Re: Failing to download msg
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 22:59, James Scholes wrote: > All that being said, there appears to be something blocking GiP from > accessing Bidi. Maybe it needs authentication now, maybe it's just broken. > Who knows. Either way, blocking Bidi requests should never lessen the > effectiveness of GiP, because it has two other suppliers to choose from. > Bidi is a relatively new effort from the BBC, and before it came along, GiP > only had access to two and there was never a problem. It might be worth keeping an eye on changes to the iPlayer Kodi plugin, which seems to still be being maintained: https://github.com/vonH/plugin.video.iplayerwww/ (To answer OP - yes, I am seeing more and more "blocked" messages recently.) S. On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 22:59, James Scholes wrote: > > Also, just to add: the BBC hosts content across three content delivery > networks (CDNs). One in-house (Bidi) and two third party (Akamai and > Limelight). This creates redundancy and a geographical spread. Even though > Bidi is the BBC's own offering, and used exclusively for UK-based users, they > wouldn't want to rely on it alone. So the other two, Akamai and Limelight, > also host content for UK viewers. > > The ability to exclude (or only include) certain suppliers within GiP > downloads was, I believe, introduced to permit the fastest possible > downloads. If users find that they're downloads from, say, Limelight are far > slower than those from akamai or Bidi, they can block them. By default, GiP > will do something to determine one to use from all three, although I'm not > sure what. It could be random, it could be based on the order returned by > the BBC's media selector service, or there may be a specific priority list. > > All that being said, there appears to be something blocking GiP from > accessing Bidi. Maybe it needs authentication now, maybe it's just broken. > Who knows. Either way, blocking Bidi requests should never lessen the > effectiveness of GiP, because it has two other suppliers to choose from. > Bidi is a relatively new effort from the BBC, and before it came along, GiP > only had access to two and there was never a problem. > > Note: this is all supposition; I don't work and have never worked for the > BBC, nor have I ever actively contributed to GiP's code. > > Regards, > > James Scholes > > On 26/04/2021 at 3:58 pm, George Muter wrote: > > I've just tried this out on a couple of Fawlty Towers episodes currently > > available. The first with the exclude-supplier bidi command and the second > > without it. What surprised me was that the first, which did exclude the 403 > > errors, downloaded at 170mb/s whilst the second without the bidi command > > downloaded at 25 mb/s for the same quality video. I'm just a simple user but > > am I right in assuming that bidi refers to bi-directional? In which case is > > something being lost in the download - reliability?? > > > > Regards > > > > George Muter > > > > -Original Message- > > From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of > > James Scholes > > Sent: 26 April 2021 20:12 > > To: get_iplayer-request > > Subject: Re: Failing to download msg > > > > The message explicitly says to ignore it if the program is downloaded > > successfully. If for some reason you are closely monitoring the output of > > GiP and it's getting in the way, you can exclude the CDN that is generating > > the errors: > > > > get_iplayer --exclude-supplier bidi ... > > > > ... which doesn't prompt the error in my very basic testing. You can also > > add that to your preferences or presets, although the syntax for doing that > > easily escapes me at the moment. > > > > Regards, > > > > James Scholes > > > > On 26/04/2021 at 1:15 pm, Chris Brady wrote: > >> Yes - I get these all of the time. CJB > >> > >> On 26/04/2021, fred.d wrote: > >>> I've noticed an increase over the past few months in getting the > >>> failed to download messages see sample after this message, which is > >>> the last error then success. > >>> > >>> Initially before Christmas it was every so often. Jan and Feb it > >>> moved to repeat once or twice on most of the downloads with a few not > >>> an issue but all download OK. In the last couple of months it's been > >>> every file fail message twice then downloads OK. Today I had a couple > >>> with 5 fails then downloads OK. > >>> > >>> I appreciate that the program says ignore the message if it downloads > >>> and my downloads are successful..
Re: Failing to download msg
Also, just to add: the BBC hosts content across three content delivery networks (CDNs). One in-house (Bidi) and two third party (Akamai and Limelight). This creates redundancy and a geographical spread. Even though Bidi is the BBC's own offering, and used exclusively for UK-based users, they wouldn't want to rely on it alone. So the other two, Akamai and Limelight, also host content for UK viewers. The ability to exclude (or only include) certain suppliers within GiP downloads was, I believe, introduced to permit the fastest possible downloads. If users find that they're downloads from, say, Limelight are far slower than those from akamai or Bidi, they can block them. By default, GiP will do something to determine one to use from all three, although I'm not sure what. It could be random, it could be based on the order returned by the BBC's media selector service, or there may be a specific priority list. All that being said, there appears to be something blocking GiP from accessing Bidi. Maybe it needs authentication now, maybe it's just broken. Who knows. Either way, blocking Bidi requests should never lessen the effectiveness of GiP, because it has two other suppliers to choose from. Bidi is a relatively new effort from the BBC, and before it came along, GiP only had access to two and there was never a problem. Note: this is all supposition; I don't work and have never worked for the BBC, nor have I ever actively contributed to GiP's code. Regards, James Scholes On 26/04/2021 at 3:58 pm, George Muter wrote: > I've just tried this out on a couple of Fawlty Towers episodes currently > available. The first with the exclude-supplier bidi command and the second > without it. What surprised me was that the first, which did exclude the 403 > errors, downloaded at 170mb/s whilst the second without the bidi command > downloaded at 25 mb/s for the same quality video. I'm just a simple user but > am I right in assuming that bidi refers to bi-directional? In which case is > something being lost in the download - reliability?? > > Regards > > George Muter > > -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of > James Scholes > Sent: 26 April 2021 20:12 > To: get_iplayer-request > Subject: Re: Failing to download msg > > The message explicitly says to ignore it if the program is downloaded > successfully. If for some reason you are closely monitoring the output of > GiP and it's getting in the way, you can exclude the CDN that is generating > the errors: > > get_iplayer --exclude-supplier bidi ... > > ... which doesn't prompt the error in my very basic testing. You can also > add that to your preferences or presets, although the syntax for doing that > easily escapes me at the moment. > > Regards, > > James Scholes > > On 26/04/2021 at 1:15 pm, Chris Brady wrote: >> Yes - I get these all of the time. CJB >> >> On 26/04/2021, fred.d wrote: >>> I've noticed an increase over the past few months in getting the >>> failed to download messages see sample after this message, which is >>> the last error then success. >>> >>> Initially before Christmas it was every so often. Jan and Feb it >>> moved to repeat once or twice on most of the downloads with a few not >>> an issue but all download OK. In the last couple of months it's been >>> every file fail message twice then downloads OK. Today I had a couple >>> with 5 fails then downloads OK. >>> >>> I appreciate that the program says ignore the message if it downloads >>> and my downloads are successful... >>> >>> However I was wondering if anyone else is getting the same level of >>> response as I am and if so, does anyone actually know why the >>> frequency might be increasing. >>> >>> Asking partly because I just like to know these sorts of things but >>> also partly because if it's something to do with my setup I'd like to >>> get it back to "normal". >>> >>> I haven't changed the config options for about 2 years so I'm >>> presuming it's more likely changes at the remote end. I could >>> speculate but I'm wondering if anyone knows. >>> >>> Ta. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): >>> https://c1b1bteaips.sp.bidi.live.bbc.co.uk/vod-hls-uk/usp/auth/vod/pi >>> ff_abr_full_sd/dcfde3-p07kvctj/vf_p07kvctj_a >>> 8cac489-bdda-483f-ae0d-27d3d7ddf42b.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_hls_master.m3u8? >>> at=Ww262mGZ7a1dc6a235e548cffcab8cc34065bf98ee8f60005c0e34bc71240 >>> ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden >>> ERROR: Access to this resource wa
Re: Failing to download msg
> am I right in assuming that bidi refers to bi-directional? No. "BIDI is the BBC’s own content distribution platform and is responsible for delivering media directly to the BBC end users in the UK."[1] [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/8c6c2414-df7a-4ad7-bd2e-dbe481da3633 Regards, James Scholes On 26/04/2021 at 3:58 pm, George Muter wrote: > I've just tried this out on a couple of Fawlty Towers episodes currently > available. The first with the exclude-supplier bidi command and the second > without it. What surprised me was that the first, which did exclude the 403 > errors, downloaded at 170mb/s whilst the second without the bidi command > downloaded at 25 mb/s for the same quality video. I'm just a simple user but > am I right in assuming that bidi refers to bi-directional? In which case is > something being lost in the download - reliability?? > > Regards > > George Muter > > -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of > James Scholes > Sent: 26 April 2021 20:12 > To: get_iplayer-request > Subject: Re: Failing to download msg > > The message explicitly says to ignore it if the program is downloaded > successfully. If for some reason you are closely monitoring the output of > GiP and it's getting in the way, you can exclude the CDN that is generating > the errors: > > get_iplayer --exclude-supplier bidi ... > > ... which doesn't prompt the error in my very basic testing. You can also > add that to your preferences or presets, although the syntax for doing that > easily escapes me at the moment. > > Regards, > > James Scholes > > On 26/04/2021 at 1:15 pm, Chris Brady wrote: >> Yes - I get these all of the time. CJB >> >> On 26/04/2021, fred.d wrote: >>> I've noticed an increase over the past few months in getting the >>> failed to download messages see sample after this message, which is >>> the last error then success. >>> >>> Initially before Christmas it was every so often. Jan and Feb it >>> moved to repeat once or twice on most of the downloads with a few not >>> an issue but all download OK. In the last couple of months it's been >>> every file fail message twice then downloads OK. Today I had a couple >>> with 5 fails then downloads OK. >>> >>> I appreciate that the program says ignore the message if it downloads >>> and my downloads are successful... >>> >>> However I was wondering if anyone else is getting the same level of >>> response as I am and if so, does anyone actually know why the >>> frequency might be increasing. >>> >>> Asking partly because I just like to know these sorts of things but >>> also partly because if it's something to do with my setup I'd like to >>> get it back to "normal". >>> >>> I haven't changed the config options for about 2 years so I'm >>> presuming it's more likely changes at the remote end. I could >>> speculate but I'm wondering if anyone knows. >>> >>> Ta. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): >>> https://c1b1bteaips.sp.bidi.live.bbc.co.uk/vod-hls-uk/usp/auth/vod/pi >>> ff_abr_full_sd/dcfde3-p07kvctj/vf_p07kvctj_a >>> 8cac489-bdda-483f-ae0d-27d3d7ddf42b.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_hls_master.m3u8? >>> at=Ww262mGZ7a1dc6a235e548cffcab8cc34065bf98ee8f60005c0e34bc71240 >>> ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden >>> ERROR: Access to this resource was blocked by the BBC >>> ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful >>> INFO: Downloading tv: 'Silent Witness: Series 5 - 06. Faith, Part 2 >>> (p032kkx2) [original]' >>> INFO: Downloaded: 658.19 MB (00:49:54) @ 21.49 Mb/s (hvfxsd1/bi) >>> [audio+video] >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> get_iplayer mailing list >>> get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org >>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer >>> >> >> > > ___ > get_iplayer mailing list > get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer > ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Failing to download msg
The message explicitly says to ignore it if the program is downloaded successfully. If for some reason you are closely monitoring the output of GiP and it's getting in the way, you can exclude the CDN that is generating the errors: get_iplayer --exclude-supplier bidi ... ... which doesn't prompt the error in my very basic testing. You can also add that to your preferences or presets, although the syntax for doing that easily escapes me at the moment. Regards, James Scholes On 26/04/2021 at 1:15 pm, Chris Brady wrote: > Yes - I get these all of the time. CJB > > On 26/04/2021, fred.d wrote: >> I've noticed an increase over the past few months in getting the failed >> to download messages see sample after this message, which is the last >> error then success. >> >> Initially before Christmas it was every so often. Jan and Feb it moved >> to repeat once or twice on most of the downloads with a few not an issue >> but all download OK. In the last couple of months it's been every file >> fail message twice then downloads OK. Today I had a couple with 5 fails >> then downloads OK. >> >> I appreciate that the program says ignore the message if it downloads >> and my downloads are successful... >> >> However I was wondering if anyone else is getting the same level of >> response as I am and if so, does anyone actually know why the frequency >> might be increasing. >> >> Asking partly because I just like to know these sorts of things but also >> partly because if it's something to do with my setup I'd like to get it >> back to "normal". >> >> I haven't changed the config options for about 2 years so I'm presuming >> it's more likely changes at the remote end. I could speculate but I'm >> wondering if anyone knows. >> >> Ta. >> >> -- >> >> ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): >> https://c1b1bteaips.sp.bidi.live.bbc.co.uk/vod-hls-uk/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_sd/dcfde3-p07kvctj/vf_p07kvctj_a >> 8cac489-bdda-483f-ae0d-27d3d7ddf42b.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_hls_master.m3u8?at=Ww262mGZ7a1dc6a235e548cffcab8cc34065bf98ee8f60005c0e34bc71240 >> ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden >> ERROR: Access to this resource was blocked by the BBC >> ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful >> INFO: Downloading tv: 'Silent Witness: Series 5 - 06. Faith, Part 2 >> (p032kkx2) [original]' >> INFO: Downloaded: 658.19 MB (00:49:54) @ 21.49 Mb/s (hvfxsd1/bi) >> [audio+video] >> >> >> ___ >> get_iplayer mailing list >> get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org >> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer >> > > ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Failing to download msg
I think it is the same for everyone, there were comments on here about it a month or so ago and I notice that several bugs have been raised on the github issues tracker relating to it. The developer has left them as closed/invalid (he/she has set the system to automatically close all issues logged but they re-open those that they accept are bugs) so presumably does not see it as an issue. > -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of > fred.d > Sent: 26 April 2021 19:02 > To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > Subject: Failing to download msg > > I've noticed an increase over the past few months in getting the failed to > download messages see sample after this message, which is the last error > then success. > > Initially before Christmas it was every so often. Jan and Feb it moved to > repeat once or twice on most of the downloads with a few not an issue but > all download OK. In the last couple of months it's been every file fail message > twice then downloads OK. Today I had a couple with 5 fails then downloads > OK. > > I appreciate that the program says ignore the message if it downloads and > my downloads are successful... > > However I was wondering if anyone else is getting the same level of > response as I am and if so, does anyone actually know why the frequency > might be increasing. > > Asking partly because I just like to know these sorts of things but also partly > because if it's something to do with my setup I'd like to get it back to > "normal". > > I haven't changed the config options for about 2 years so I'm presuming it's > more likely changes at the remote end. I could speculate but I'm wondering if > anyone knows. > > Ta. > > -- > > ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): > https://c1b1bteaips.sp.bidi.live.bbc.co.uk/vod-hls- > uk/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_sd/dcfde3-p07kvctj/vf_p07kvctj_a > 8cac489-bdda-483f-ae0d- > 27d3d7ddf42b.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_hls_master.m3u8?at=Ww262mGZ7a1dc6a > 235e548cffcab8cc34065bf98ee8f60005c0e34bc71240 > ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden > ERROR: Access to this resource was blocked by the BBC > ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful > INFO: Downloading tv: 'Silent Witness: Series 5 - 06. Faith, Part 2 > (p032kkx2) [original]' > INFO: Downloaded: 658.19 MB (00:49:54) @ 21.49 Mb/s (hvfxsd1/bi) > [audio+video] > > > ___ > get_iplayer mailing list > get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Failing to download msg
Yes - I get these all of the time. CJB On 26/04/2021, fred.d wrote: > I've noticed an increase over the past few months in getting the failed > to download messages see sample after this message, which is the last > error then success. > > Initially before Christmas it was every so often. Jan and Feb it moved > to repeat once or twice on most of the downloads with a few not an issue > but all download OK. In the last couple of months it's been every file > fail message twice then downloads OK. Today I had a couple with 5 fails > then downloads OK. > > I appreciate that the program says ignore the message if it downloads > and my downloads are successful... > > However I was wondering if anyone else is getting the same level of > response as I am and if so, does anyone actually know why the frequency > might be increasing. > > Asking partly because I just like to know these sorts of things but also > partly because if it's something to do with my setup I'd like to get it > back to "normal". > > I haven't changed the config options for about 2 years so I'm presuming > it's more likely changes at the remote end. I could speculate but I'm > wondering if anyone knows. > > Ta. > > -- > > ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): > https://c1b1bteaips.sp.bidi.live.bbc.co.uk/vod-hls-uk/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_sd/dcfde3-p07kvctj/vf_p07kvctj_a > 8cac489-bdda-483f-ae0d-27d3d7ddf42b.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_hls_master.m3u8?at=Ww262mGZ7a1dc6a235e548cffcab8cc34065bf98ee8f60005c0e34bc71240 > ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden > ERROR: Access to this resource was blocked by the BBC > ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful > INFO: Downloading tv: 'Silent Witness: Series 5 - 06. Faith, Part 2 > (p032kkx2) [original]' > INFO: Downloaded: 658.19 MB (00:49:54) @ 21.49 Mb/s (hvfxsd1/bi) > [audio+video] > > > ___ > get_iplayer mailing list > get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer > -- MSc. (O.R.); BSc. (Ind Maths); Dip. Ed. (F.E.); Cert Mgt (O.U.) Health & Safety Rep. - Unite (MSF/AMICUS) + Brit. Airways Freelance Investigative Journalist - re: Rogue Leasehold / Managing / Letting / Estate Agents ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Failing to download msg
I've noticed an increase over the past few months in getting the failed to download messages see sample after this message, which is the last error then success. Initially before Christmas it was every so often. Jan and Feb it moved to repeat once or twice on most of the downloads with a few not an issue but all download OK. In the last couple of months it's been every file fail message twice then downloads OK. Today I had a couple with 5 fails then downloads OK. I appreciate that the program says ignore the message if it downloads and my downloads are successful... However I was wondering if anyone else is getting the same level of response as I am and if so, does anyone actually know why the frequency might be increasing. Asking partly because I just like to know these sorts of things but also partly because if it's something to do with my setup I'd like to get it back to "normal". I haven't changed the config options for about 2 years so I'm presuming it's more likely changes at the remote end. I could speculate but I'm wondering if anyone knows. Ta. -- ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): https://c1b1bteaips.sp.bidi.live.bbc.co.uk/vod-hls-uk/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_sd/dcfde3-p07kvctj/vf_p07kvctj_a 8cac489-bdda-483f-ae0d-27d3d7ddf42b.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_hls_master.m3u8?at=Ww262mGZ7a1dc6a235e548cffcab8cc34065bf98ee8f60005c0e34bc71240 ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden ERROR: Access to this resource was blocked by the BBC ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful INFO: Downloading tv: 'Silent Witness: Series 5 - 06. Faith, Part 2 (p032kkx2) [original]' INFO: Downloaded: 658.19 MB (00:49:54) @ 21.49 Mb/s (hvfxsd1/bi) [audio+video] ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
