Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[Jon Davies]

On 9 October 2015 at 10:59, CJB  wrote:
> https://www.vpncompare.co.uk/bbc-iplayer-cracks-down-and-blocks-vpn-users/

so what?

get-iplayer isn't intended to be used to avoid, work-around or breach
the controls that the BBC apply to the content they make available on
iplayer, so the fact that the BBC has enforced those controls in
further ways is somewhat off topic.

Jon

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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[Fearghas Mckay]

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 07:32, George Eycott  wrote:
> 
> I agree - was not suggesting otherwise. Though the overseas and VPN part of
> your statement is irrelevant. If people do not pay the license fee and get
> BBC stuff for nothing they are stealing stuff we pay for. Don't care where
> they are or how they do it.

So as a UK resident who can’t receive TV so I don’t pay for a TV licence you 
think I should be regarded as a thief ? nice… Perhaps you should check the 
current legal situation of the licence fee before accusing folk of stealing.

And then perhaps stay on topic on the list ?

f


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RE: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[George Eycott]

> So as a UK resident who can’t receive TV so I don’t pay for a TV licence you
> think I should be regarded as a thief ? nice… Perhaps you should check the
> current legal situation of the licence fee before accusing folk of stealing.

You know when you wish you hadn't bothered. OK, so yes there is a loophole 
where people don’t need a license fee to watch catch up television which will 
undoubtedly change soon as it clearly is an anachronism from before such 
services existed. So yes technically you are not stealing (even though you are 
getting something for nothing) and I apologise for the implied accusation.

> And then perhaps stay on topic on the list ?

Indeed - back to using get_iplayer through a VPN while in the UK (if anyone 
actually wants to discuss that).. The whole point of my first reply!


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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[Mark Hammond]

I use a VPN when on holiday in France - if you had to login to the Iplayer  
with your TV licence number then this would get around this. I agree that  
people who don't pay shouldn't be getting the content.


Mark



So the point here is what. I pay the BBC license fee and am happy to do  
so.


If people outside of UK who do not pay the license fee are getting BBC  
content for nothing via a VPN or anything else they are stealing stuff I  
pay for.


The BBC and all who support it are right to take action to preserve the  
service for those who pay for it. There are enough threats to the BBC as  
it is.


If using a VPN in UK is blocking GIP or iPlayer or anything else surely  
the solution is in the configuration of the VPN ?


M






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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[Tom]

On 09/10/15 13:23, John Crisp wrote:

On 09/10/15 11:59, CJB wrote:

https://www.vpncompare.co.uk/bbc-iplayer-cracks-down-and-blocks-vpn-users/



On an entirely technical point it is clearly not all VPNs - I have just
tested with 2 different ones that I can use and neither are currently
blocked.

Both are VPNs with endpoints I control and are not through commercial
services. So perhaps they are just targeting the major VPN providers
such as the one mentioned above.

Clearly an issue if you are a BBC licence paying UK user with a VPN in
the UK to which this is relevant.

Not entering into the debate about inside/outside UK etc which is indeed
off topic.

B. Rgds
John



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A VPN will have a stable IP address - yours will only have a few 
accesses to iplayer. An 'open' VPN will have many more. This will point 
it out as a possible access point from abroad and a little research will 
show it up as suspicious.

Tom

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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[CJB]

Thank you George.

Also I do know that many friends are ex-pats living overseas in warmer
climes over the British winter. They are all BBC licence fee payers.
They have now been cut off from accessing what they have already paid
in advance for - use of iPlayer.

How are they stealing programmes from the BBC?

BTW it is not generally realised that the BBC is highly commercial
overseas. The World Service has commercials and adverts on both its
t.v. and radio channels.

So why is the revenue from those commercials not supporting overseas
access to iPlayer?

CJB

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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[John Crisp]

On 09/10/15 11:59, CJB wrote:
> https://www.vpncompare.co.uk/bbc-iplayer-cracks-down-and-blocks-vpn-users/
> 

On an entirely technical point it is clearly not all VPNs - I have just
tested with 2 different ones that I can use and neither are currently
blocked.

Both are VPNs with endpoints I control and are not through commercial
services. So perhaps they are just targeting the major VPN providers
such as the one mentioned above.

Clearly an issue if you are a BBC licence paying UK user with a VPN in
the UK to which this is relevant.

Not entering into the debate about inside/outside UK etc which is indeed
off topic.

B. Rgds
John



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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[michael norman]

On 09/10/15 11:33, George Eycott wrote:

Although get_iplayer is not intended to bypass geographical restrictions,
the news does explain why some people are getting the error messages that
they have been seeing (bear in mind some people may be using a VPN from
within the UK). They may have thought it was a get_iplayer issue whereas in
fact it isn't, I see it as a helpful bit of information myself... It is far
more on topic than some of the emails that have been sent through here about
web design!


So the point here is what. I pay the BBC license fee and am happy to do so.

If people outside of UK who do not pay the license fee are getting BBC 
content for nothing via a VPN or anything else they are stealing stuff I 
pay for.


The BBC and all who support it are right to take action to preserve the 
service for those who pay for it. There are enough threats to the BBC as 
it is.


If using a VPN in UK is blocking GIP or iPlayer or anything else surely 
the solution is in the configuration of the VPN ?


M






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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[Alan Milewczyk]

On 09/10/2015 12:09, CJB wrote:

Thank you George.

Also I do know that many friends are ex-pats living overseas in warmer
climes over the British winter. They are all BBC licence fee payers.
They have now been cut off from accessing what they have already paid
in advance for - use of iPlayer.

I am in that very situation, CJB and I am MORE than happy to be paying 
my licence fee for the excellent output from the BBC. Irrespective of 
whether the original posting was on or off-topic I'm pleased to be made 
aware of a restriction in accessibility and grateful to you for doing so.


A

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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[Jim web]

In article ,
Fearghas
Mckay  wrote:


> > On 9 Oct 2015, at 07:32, George Eycott  wrote:
> > 
> > I agree - was not suggesting otherwise. Though the overseas and VPN
> > part of your statement is irrelevant. If people do not pay the license
> > fee and get BBC stuff for nothing they are stealing stuff we pay for.
> > Don't care where they are or how they do it.

> So as a UK resident who can't receive TV so I don't pay for a TV licence
> you think I should be regarded as a thief ? nice... Perhaps you should
> check the current legal situation of the licence fee before accusing
> folk of stealing.

Perhaps in return you should admit it is questionable that you can access
what you don't pay for. That might be fairer than semantic arguments about
the use of words like "strealing".

> And then perhaps stay on topic on the list ?

Indeed. If people want to argue about this, do it via your MPs or MEPs or
MSPs, or whoever the relevant politicians may be for you. Get the rules
changed so they make more sense. But as things stand the BBC are under
financial pressure, etc, to prevent people accessing UK broadcast material
from outwith the UK. And a failure to deal with it would cost fee payers
more, and/or result in a reduction in what can be obtained for the given
amount.

Jim

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