes
> > Sent: 26 April 2021 20:12
> > To: get_iplayer-request <get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org>
> > Subject: Re: Failing to download msg
> >
> > The message explicitly says to ignore it if the program is downloaded
> > successfully.  If for some reason you are closely monitoring the output of
> > GiP and it's getting in the way, you can exclude the CDN that is generating
> > the errors:
> >
> > get_iplayer --exclude-supplier bidi ...
> >
> > ... which doesn't prompt the error in my very basic testing.  You can also
> > add that to your preferences or presets, although the syntax for doing that
> > easily escapes me at the moment.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > James Scholes
> >
> > On 26/04/2021 at 1:15 pm, Chris Brady wrote:
> >> Yes - I get these all of the time. CJB
> >>
> >> On 26/04/2021, fred.d <fre...@timelords.org.uk> wrote:
> >>> I've noticed an increase over the past few months in getting the
> >>> failed to download messages see sample after this message, which is
> >>> the last error then success.
> >>>
> >>> Initially before Christmas it was every so often. Jan and Feb it
> >>> moved to repeat once or twice on most of the downloads with a few not
> >>> an issue but all download OK. In the last couple of months it's been
> >>> every file fail message twice then downloads OK. Today I had a couple
> >>> with 5 fails then downloads OK.
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate that the program says ignore the message if it downloads
> >>> and my downloads are successful...
> >>>
> >>> However I was wondering if anyone else is getting the same level of
> >>> response as I am and if so, does anyone actually know why the
> >>> frequency might be increasing.
> >>>
> >>> Asking partly because I just like to know these sorts of things but
> >>> also partly because if it's something to do with my setup I'd like to
> >>> get it back to "normal".
> >>>
> >>> I haven't changed the config options for about 2 years so I'm
> >>> presuming it's more likely changes at the remote end. I could
> >>> speculate but I'm wondering if anyone knows.
> >>>
> >>> Ta.
> >>>
> >>> ------
> >>>
> >>> ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3):
> >>> https://c1b1bteaips.sp.bidi.live.bbc.co.uk/vod-hls-uk/usp/auth/vod/pi
> >>> ff_abr_full_sd/dcfde3-p07kvctj/vf_p07kvctj_a
> >>> 8cac489-bdda-483f-ae0d-27d3d7ddf42b.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_hls_master.m3u8?
> >>> at=Ww262mGZ7a1dc6a235e548cffcab8cc34065bf98ee8f60005c0e34bc71240
> >>> ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden
> >>> ERROR: Access to this resource was blocked by the BBC
> >>> ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful
> >>> INFO: Downloading tv: 'Silent Witness: Series 5 - 06. Faith, Part 2
> >>> (p032kkx2) [original]'
> >>> INFO: Downloaded: 658.19 MB (00:49:54) @ 21.49 Mb/s (hvfxsd1/bi)
> >>> [audio+video]
> >>>
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