Re: GHC staus

[Manuel M T Chakravarty]

I’ll only arrive Wednesday during the day, so maybe sometime second half of the 
week?

> Moritz Angermann :
> 
> I'm around all week. I actually do have remote ghci on my todo list ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
>  Moritz
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 4 Sep 2017, at 11:21 AM, Simon Marlow  > wrote:
> 
>> I have a vested interest in the cross-compilation story because it's very 
>> related to Remote GHCi, so I'd love to join in if you have a discussion 
>> about that :)
>> 
>> On 4 September 2017 at 11:16, Manuel M T Chakravarty > > wrote:
>> +1 for a lighting talk on that! (You can tell the organisers that ;)
>> 
>> Also, we should make sure to meet and talk about cross-compilation and GHC 
>> for iOS :)
>> 
>> Manuel
>> 
>>> Moritz Angermann >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> not sure if this is noteworthy:
>>> 
>>> The following is or will hopefully make(*) it
>>> into 8.4 as well
>>> 
>>> - (1) iserv-remote (run iserv on a remote device over the network)
>>> - (2) arm / aarch64 linker for elf and mach-o
>>> - (3*) `-staticlib` support for Linux and BSD derivatives (was darwin 
>>> only): 
>>> - (4*) `-llvmng` new llvm bitcode code gen
>>> - (5*) refactored llvm pipeline
>>> 
>>> This essentially is all part of making GHC natively
>>> support cross compiling (including support for Template Haskell) to 
>>> android/iOS/RaspberryPi.
>>> 
>>> I hope to give a lighting talk around those, if I get a slot.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Moritz
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 4 Sep 2017, at 8:01 AM, Iavor Diatchki >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 Trevor Elliott and I have been slowly working on implementing Simon M's  
 "Mutable Constructor Fields" proposal [1].
 
 The current state of the code is here:
 https://github.com/yav/ghc/tree/wip/mutable-fields 
 
 
 I am not sure if this would be ready in time for 8.4 as I don't know what 
 the time-line looks like, and also, the actual proposal is still in the 
 process of being reviewed by the GHC committee.
 
 -Iavor 
 
 [1] 
 https://github.com/simonmar/ghc-proposals/blob/mutable-fields/proposals/-mutable-fields.rst
  
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs 
 > wrote:
 Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
 
 I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell 
 Implementor’s meeting.
 
 Usually we have
 
 Current status (current release)
 What’s cooking for the next release
 GHC community comments
 As background we have
 
 Our Apr 17 status page 
 Our 8.2 release notes 
 
 Our 8.4 status page 
 
 What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
 
 
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Re: GHC staus

[Moritz Angermann]

I'm around all week. I actually do have remote ghci on my todo list ;-)

Cheers,
 Moritz
Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Sep 2017, at 11:21 AM, Simon Marlow  wrote:
> 
> I have a vested interest in the cross-compilation story because it's very 
> related to Remote GHCi, so I'd love to join in if you have a discussion about 
> that :)
> 
>> On 4 September 2017 at 11:16, Manuel M T Chakravarty  
>> wrote:
>> +1 for a lighting talk on that! (You can tell the organisers that ;)
>> 
>> Also, we should make sure to meet and talk about cross-compilation and GHC 
>> for iOS :)
>> 
>> Manuel
>> 
>>> Moritz Angermann :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> not sure if this is noteworthy:
>>> 
>>> The following is or will hopefully make(*) it
>>> into 8.4 as well
>>> 
>>> - (1) iserv-remote (run iserv on a remote device over the network)
>>> - (2) arm / aarch64 linker for elf and mach-o
>>> - (3*) `-staticlib` support for Linux and BSD derivatives (was darwin 
>>> only): 
>>> - (4*) `-llvmng` new llvm bitcode code gen
>>> - (5*) refactored llvm pipeline
>>> 
>>> This essentially is all part of making GHC natively
>>> support cross compiling (including support for Template Haskell) to 
>>> android/iOS/RaspberryPi.
>>> 
>>> I hope to give a lighting talk around those, if I get a slot.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Moritz
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4 Sep 2017, at 8:01 AM, Iavor Diatchki  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Trevor Elliott and I have been slowly working on implementing Simon M's  
 "Mutable Constructor Fields" proposal [1].
 
 The current state of the code is here:
 https://github.com/yav/ghc/tree/wip/mutable-fields
 
 I am not sure if this would be ready in time for 8.4 as I don't know what 
 the time-line looks like, and also, the actual proposal is still in the 
 process of being reviewed by the GHC committee.
 
 -Iavor 
 
 [1] 
 https://github.com/simonmar/ghc-proposals/blob/mutable-fields/proposals/-mutable-fields.rst
 
 
 
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs 
>  wrote:
> Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
> 
> I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell 
> Implementor’s meeting.
> 
> Usually we have
> 
> Current status (current release)
> What’s cooking for the next release
> GHC community comments
> As background we have
> 
> Our Apr 17 status page
> Our 8.2 release notes
> Our 8.4 status page
> What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
> 
> 
> Simon
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Re: GHC staus

[Simon Marlow]

One thing for 8.4: there have been a series of performance improvements in
ghc --make and GHCi, with some quite dramatic improvements on very large
programs (1K+ modules). Bartosz can supply more details.

On 3 September 2017 at 14:15, Simon Peyton Jones 
wrote:

> Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
>
> I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell
> Implementor’s meeting.
>
> Usually we have
>
>1. Current status (current release)
>2. What’s cooking for the next release
>3. GHC community comments
>
> As background we have
>
>- Our Apr 17 status page
>
>- Our 8.2 release notes
>
> 
>- Our 8.4 status page
>
>
> What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
>
> Simon
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Re: GHC staus

[Ara Adkins]

I’m definitely interested in hearing more about cross compilation for iOS. 
Might actually make an idea I’ve had brewing into something feasible! 

_ara

> On 4 Sep 2017, at 11:16, Manuel M T Chakravarty  wrote:
> 
> +1 for a lighting talk on that! (You can tell the organisers that ;)
> 
> Also, we should make sure to meet and talk about cross-compilation and GHC 
> for iOS :)
> 
> Manuel
> 
>> Moritz Angermann :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> not sure if this is noteworthy:
>> 
>> The following is or will hopefully make(*) it
>> into 8.4 as well
>> 
>> - (1) iserv-remote (run iserv on a remote device over the network)
>> - (2) arm / aarch64 linker for elf and mach-o
>> - (3*) `-staticlib` support for Linux and BSD derivatives (was darwin only): 
>> - (4*) `-llvmng` new llvm bitcode code gen
>> - (5*) refactored llvm pipeline
>> 
>> This essentially is all part of making GHC natively
>> support cross compiling (including support for Template Haskell) to 
>> android/iOS/RaspberryPi.
>> 
>> I hope to give a lighting talk around those, if I get a slot.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>>  Moritz
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 Sep 2017, at 8:01 AM, Iavor Diatchki  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Trevor Elliott and I have been slowly working on implementing Simon M's  
>>> "Mutable Constructor Fields" proposal [1].
>>> 
>>> The current state of the code is here:
>>> https://github.com/yav/ghc/tree/wip/mutable-fields
>>> 
>>> I am not sure if this would be ready in time for 8.4 as I don't know what 
>>> the time-line looks like, and also, the actual proposal is still in the 
>>> process of being reviewed by the GHC committee.
>>> 
>>> -Iavor 
>>> 
>>> [1] 
>>> https://github.com/simonmar/ghc-proposals/blob/mutable-fields/proposals/-mutable-fields.rst
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs 
  wrote:
 Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
 
 I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell 
 Implementor’s meeting.
 
 Usually we have
 
 Current status (current release)
 What’s cooking for the next release
 GHC community comments
 As background we have
 
 Our Apr 17 status page
 Our 8.2 release notes
 Our 8.4 status page
 What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
 
 
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Re: GHC staus

[Simon Marlow]

I have a vested interest in the cross-compilation story because it's very
related to Remote GHCi, so I'd love to join in if you have a discussion
about that :)

On 4 September 2017 at 11:16, Manuel M T Chakravarty 
wrote:

> +1 for a lighting talk on that! (You can tell the organisers that ;)
>
> Also, we should make sure to meet and talk about cross-compilation and GHC
> for iOS :)
>
> Manuel
>
> Moritz Angermann :
>
> Hi,
>
> not sure if this is noteworthy:
>
> The following is or will hopefully make(*) it
> into 8.4 as well
>
> - (1) iserv-remote (run iserv on a remote device over the network)
> - (2) arm / aarch64 linker for elf and mach-o
> - (3*) `-staticlib` support for Linux and BSD derivatives (was darwin
> only):
> - (4*) `-llvmng` new llvm bitcode code gen
> - (5*) refactored llvm pipeline
>
> This essentially is all part of making GHC natively
> support cross compiling (including support for Template Haskell) to
> android/iOS/RaspberryPi.
>
> I hope to give a lighting talk around those, if I get a slot.
>
> Cheers,
>  Moritz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 4 Sep 2017, at 8:01 AM, Iavor Diatchki 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Trevor Elliott and I have been slowly working on implementing Simon M's
>  "Mutable Constructor Fields" proposal [1].
>
> The current state of the code is here:
> https://github.com/yav/ghc/tree/wip/mutable-fields
>
> I am not sure if this would be ready in time for 8.4 as I don't know what
> the time-line looks like, and also, the actual proposal is still in the
> process of being reviewed by the GHC committee.
>
> -Iavor
>
> [1] https://github.com/simonmar/ghc-proposals/blob/
> mutable-fields/proposals/-mutable-fields.rst
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs <
> ghc-devs@haskell.org> wrote:
>
>> Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
>>
>> I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell
>> Implementor’s meeting.
>>
>> Usually we have
>>
>>1. Current status (current release)
>>2. What’s cooking for the next release
>>3. GHC community comments
>>
>> As background we have
>>
>>- Our Apr 17 status page
>>
>>- Our 8.2 release notes
>>
>> 
>>- Our 8.4 status page
>>
>>
>> What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
>>
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Re: GHC staus

[Manuel M T Chakravarty]

+1 for a lighting talk on that! (You can tell the organisers that ;)

Also, we should make sure to meet and talk about cross-compilation and GHC for 
iOS :)

Manuel

> Moritz Angermann :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> not sure if this is noteworthy:
> 
> The following is or will hopefully make(*) it
> into 8.4 as well
> 
> - (1) iserv-remote (run iserv on a remote device over the network)
> - (2) arm / aarch64 linker for elf and mach-o
> - (3*) `-staticlib` support for Linux and BSD derivatives (was darwin only): 
> - (4*) `-llvmng` new llvm bitcode code gen
> - (5*) refactored llvm pipeline
> 
> This essentially is all part of making GHC natively
> support cross compiling (including support for Template Haskell) to 
> android/iOS/RaspberryPi.
> 
> I hope to give a lighting talk around those, if I get a slot.
> 
> Cheers,
>  Moritz
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 4 Sep 2017, at 8:01 AM, Iavor Diatchki  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Trevor Elliott and I have been slowly working on implementing Simon M's  
>> "Mutable Constructor Fields" proposal [1].
>> 
>> The current state of the code is here:
>> https://github.com/yav/ghc/tree/wip/mutable-fields 
>> 
>> 
>> I am not sure if this would be ready in time for 8.4 as I don't know what 
>> the time-line looks like, and also, the actual proposal is still in the 
>> process of being reviewed by the GHC committee.
>> 
>> -Iavor 
>> 
>> [1] 
>> https://github.com/simonmar/ghc-proposals/blob/mutable-fields/proposals/-mutable-fields.rst
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs 
>> > wrote:
>> Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
>> 
>> I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell Implementor’s 
>> meeting.
>> 
>> Usually we have
>> 
>> Current status (current release)
>> What’s cooking for the next release
>> GHC community comments
>> As background we have
>> 
>> Our Apr 17 status page 
>> Our 8.2 release notes 
>> 
>> Our 8.4 status page 
>> What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
>> 
>> 
>> Simon
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Re: GHC staus

[Moritz Angermann]

Hi,

not sure if this is noteworthy:

The following is or will hopefully make(*) it
into 8.4 as well

- (1) iserv-remote (run iserv on a remote device over the network)
- (2) arm / aarch64 linker for elf and mach-o
- (3*) `-staticlib` support for Linux and BSD derivatives (was darwin only): 
- (4*) `-llvmng` new llvm bitcode code gen
- (5*) refactored llvm pipeline

This essentially is all part of making GHC natively
support cross compiling (including support for Template Haskell) to 
android/iOS/RaspberryPi.

I hope to give a lighting talk around those, if I get a slot.

Cheers,
 Moritz

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Sep 2017, at 8:01 AM, Iavor Diatchki  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Trevor Elliott and I have been slowly working on implementing Simon M's  
> "Mutable Constructor Fields" proposal [1].
> 
> The current state of the code is here:
> https://github.com/yav/ghc/tree/wip/mutable-fields
> 
> I am not sure if this would be ready in time for 8.4 as I don't know what the 
> time-line looks like, and also, the actual proposal is still in the process 
> of being reviewed by the GHC committee.
> 
> -Iavor 
> 
> [1] 
> https://github.com/simonmar/ghc-proposals/blob/mutable-fields/proposals/-mutable-fields.rst
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs 
>>  wrote:
>> Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
>> 
>> I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell Implementor’s 
>> meeting.
>> 
>> Usually we have
>> 
>> Current status (current release)
>> What’s cooking for the next release
>> GHC community comments
>> As background we have
>> 
>> Our Apr 17 status page
>> Our 8.2 release notes
>> Our 8.4 status page
>> What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
>> 
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
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Re: GHC staus

[Iavor Diatchki]

Hello,

Trevor Elliott and I have been slowly working on implementing Simon M's
 "Mutable Constructor Fields" proposal [1].

The current state of the code is here:
https://github.com/yav/ghc/tree/wip/mutable-fields

I am not sure if this would be ready in time for 8.4 as I don't know what
the time-line looks like, and also, the actual proposal is still in the
process of being reviewed by the GHC committee.

-Iavor

[1]
https://github.com/simonmar/ghc-proposals/blob/mutable-fields/proposals/-mutable-fields.rst



On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs <
ghc-devs@haskell.org> wrote:

> Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
>
> I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell
> Implementor’s meeting.
>
> Usually we have
>
>1. Current status (current release)
>2. What’s cooking for the next release
>3. GHC community comments
>
> As background we have
>
>- Our Apr 17 status page
>
>- Our 8.2 release notes
>
> 
>- Our 8.4 status page
>
>
> What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
>
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Re: GHC staus

[Oleg Grenrus]

I don't know if it's worth mentioning, but GHC-8.4 will bundle text, mtl
and parsec.

- Oleg


On 03.09.2017 16:15, Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs wrote:
>
> Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
>
> I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell
> Implementor’s meeting.
>
> Usually we have
>
>  1. Current status (current release)
>  2. What’s cooking for the next release
>  3. GHC community comments
>
> As background we have
>
>   * Our Apr 17 status page
> 
>   * Our 8.2 release notes
> 
> 
>   * Our 8.4 status page
> 
>
> What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you’d like to see highlighted?
>
> Simon
>
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Re: GHC staus

[Richard Eisenberg]

Might implication constraints make it in time for 8.4?

And I believe two of Stephanie's students (with some guidance from yours truly) 
are working on visible kind application and visible type patterns, 
respectively. But I have no idea about the timeline.

I'm not personally planning anything new and shiny. More bugfixes. Finally 
fixing #8095 (removing coercions).

I'm toying with the idea of getting underway at implementing a dependent Core 
language, but it certainly won't make it for 8.4.

Richard

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Boespflug, Mathieu  wrote:
> 
> Hi George,
> 
>>> Currently it is looking like 8.4.1 will be another cleanup release.
>>> The only item I can think of beyond those listed on the status page is
>>> the possibility of progress on #8809.
>> 
>> 
>> I believe there was a post on the Tweag IO blog suggesting linear types work
>> might make 8.4.1. If not true it might be worth saying this is coming post
>> 8.4.1 but I guess that's true of lots of things.
> 
> That would depend on several things:
> 
> 1. the target date for GHC 8.4. Major releases used to be spaced by
> about a year in between them. But there has been discussion of
> substantially shorter release cycles. Ben, has a target date for GHC
> 8.4 been set yet?
> 2. whether -XLinearTypes as proposed (it hasn't yet!) gets accepted by
> the GHC proposals committee.
> 3. whether, once the branch is ready, it passes review and the release
> manager deems the branch stable enough to be merged into the next
> release branch.
> 
> Great to see interest regarding this in-development language extension!
> 
> Best,
> 
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Re: GHC staus

[Boespflug, Mathieu]

Hi George,

>> Currently it is looking like 8.4.1 will be another cleanup release.
>> The only item I can think of beyond those listed on the status page is
>> the possibility of progress on #8809.
>
>
> I believe there was a post on the Tweag IO blog suggesting linear types work
> might make 8.4.1. If not true it might be worth saying this is coming post
> 8.4.1 but I guess that's true of lots of things.

That would depend on several things:

1. the target date for GHC 8.4. Major releases used to be spaced by
about a year in between them. But there has been discussion of
substantially shorter release cycles. Ben, has a target date for GHC
8.4 been set yet?
2. whether -XLinearTypes as proposed (it hasn't yet!) gets accepted by
the GHC proposals committee.
3. whether, once the branch is ready, it passes review and the release
manager deems the branch stable enough to be merged into the next
release branch.

Great to see interest regarding this in-development language extension!

Best,

--
Mathieu Boespflug
Founder at http://tweag.io.
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Re: GHC staus

[George Colpitts]

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On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 11:06 AM Ben Gamari  wrote:

> Simon Peyton Jones  writes:
>
> > Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
> > I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell
> Implementor's meeting.
> > Usually we have
> >
> >   1.  Current status (current release)
>
> I think there is no shortage of things to say about 8.2. Lots of
> features and numerous important bugfixes.
>
> >   2.  What's cooking for the next release
>
> Currently it is looking like 8.4.1 will be another cleanup release.
> The only item I can think of beyond those listed on the status page is
> the possibility of progress on #8809.
>

I believe there was a post on the Tweag IO blog suggesting linear types
work might make 8.4.1. If not true it might be worth saying this is coming
post 8.4.1 but I guess that's true of lots of things.

On the bug section of the status page it has "Implement Improved LLVM
backend". It might be worth mentioning that in the highlights section if it
is still on track.


>
> >   3.  GHC community comments
> >
> For what it's worth I'll be saying a few words about some of the
> development infrastructure efforts that we've been undertaking. This
> includes changes in release timing, our CI infrastructure and the status
> of the proposal process. My time will be shared with Andrey, who will
> share some words about the Hadrian merge and remaining tasks therein.
>
> > As background we have
> >
> >   *   Our Apr 17 status page<
> https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Status/Apr17>
> >   *   Our 8.2 release notes<
> https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.2.1/docs/html/users_guide/8.2.1-notes.html
> >
> >   *   Our 8.4 status page<
> https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Status/GHC-8.4.1>
> > What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you'd like to see highlighted?
> >
> I'll respond with more as I think of them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Ben
>
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Re: GHC staus

[Ben Gamari]

Simon Peyton Jones  writes:

> Ben, Simon, and ghc-devs
> I have to write slides for the GHC status talk in the Haskell Implementor's 
> meeting.
> Usually we have
>
>   1.  Current status (current release)

I think there is no shortage of things to say about 8.2. Lots of
features and numerous important bugfixes.

>   2.  What's cooking for the next release

Currently it is looking like 8.4.1 will be another cleanup release.
The only item I can think of beyond those listed on the status page is
the possibility of progress on #8809.

>   3.  GHC community comments
>
For what it's worth I'll be saying a few words about some of the
development infrastructure efforts that we've been undertaking. This
includes changes in release timing, our CI infrastructure and the status
of the proposal process. My time will be shared with Andrey, who will
share some words about the Hadrian merge and remaining tasks therein.

> As background we have
>
>   *   Our Apr 17 status 
> page
>   *   Our 8.2 release 
> notes
>   *   Our 8.4 status 
> page
> What would you put under (1-3)?  Anything you'd like to see highlighted?
>
I'll respond with more as I think of them.

Cheers,

- Ben



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