Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-26 Thread Steve Wilson
I suspect I caused a bit of confusion, perhaps I should have altered the 
subject to reflect the trangression from the original question.


Don's response mentioned using the series pid and recursive option to 
follow a series, as I've a simple search for "click" it could be prone 
to picking up anything with click in the title so was interested in 
switching my pvr configs over.
I also had "the repair shop" in my pvr and discovered the fixing britain 
series due to it matching, this was probably a good thing as they were 
also interesting to watch even if a lot of the content was the same it 
added some general history but that's going off topic ;)


Steve

On 26/04/2021 17:50, George Eycott wrote:

Ah fair enough, I was just a bit thrown as to why you would need/want to
exclude a load of channels when you have specified a PID, but it sounds like
they are probably the defaults for your web PVR and get_iplayer has copied
them to the pvr file.


-Original Message-
From: get_iplayer  On Behalf Of
Don Grunbaum
Sent: 26 April 2021 17:00
To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?

I'm not sure that you've followed the thread fully, George.

Your search will pick up "The Repair Shop" programmes in the cache, no
problem. The original question (from Steve Wilson) is about picking up
programmes that are not in the cache, but available on iPlayer, such as

"box

sets" and those broadcast through the "red button" or the iPlayer itself,

like

the Formula E races.

Admittedly in my example only two or three of the lines are essential -

pid,

pidrecursive, and output (if you don't want all downloads going to the

same

folder).

The others are put there by the "web interface" as they are my default
options.

I hope that's clear.

Don

- Original Message -
From: George Eycott 
To: 
Sent: 26/04/2021 09:10:21
Subject: RE: Why no Formula E?
__
__

Wow, that seems complex, mine is just:

search0 The Repair Shop

Works fine for me!


-Original Message-
From: get_iplayer  On Behalf
Of Don Grunbaum
Sent: 26 April 2021 08:41
To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?

As an example, this is my file for "The Repair Shop":



==

==
excludecategory children,primary
excludechannel
alba,cymru,news,s4c,cbbc,cbeebies,parliament,bbcthree,northern
ireland,wales pid b08l581p modes best output V:\BBC iPlayer
Recordings\The Repair Shop subtitles 1 thumb 0 type tv versionlist
default pidrecursive 1


==

==

Obviously some of your settings will differ. I also use a .txt suffix
on

all my pvr

files as it makes them easier to edit.

ATB

Don

- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wilson 
To: 
Sent: 25/04/2021 22:20:06
Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?


__

__


On 25/04/2021 13:47, Don Grunbaum wrote:

I believe that only programmes that are broadcast through the

"regular"

channels appear in the GiP cache.

To pick up others such as these and "box sets" you should use the
series

pid and the recursive option.

HTH

Don

...

Would this be more reliable for other series too? For example having
"search0 Click" for pvr can match other things too so I've other
options

and

excludes.

Do you have an example or link I can use to configure pvr to do this?

Steve.


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Re: OT: Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-26 Thread Chris Woods




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On 2021-04-26 08:07, David Taylor wrote:

On 25/04/2021 19:52, Andrew wrote:

A bit behind the times are we?

Pit stops haven't happened since season 4 following the introduction 
of

the Gen2 cars. Races are 45min + 1 lap with the same car.


That was a welcome improvement, but they are still stuck with too many
gimmicks for me, "fan-boost", being able to drive over different bits
of the track to get more energy, and so forth.  Seems more like dodgem
racing at times!

The coverage is too variable.  One race it's live from the BBC studio
(in London), anther it's listed as live (on the iPlayer) but it isn't.

The Extreme-E seems purer racing.

  https://www.extreme-e.com/


Yeah, agreed on the discontinuity of coverage, I'd prefer every round to 
have a full studio show. I think it's a combination of rights, 
scheduling and budget. At least we get everything, unlike some other 
countries' broadcasters.


The studio shows have come from Quay House in Salford. Round 3 (Rome) on 
the 10th came from a new VR set.

(https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p09d68yc/formula-e-2021-round-three-rome-uninterrupted)

I personally enjoy the two Attack Modes per race rule, it adds another 
element of risk for the drivers - do they do a double-use and try to 
leapfrog to the front and hold on until the end? Do they conserve energy 
and wait until everyone else is struggling towards the end, then go for 
some overtakes? Or do they risk it in changeable weather conditions?


I also like some of the tech used for the programme. The attack mode 
floor arrows are a small element but they're being tracked and 
composited through 3D in real time using what's apparently a normal TV 
camera. At least in 2019 (and presumably still now) it was done with the 
Ncam product, which uses stereo tracking cameras that can track through 
free space, mounted on the main camera. I played with Ncam briefly in 
2019, it's clever tech.


The wider variety of camera angles is cool. Like IndyCar, we get 
Driver's Eye (very nice) and other shots you don't normally see in F1.


Extreme E also had some fabulous shots for Round 2, they have four 
drones I believe? They must be hexacopters or large quads with quality 
IS. Some of the shots they were getting were mighty impressive.


Unfortunately only four rounds for XE this year, and the format felt a 
little tentative and dragged a bit for the first weekend. Hopefully 
Round 2 will come out the gates swinging when they can revert to the 
original format. I'm looking forward to more WRX style rallycross 
frantic head to heads, not every race split with three cars and big gaps 
between sessions (necessitated due to the Saudi Arabia sand and dust: 
https://dirtfish.com/off-road/extreme-e/dust-concerns-force-major-extreme-e-format-change/ 
)


Next Extreme E is on the 29th: 
https://www.extreme-e.com/en/race-calendar


* this is a nice chase drone vid from a pre-season shoot if you don't 
mind his narration style - 
https://www.reddit.com/r/motorsports/comments/m82wdb/extreme_e_fpv_drone_pilot_commentates_over_shot/


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RE: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-26 Thread George Eycott
Ah fair enough, I was just a bit thrown as to why you would need/want to
exclude a load of channels when you have specified a PID, but it sounds like
they are probably the defaults for your web PVR and get_iplayer has copied
them to the pvr file.

> -Original Message-
> From: get_iplayer  On Behalf Of
> Don Grunbaum
> Sent: 26 April 2021 17:00
> To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
> Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?
> 
> I'm not sure that you've followed the thread fully, George.
> 
> Your search will pick up "The Repair Shop" programmes in the cache, no
> problem. The original question (from Steve Wilson) is about picking up
> programmes that are not in the cache, but available on iPlayer, such as
"box
> sets" and those broadcast through the "red button" or the iPlayer itself,
like
> the Formula E races.
> 
> Admittedly in my example only two or three of the lines are essential -
pid,
> pidrecursive, and output (if you don't want all downloads going to the
same
> folder).
> 
> The others are put there by the "web interface" as they are my default
> options.
> 
> I hope that's clear.
> 
> Don
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: George Eycott 
> To: 
> Sent: 26/04/2021 09:10:21
> Subject: RE: Why no Formula E?
> __
> __
> 
> Wow, that seems complex, mine is just:
> 
> search0 The Repair Shop
> 
> Works fine for me!
> 
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: get_iplayer  On Behalf
> > Of Don Grunbaum
> > Sent: 26 April 2021 08:41
> > To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
> > Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?
> >
> > As an example, this is my file for "The Repair Shop":
> >
> >
> ==
> > ==
> > excludecategory children,primary
> > excludechannel
> > alba,cymru,news,s4c,cbbc,cbeebies,parliament,bbcthree,northern
> > ireland,wales pid b08l581p modes best output V:\BBC iPlayer
> > Recordings\The Repair Shop subtitles 1 thumb 0 type tv versionlist
> > default pidrecursive 1
> >
> ==
> > ==
> >
> > Obviously some of your settings will differ. I also use a .txt suffix
> > on
> all my pvr
> > files as it makes them easier to edit.
> >
> > ATB
> >
> > Don
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Steve Wilson 
> > To: 
> > Sent: 25/04/2021 22:20:06
> > Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?
> >
> __
> > __
> >
> >
> > On 25/04/2021 13:47, Don Grunbaum wrote:
> > > I believe that only programmes that are broadcast through the
"regular"
> > channels appear in the GiP cache.
> > >
> > > To pick up others such as these and "box sets" you should use the
> > > series
> > pid and the recursive option.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Don
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Would this be more reliable for other series too? For example having
> > "search0 Click" for pvr can match other things too so I've other
> > options
> and
> > excludes.
> >
> > Do you have an example or link I can use to configure pvr to do this?
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> >
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Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-26 Thread Don Grunbaum
I'm not sure that you've followed the thread fully, George.

Your search will pick up "The Repair Shop" programmes in the cache, no problem. 
The original question (from Steve Wilson) is about picking up programmes that 
are not in the cache, but available on iPlayer, such as "box sets" and those 
broadcast through the "red button" or the iPlayer itself, like the Formula E 
races.

Admittedly in my example only two or three of the lines are essential - pid, 
pidrecursive, and output (if you don't want all downloads going to the same 
folder). 

The others are put there by the "web interface" as they are my default options.

I hope that's clear.

Don

- Original Message -
From: George Eycott 
To: 
Sent: 26/04/2021 09:10:21
Subject: RE: Why no Formula E?


Wow, that seems complex, mine is just:

search0 The Repair Shop

Works fine for me!

> -Original Message-
> From: get_iplayer  On Behalf Of
> Don Grunbaum
> Sent: 26 April 2021 08:41
> To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
> Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?
> 
> As an example, this is my file for "The Repair Shop":
> 
> ==
> ==
> excludecategory children,primary
> excludechannel
> alba,cymru,news,s4c,cbbc,cbeebies,parliament,bbcthree,northern
> ireland,wales pid b08l581p modes best output V:\BBC iPlayer Recordings\The
> Repair Shop subtitles 1 thumb 0 type tv versionlist default pidrecursive 1
> ==
> ==
> 
> Obviously some of your settings will differ. I also use a .txt suffix on
all my pvr
> files as it makes them easier to edit.
> 
> ATB
> 
> Don
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Steve Wilson 
> To: 
> Sent: 25/04/2021 22:20:06
> Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?
> __
> __
> 
> 
> On 25/04/2021 13:47, Don Grunbaum wrote:
> > I believe that only programmes that are broadcast through the "regular"
> channels appear in the GiP cache.
> >
> > To pick up others such as these and "box sets" you should use the series
> pid and the recursive option.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Don
> 
> ...
> 
> Would this be more reliable for other series too? For example having
> "search0 Click" for pvr can match other things too so I've other options
and
> excludes.
> 
> Do you have an example or link I can use to configure pvr to do this?
> 
> Steve.
> 
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Re: OT: Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-26 Thread David Taylor

On 25/04/2021 19:52, Andrew wrote:

A bit behind the times are we?

Pit stops haven't happened since season 4 following the introduction of
the Gen2 cars. Races are 45min + 1 lap with the same car.


That was a welcome improvement, but they are still stuck with too many 
gimmicks for me, "fan-boost", being able to drive over different bits of 
the track to get more energy, and so forth.  Seems more like dodgem 
racing at times!


The coverage is too variable.  One race it's live from the BBC studio 
(in London), anther it's listed as live (on the iPlayer) but it isn't.


The Extreme-E seems purer racing.

  https://www.extreme-e.com/

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RE: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-26 Thread George Eycott
Wow, that seems complex, mine is just:

search0 The Repair Shop

Works fine for me!

> -Original Message-
> From: get_iplayer  On Behalf Of
> Don Grunbaum
> Sent: 26 April 2021 08:41
> To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
> Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?
> 
> As an example, this is my file for "The Repair Shop":
> 
> ==
> ==
> excludecategory children,primary
> excludechannel
> alba,cymru,news,s4c,cbbc,cbeebies,parliament,bbcthree,northern
> ireland,wales pid b08l581p modes best output V:\BBC iPlayer Recordings\The
> Repair Shop subtitles 1 thumb 0 type tv versionlist default pidrecursive 1
> ==
> ==
> 
> Obviously some of your settings will differ. I also use a .txt suffix on
all my pvr
> files as it makes them easier to edit.
> 
> ATB
> 
> Don
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: Steve Wilson 
> To: 
> Sent: 25/04/2021 22:20:06
> Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?
> __
> __
> 
> 
> On 25/04/2021 13:47, Don Grunbaum wrote:
> > I believe that only programmes that are broadcast through the "regular"
> channels appear in the GiP cache.
> >
> > To pick up others such as these and "box sets" you should use the series
> pid and the recursive option.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Don
> 
> ...
> 
> Would this be more reliable for other series too? For example having
> "search0 Click" for pvr can match other things too so I've other options
and
> excludes.
> 
> Do you have an example or link I can use to configure pvr to do this?
> 
> Steve.
> 
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Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-26 Thread Don Grunbaum
As an example, this is my file for "The Repair Shop":


excludecategory children,primary
excludechannel alba,cymru,news,s4c,cbbc,cbeebies,parliament,bbcthree,northern 
ireland,wales
pid b08l581p
modes best
output V:\BBC iPlayer Recordings\The Repair Shop
subtitles 1
thumb 0
type tv
versionlist default
pidrecursive 1


Obviously some of your settings will differ. I also use a .txt suffix on all my 
pvr files as it makes them easier to edit.

ATB

Don

- Original Message -
From: Steve Wilson 
To: 
Sent: 25/04/2021 22:20:06
Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?



On 25/04/2021 13:47, Don Grunbaum wrote:
> I believe that only programmes that are broadcast through the "regular" 
> channels appear in the GiP cache.
>
> To pick up others such as these and "box sets" you should use the series pid 
> and the recursive option.
>
> HTH
>
> Don

...

Would this be more reliable for other series too? For example having 
"search0 Click" for pvr can match other things too so I've other options 
and excludes.

Do you have an example or link I can use to configure pvr to do this?

Steve.


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Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Owen Smith
No-one can mimic Murray Walker, and trying to do so is a mistake. Commentators 
should find their own style.

-- 
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Cambridge, UK

> On 25 Apr 2021, at 23:19, Chris Woods  wrote:
> 
> Jack Nicholls and Dario Franchitti don't just scream into the mic like Crofty 
> does at each race start, trying to mimic Murray Walker.


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Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Chris Woods

On 2021-04-25 19:09, Peter S Kirk wrote:

On 25 Apr 2021 at 13:10, Jim web Jim web  wrote:


The problem being unknown unknowns


Another unkown is why anyone watches - pit stop changeover is a joke


You'll be happy to hear that's not a thing since the Gen2 car went into 
service for 2020 season. The Gen2 car is way nicer than the Gen1, and 
the Gen3/'Gen2 EVO' has some interesting changes to aero and so on but 
was delayed by the production halt at Dallara thanks to Covid.


Formula E were in a tough spot when the original bidders for the Gen1 
car failed to deliver, the collaborative effort turned out pretty well 
given the constraints.


https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2020/september/world-ev-day-progress
https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/discover/cars-and-technology
https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/watch/video-highlights/highlights/old-vs-new-gen1-vs-gen2

https://motorsport.tech/formula-e/gen3-formula-es-big-step-into-unchartered-territory
https://motorsport.tech/formula-e/when-will-we-see-you-again-formula-es-delayed-gen2evo-machine-analysed

It's surprisingly fun to watch. No tyre warmers, ostensibly all-weather 
road car tyres, a wide range of drivers with abilities from different 
disciplines results in a curious mix of tactics, mindgames, precision 
driving, lift and coast for regen and flat out attack. Safety cars can 
produce some hilarious, exciting or unexpected results (e.g. Valencia 
yesterday!)


Whereas F1 at the moment is usually a "who will follow Hamilton over the 
finish line", Formula E can throw up some real curveballs. Even 
qualifying performance can be wildly different between rounds. I love 
hearing all the tyre squeal, transmission whine and crunch of carbon 
fibre as someone does a full send into an impossible overtake :D


TV presentation is fairly engaging, presenters are enthusiastic and fans 
of the sport, plus race commentators Jack Nicholls and Dario Franchitti 
don't just scream into the mic like Crofty does at each race start, 
trying to mimic Murray Walker. Overall programme length feels nice, 
unlike the hours of exposition around the F1 races. Sometimes you get 
nice guest pundits like Mark Webber showing up too.


If you haven't watched for a while, give it a try :) The latest rounds 
are on the iPlayer, a Valencia double-header. The first one was quite 
controversial...


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Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Steve Wilson



On 25/04/2021 13:47, Don Grunbaum wrote:

I believe that only programmes that are broadcast through the "regular" 
channels appear in the GiP cache.

To pick up others such as these and "box sets" you should use the series pid 
and the recursive option.

HTH

Don


...

Would this be more reliable for other series too? For example having 
"search0 Click" for pvr can match other things too so I've other options 
and excludes.


Do you have an example or link I can use to configure pvr to do this?

Steve.


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Re: OT: Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Peter S Kirk
On 25 Apr 2021 at 19:52, Andrew Andrew  wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:09:15 +0100
> "Peter S Kirk"  wrote:
> 
> > On 25 Apr 2021 at 13:10, Jim web Jim web  wrote:
> >
> > > The problem being unknown unknowns
> >
> > Another unkown is why anyone watches - pit stop changeover is a joke
> >
> A bit behind the times are we?
> 
> Pit stops haven't happened since season 4 following the introduction of
> the Gen2 cars. Races are 45min + 1 lap with the same car.

Andrew and Graham Lunn, thanks. I will give it another look


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OT: Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Andrew
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:09:15 +0100
"Peter S Kirk"  wrote:

> On 25 Apr 2021 at 13:10, Jim web Jim web  wrote:
>
> > The problem being unknown unknowns
>
> Another unkown is why anyone watches - pit stop changeover is a joke
>
>

A bit behind the times are we?

Pit stops haven't happened since season 4 following the introduction of
the Gen2 cars. Races are 45min + 1 lap with the same car.
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Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Peter S Kirk
On 25 Apr 2021 at 13:10, Jim web Jim web  wrote:

> The problem being unknown unknowns

Another unkown is why anyone watches - pit stop changeover is a joke



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Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread michael norman



On 25/04/2021 13:10, Jim web wrote:

The problem being unknown unknowns.
Jim


If only we knew a little about those.

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Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Jim web
In article <20210425122922.1e96c...@andrew.woodwards.com>, Andrew
 wrote:

> Searching for "formula" on the iPlayer website finds eight matches. All
> of them except for the above one were only broadcast via the BBC sport
> webpage. Maybe that is why they don't show up?

I tend to find programmes of interest by looking at the 'schedules' pages
for the channels as broadcast. But is there a sensible arranged
list/catalogue of the programmes that are 'podcasted, etc' but not actually
during the last few weeks - so aren't findable via the back-schedules of
recent weeks?

I have found various old series, etc, that popped up on iplayer. But this
has been a mix of accident and 'one thing leads to another'. Not any form
of index or catalogue. The problem being unknown unknowns.

Jim

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Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Don Grunbaum
I believe that only programmes that are broadcast through the "regular" 
channels appear in the GiP cache.

To pick up others such as these and "box sets" you should use the series pid 
and the recursive option.

HTH

Don

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From: Andrew 
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Sent: 25/04/2021 12:29:22
Subject: Re: Why no Formula E?


On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:52:10 +0100
Chris Walker  wrote:

> I have a PVR search saved for 'Formula E' but it's not picking it up
> and says that there are no matches. But if I do --info against a PID
> for the latest round it shows it.
> 
> I wondered if I had excluded it but my refreshexclude line looks like
> this :- CBBC,CBeebies,audiodescribed,signed
> 
> I've even tried specifying the channel as sport but still it doesn't
> find it. Where am I going wrong?
> 


Just searched for "formula" and get_iplayer finds one match:

INFO: Indexing tv programmes (concurrent)
..
INFO: Added 20 tv programmes to cache
Matches:
1184: Formula E: 2021 - Round Three - Rome, BBC Two, m000v5hn
INFO: 1 matching programmes

Searching for "formula" on the iPlayer website finds eight matches. All
of them except for the above one were only broadcast via the BBC sport
webpage. Maybe that is why they don't show up?


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Re: Why no Formula E?

2021-04-25 Thread Andrew
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:52:10 +0100
Chris Walker  wrote:

> I have a PVR search saved for 'Formula E' but it's not picking it up
> and says that there are no matches. But if I do --info against a PID
> for the latest round it shows it.
> 
> I wondered if I had excluded it but my refreshexclude line looks like
> this :- CBBC,CBeebies,audiodescribed,signed
> 
> I've even tried specifying the channel as sport but still it doesn't
> find it. Where am I going wrong?
> 


Just searched for "formula" and get_iplayer finds one match:

INFO: Indexing tv programmes (concurrent)
..
INFO: Added 20 tv programmes to cache
Matches:
1184:   Formula E: 2021 - Round Three - Rome, BBC Two, m000v5hn
INFO: 1 matching programmes

Searching for "formula" on the iPlayer website finds eight matches. All
of them except for the above one were only broadcast via the BBC sport
webpage. Maybe that is why they don't show up?


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Andrew Woodward

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