Hi Austin,
Can you add Mark’s OS X bindists to https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/, please?
7.10.1-rc2:
http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/platform/ghc-7.10.0.20150123-x86_64-apple-darwin.tar.bz2
(404)
https://halcyon.global.ssl.fastly.net/original/ghc-7.10.0.20150123-x86_64-apple-darwin.tar.bz2
We don’t put API changes in minor releases, only bugfixes.
I think you’d be better arguing for an early release of 7.12. Which might be a
fine thing
Simon
From: ghc-devs [mailto:ghc-devs-boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Snoyman
Sent: 23 March 2015 11:49
To: ghc-devs@haskell.org
Hey mark,
How do you get the ghc docs built successfully on os x? I've tried to
replicate you buildsteps but docbook hits a failure when tryingto download
some remote file.
Many thanks
On Mar 22, 2015 10:13 PM, Mark Lentczner mark.lentcz...@gmail.com wrote:
I've gone ahead and built a very
On 23 March 2015 at 15:01, Mark Lentczner mark.lentcz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Simon Peyton Jones simo...@microsoft.com
wrote:
Like Richard, I was astonished by this. I always thought that the
Haskell Platform was the route of choice to install GHC, together
with
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Gershom B gersh...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the current language on the page was rather balanced?
It leads any user away from the Platfrom:
- From the homepage
- Downloads from the top bar
- First links are three OS links, click any one
-
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Simon Peyton Jones simo...@microsoft.com
wrote:
But time has passed and it hasn't happened. Is this because I'm
misunderstanding? Or because it is harder than I think? Or because there
are much bigger problems? Or because there is insufficient effort
On Mar 23, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Christopher Done chrisd...@gmail.com wrote:
Someone added this text:
Many now recommend just using a bare compiler combined with sandboxed
dependencies, especially for new users. However, others prefer to
start with the curated blessed set of packages in
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:53 AM Simon Peyton Jones simo...@microsoft.com
wrote:
It's already a huge source of confusion for people using GHCi what they
get messages about ByteString is not ByteString.
Reading your blog post [1] it seems that we are addressing different
questions:
·
On March 23, 2015 at 10:02:11 AM, Mark Lentczner (mark.lentcz...@gmail.com)
wrote:
I do too...! But follow the new Haskell.org pages like you are a user just
want to install Haskell... you'll never end up with the Platform.
It looks like the Platform deprecated on the Haskell.org site for
I’m asking because until these archives appear on haskell.org, your server is
the closest to a canonical location.
Halcyon references the canonical locations of GHC and cabal-install archives,
in case a cautious user doesn’t want to use the builds I’ve prepared:
An OS X build of GHC 7.10.1-rc3 is now available, courtesy of Mark Lentczner.
This is in addition to the GHC 7.8.4 and 7.10.1-rc2 builds Mark has made
available on February 2. Thanks, Mark.
GHC 7.8.4 for OS X can already be downloaded from haskell.org, even though it’s
not mentioned on the
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:20 AM, Thomas Miedema thomasmied...@gmail.com
wrote:
From the downloads https://www.haskell.org/ghc/download_ghc_7_8_4 page
on the GHC homepage:
Alas, that warning has never been effective. But it is moot anyway: Start
from the shiny Haskell.org page and see where
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Miëtek Bak mie...@bak.io wrote:
Could you restore the OS X GHC 7.10.1-rc2 bindist?
Didn't think anyone would want it now that we have RC3...
I don't have it on the server anymore, but see you have it mirrored.
Hashes are:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:21 PM Brandon Allbery allber...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Richard Eisenberg e...@cis.upenn.edu
wrote:
- It's always out-of-date. This statement, while true, isn't a direct
indication that something is wrong.
Perception is reality. The
I have no idea what the status of this is or if GHC indeed has all the things
we need. Perhaps Edward could comment.
I’m pretty confident that GHC has all the things needed, and has done since
last summer. It’s Cabal that doesn’t!
But as you say, Edward Y can confirm.
Simon
From: Johan
On 2015-03-22, at 15:59, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com wrote:
2. A method for installing GHC and build tools. I personally think that it
makes sense to separate out this aspect of the platform from all others.
MinGHC is an example of such a project: a minimal set of functionality for
But I'm hazy about why sandboxes are needed at all. As I understand it, they
were invented to solve the very problem that is now solved (if only Cabal could
take advantage of it).
Simon
From: Gershom B gersh...@gmail.com
Sent: 23 March 2015 17:31
To:
If I'm reading this correctly, the proposal then would be to have cabal
automatically hide packages (as oppose to unregister them) to arrive at a world
where all exposed packages are consistent. Extrapolating for the case you
mention above
* if I installed P and then Q, I'd end up with
From the downloads https://www.haskell.org/ghc/download_ghc_7_8_4 page on
the GHC homepage:
Version 7.8.4 (released December 23rd 2014)
Stop!
For most users, we recommend installing the Haskell Platform
http://hackage.haskell.org/platform/ instead of GHC. The current Haskell
Platform release
Dear Cabal developers
You'll probably have seen the thread about the Haskell Platform.
Among other things, this point arose:
| Another thing we should fix is the (now false) impression that HP gets in
| the way of installing other packages and versions due to cabal hell.
People mean
I notice that in the new Haskell pages, the Platform is definitely not the
recommended way to go:
Like Richard, I was astonished by this. I always thought that the Haskell
Platform was the route of choice to install GHC, together with a respectable
set of libraries. It’s certainly what I
Nowadays I use https://github.com/fpco/minghc which can actually
install network, and I've had zero problems.
Can we just include this fix into the platform installers?
Yes. MinGHC was an experiment in seeing if we could do a Windows
installer that worked with Network. We can, so the platform
On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 20:13 +, Simon Peyton Jones wrote:
But I'm hazy about why sandboxes are needed at all. As I understand
it, they were invented to solve the very problem that is now solved
(if only Cabal could take advantage of it).
Yes, the nix approach would subsume sandboxes.
I
On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 09:17 +, Neil Mitchell wrote:
On Windows, the reason I used to use the Platform was that it came
with an installed network library, and installing the network library
on Windows is a real pain (and often fails). Unfortunately it was
incredibly brittle, a single
On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 08:45 +, Simon Peyton Jones wrote:
Dear Cabal developers
You'll probably have seen the thread about the Haskell Platform.
Among other things, this point arose:
| Another thing we should fix is the (now false) impression that HP gets in
| the way of installing
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Simon Peyton Jones
simo...@microsoft.com wrote:
| Another thing we should fix is the (now false) impression that HP gets in
| the way of installing other packages and versions due to cabal hell.
People mean different things by cabal hell, but the inability
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Anthony Cowley acow...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't understand this attitude. You say that neither new users nor package
authors agree with your stance on the HP, so you want to force their hands.
Presumably package authors know what they're doing for themselves,
Richard: The problem isn't the age itself, but rather the compatibility
problems that age introduces. It can be quite difficult as a new user to
get all of the libraries you want to use to play well with the platform.
There's usually a way to make it work if you know what you're doing, but
the
Hi Michael,
I actually tried to adopt this patch into 7.10, because I thought it
was needed for another dependent patch we wanted. Unfortunately, the
backtrace-via-implicit-params patch seems to depend on some prior work
by Simon PJ in the typechecker (-fwarn-redundant-constraints, a rather
large
On 2015-03-23, at 18:13, Andrew Farmer afar...@ittc.ku.edu wrote:
I personally just download the latest bindist from the GHC site and
bootstrap cabal myself. Partly this is because my work requires me to
have the latest GHC, so maybe I'm not in the HP's target demographic.
That said, I would
On Mar 23, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Gershom B gersh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Anthony Cowley acow...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't understand this attitude. You say that neither new users nor package
authors agree with your stance on the HP, so you want to force their
I think the fact that we now have these minimal installers floating
around is evidence that there is demand for that.
I personally just download the latest bindist from the GHC site and
bootstrap cabal myself. Partly this is because my work requires me to
have the latest GHC, so maybe I'm not in
IIRC the patch doesn't directly depend on -fwarn-redundant-constraints,
but I think I ran into some merge conflicts that had to be resolved. I
agree with Austin that backporting it should be doable, and would be
happy to help if there's interest.
Also, I still mean to submit a follow-on patch
On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 22:10 +, Duncan Coutts wrote:
On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 20:13 +, Simon Peyton Jones wrote:
But I'm hazy about why sandboxes are needed at all. As I understand
it, they were invented to solve the very problem that is now solved
(if only Cabal could take advantage
On Sat, 2015-03-21 at 10:54 -0700, Mark Lentczner wrote:
I'm wondering how we are all feeling about the platform these days
I notice that in the new Haskell pages, the Platform is definitely not the
recommended way to go: The main download pages suggests the compiler and
base libraries
Hi All,
A few of us are writing a survey of FP and would like to include some statistic
graphs of Haskell (similar to those found
here:http://galois.com/blog/2009/03/one-million-haskell-downloads/). Does
anyone know how I can obtain such data?
Thank you very much,
Meng
I didn't have that problem with Python or Clojure. I didn't run into
it with Python until I was building enterprise-class systems. I ran
into other issues that made me drop Clojure before I ran into this
one.
Well, it also was standard python practice to monkey patch the libraries to
fix
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