Re: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

[Brandon Allbery]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Simon Peyton Jones 
wrote:

> But then I received it again, yesterday.  The very same message!   I have
> no idea why.  Email is a Mysterious Medium.


I think they restarted the mailing list server; I got that message and a
handful of other messages, which apparently never got cleared from the mail
queue or something. And IIRC shortly before the resends, someone in
#haskell was asking if there were problems with the mailing lists.

(this kind of stuff is why I got out of the business of running mail
servers)

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RE: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

[Simon Peyton Jones]

Ha ha.  You may wonder why I’m replying to a message from four months ago.

Mark’s message was written on 13 Oct 2015, and was delivered to me then. And I 
replied the same day, at rather greater length than below.

But then I received it again, yesterday.  The very same message!   I have no 
idea why.  Email is a Mysterious Medium.

Anyway, thanking Mark twice is something he deserves anyway ☺.

Simon


From: Simon Peyton Jones
Sent: 22 February 2016 11:54
To: 'Mark Lentczner' <mark.lentcz...@gmail.com>
Cc: haskell-platf...@projects.haskell.org; Haskell Libraries 
<librar...@haskell.org>; ghc-devs@haskell.org
Subject: RE: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the 
Platform

Mark

I’m really sorry to see you go.  You have played a key leadership role, and 
have given us a lot of your most precious and inelastic commodity, your own 
time.

Thank you!

Simon

From: 
haskell-platform-boun...@projects.haskell.org<mailto:haskell-platform-boun...@projects.haskell.org>
 [mailto:haskell-platform-boun...@projects.haskell.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
Lentczner
Sent: 13 October 2015 04:09
To: 
haskell-platf...@projects.haskell.org<mailto:haskell-platf...@projects.haskell.org>;
 Haskell Libraries <librar...@haskell.org<mailto:librar...@haskell.org>>; 
ghc-devs@haskell.org<mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org>
Subject: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

I think this is the right time for me to exit:

The truth is, I still can't bring myself to use a version of Haskell post the 
Foldable-Traversable-aPocalypse, let alone some future Haskell after the 
changes now in the works. My personal machines are all still 7.8. My personal 
projects are all pre-FTP. The Haskell I love to code in, the Haskell I'm 
passionate about, the Haskell I've advocated for real world use, and the 
Haskell I like to teach, is 7.8, pre-FTP.

It's not that I'm dead set against change and evolution in a language, or even 
breaking changes. But FTP and beyond are changes that have lost the balance 
that Haskell had between abstraction and clarity, between elaborate and 
practical engineering. I don't see any restraint going forward, so I'm getting 
off the train.

This puts me in an odd position with respect to Haskell Platform: I find myself 
building the Platform for a version of Haskell that I don't use. This isn't 
healthy for either the Platform or me. Hence, I'm resigning as release manager.

I am sad because I believed that Haskell's path to much wider adoption was 
within reach. Now, especially with the ramping up of the Haskell Prime 
committee, which seems preordained to codify FTP and beyond into standard, we 
are approaching our Algol 68 moment: Building a major language revision with 
less opportunity than it's predecessor.

I'll still see you 'round at meet-ups and conferences. I'll just be coding with 
an older accent.

- Mark "mzero" Lentczner

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RE: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

[Simon Peyton Jones]

Mark

I’m really sorry to see you go.  You have played a key leadership role, and 
have given us a lot of your most precious and inelastic commodity, your own 
time.

Thank you!

Simon

From: haskell-platform-boun...@projects.haskell.org 
[mailto:haskell-platform-boun...@projects.haskell.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
Lentczner
Sent: 13 October 2015 04:09
To: haskell-platf...@projects.haskell.org; Haskell Libraries 
<librar...@haskell.org>; ghc-devs@haskell.org
Subject: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

I think this is the right time for me to exit:

The truth is, I still can't bring myself to use a version of Haskell post the 
Foldable-Traversable-aPocalypse, let alone some future Haskell after the 
changes now in the works. My personal machines are all still 7.8. My personal 
projects are all pre-FTP. The Haskell I love to code in, the Haskell I'm 
passionate about, the Haskell I've advocated for real world use, and the 
Haskell I like to teach, is 7.8, pre-FTP.

It's not that I'm dead set against change and evolution in a language, or even 
breaking changes. But FTP and beyond are changes that have lost the balance 
that Haskell had between abstraction and clarity, between elaborate and 
practical engineering. I don't see any restraint going forward, so I'm getting 
off the train.

This puts me in an odd position with respect to Haskell Platform: I find myself 
building the Platform for a version of Haskell that I don't use. This isn't 
healthy for either the Platform or me. Hence, I'm resigning as release manager.

I am sad because I believed that Haskell's path to much wider adoption was 
within reach. Now, especially with the ramping up of the Haskell Prime 
committee, which seems preordained to codify FTP and beyond into standard, we 
are approaching our Algol 68 moment: Building a major language revision with 
less opportunity than it's predecessor.

I'll still see you 'round at meet-ups and conferences. I'll just be coding with 
an older accent.

- Mark "mzero" Lentczner

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Re: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

[Bardur Arantsson]

On 10/13/2015 05:08 AM, Mark Lentczner wrote:
> I think this is the right time for me to exit:
> 

I'm pretty sure that there are many things that we could agree or
disagree on, but *THANK YOU* for your efforts on improving the Haskell
ecosystem and your efforts to spread the word!

Regards,

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Re: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

[Takenobu Tani]

Dear Mark,

Thank you for your efforts.

You've gave us a lot of opportunity to meet haskell.
There are many people on the back side of the firewall.
They can't access over the firewall.
HP, all-in-one and web downloadable package, is very useful for them.

Thanks to you, we were able to enjoy the haskell.

Thank you very much,
Takenobu


2015-10-13 12:08 GMT+09:00 Mark Lentczner :

> I think this is the right time for me to exit:
>
> The truth is, I still can't bring myself to use a version of Haskell post
> the Foldable-Traversable-aPocalypse, let alone some future Haskell after
> the changes now in the works. My personal machines are all still 7.8. My
> personal projects are all pre-FTP. The Haskell I love to code in, the
> Haskell I'm passionate about, the Haskell I've advocated for real world
> use, and the Haskell I like to teach, is 7.8, pre-FTP.
>
> It's not that I'm dead set against change and evolution in a language, or
> even breaking changes. But FTP and beyond are changes that have lost the
> balance that Haskell had between abstraction and clarity, between elaborate
> and practical engineering. I don't see any restraint going forward, so I'm
> getting off the train.
>
> This puts me in an odd position with respect to Haskell Platform: I find
> myself building the Platform for a version of Haskell that I don't use.
> This isn't healthy for either the Platform or me. Hence, I'm resigning as
> release manager.
>
> I am sad because I believed that Haskell's path to much wider adoption was
> within reach. Now, especially with the ramping up of the Haskell Prime
> committee, which seems preordained to codify FTP and beyond into standard,
> we are approaching our Algol 68 moment: Building a major language revision
> with less opportunity than it's predecessor.
>
> I'll still see you 'round at meet-ups and conferences. I'll just be coding
> with an older accent.
>
> - Mark "mzero" Lentczner
>
>
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Re: "Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

[Greg Horn]

Hi Mark,

I know how frustrating and demotivating it can be to be on the dissenting
side of of a change like this. Thanks for all of your contributions to the
community.

Best regards

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015, 06:36 Takenobu Tani  wrote:

> Dear Mark,
>
> Thank you for your efforts.
>
> You've gave us a lot of opportunity to meet haskell.
> There are many people on the back side of the firewall.
> They can't access over the firewall.
> HP, all-in-one and web downloadable package, is very useful for them.
>
> Thanks to you, we were able to enjoy the haskell.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Takenobu
>
>
> 2015-10-13 12:08 GMT+09:00 Mark Lentczner :
>
>> I think this is the right time for me to exit:
>>
>> The truth is, I still can't bring myself to use a version of Haskell post
>> the Foldable-Traversable-aPocalypse, let alone some future Haskell after
>> the changes now in the works. My personal machines are all still 7.8. My
>> personal projects are all pre-FTP. The Haskell I love to code in, the
>> Haskell I'm passionate about, the Haskell I've advocated for real world
>> use, and the Haskell I like to teach, is 7.8, pre-FTP.
>>
>> It's not that I'm dead set against change and evolution in a language, or
>> even breaking changes. But FTP and beyond are changes that have lost the
>> balance that Haskell had between abstraction and clarity, between elaborate
>> and practical engineering. I don't see any restraint going forward, so I'm
>> getting off the train.
>>
>> This puts me in an odd position with respect to Haskell Platform: I find
>> myself building the Platform for a version of Haskell that I don't use.
>> This isn't healthy for either the Platform or me. Hence, I'm resigning as
>> release manager.
>>
>> I am sad because I believed that Haskell's path to much wider adoption
>> was within reach. Now, especially with the ramping up of the Haskell Prime
>> committee, which seems preordained to codify FTP and beyond into standard,
>> we are approaching our Algol 68 moment: Building a major language revision
>> with less opportunity than it's predecessor.
>>
>> I'll still see you 'round at meet-ups and conferences. I'll just be
>> coding with an older accent.
>>
>> - Mark "mzero" Lentczner
>>
>>
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"Excuse me, I think this i my stop..." - Resigning from the Platform

[Mark Lentczner]

I think this is the right time for me to exit:

The truth is, I still can't bring myself to use a version of Haskell post
the Foldable-Traversable-aPocalypse, let alone some future Haskell after
the changes now in the works. My personal machines are all still 7.8. My
personal projects are all pre-FTP. The Haskell I love to code in, the
Haskell I'm passionate about, the Haskell I've advocated for real world
use, and the Haskell I like to teach, is 7.8, pre-FTP.

It's not that I'm dead set against change and evolution in a language, or
even breaking changes. But FTP and beyond are changes that have lost the
balance that Haskell had between abstraction and clarity, between elaborate
and practical engineering. I don't see any restraint going forward, so I'm
getting off the train.

This puts me in an odd position with respect to Haskell Platform: I find
myself building the Platform for a version of Haskell that I don't use.
This isn't healthy for either the Platform or me. Hence, I'm resigning as
release manager.

I am sad because I believed that Haskell's path to much wider adoption was
within reach. Now, especially with the ramping up of the Haskell Prime
committee, which seems preordained to codify FTP and beyond into standard,
we are approaching our Algol 68 moment: Building a major language revision
with less opportunity than it's predecessor.

I'll still see you 'round at meet-ups and conferences. I'll just be coding
with an older accent.

- Mark "mzero" Lentczner
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