[Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon 2004
On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:34:34AM +0100, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 00:11, Carol Spears wrote: What qualifies you to represent The GIMP? excuse me, my last reply was fairly rude. this is what qualifies me to represent TheGIMP. i latched onto a project with a poor girl who was in over her head. i said no to everything she said until she asked me to stop that and then i said yes to everything. then i quit because it wasn't fun anymore. when a chance came up to get cvs access to all of the other projects, i used this lame project to get this chance. then i continued to insult the original girl i offered to help. oh wait, this is what you did. sorry. i am trying to think of what special interests qualify me to represent TheGIMP and all i can think of is ways other people have used to get things from me. thanks for asking this question. anymore questions? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon 2004
On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 08:24, Carol Spears wrote: On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:34:34AM +0100, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 00:11, Carol Spears wrote: What qualifies you to represent The GIMP? excuse me, my last reply was fairly rude. this is what qualifies me to represent TheGIMP. i latched onto a project with a poor girl who was in over her head. i said no to everything she said until she asked me to stop that and then i said yes to everything. then i quit because it wasn't fun anymore. when a chance came up to get cvs access to all of the other projects, i used this lame project to get this chance. then i continued to insult the original girl i offered to help. oh wait, this is what you did. sorry. i am trying to think of what special interests qualify me to represent TheGIMP and all i can think of is ways other people have used to get things from me. thanks for asking this question. anymore questions? No, that pretty much answers my question. Thank you. ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon 2004
Let me clarify a bit. Carol Spears wrote: to find out that 1) the trip was funded and 2) dsrogers went without a plan of what he would say or do there. i am simply unable to explain more than this. When I heard about the comdex thing, I assumed that there was finding from O'Reilly. The fact that there wasn't surprises (and disappoints) me. And let me emphasise that this is a completely different issue to fundraising for a gimp conference. dsrogers asked for help to organise a presentation at short notice to the list. As far as I know, he got several good ideas of things to show off there. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] COMDEX debrief
Hi Daniel, thanks for what you are doing in Vegas. I was surprised when I heard that you offered to go there even though it looked like there would be no financial support whatsoever. Nice that it turned out that you won't have to pay everything yourself. I am certain you are doing a good job and judging from what you wrote it seems to be worth being there. I don't think we could have found a better representative for The GIMP at COMDEX. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] COMDEX debrief
Hi, On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 12:46, Sven Neumann wrote: thanks for what you are doing in Vegas. I was surprised when I heard that you offered to go there even though it looked like there would be no financial support whatsoever. Nice that it turned out that you won't have to pay everything yourself. I am certain you are doing a good job and judging from what you wrote it seems to be worth being there. I don't think we could have found a better representative for The GIMP at COMDEX. I would like to second this. I am looking forward to discussing how we can use all those new contacts you have established at COMDEX - and especially how we can use them with regards to the foundation. Hopefully I'll get a chance to talk to you in #gimp during the weekend. Sincerely, ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon 2004
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: FSF Europe, ORA, FlamingText GIMP and someone else I can't remember gave us money for the last conference, of which 400 euros remains. Apple also lent us some equipment. Please let me get things straight on the fundings for the GIMP Developers Conference this summer. Dave confused a few things here. Sorry - indeed I did. I got the global ORA mixed up with ORA Germany, and I believed that it had been FSF Europe who gave us lots of money. And the rest of the errors :) Hopefully this year I'll be in a better position to know. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:00:51 +0100, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, each of which has some + points and some - points. 1) GUADEC 2) Lyon 3) London 4) Dublin 5) Chemnitz Are there others? We need volunteers. I could also mention FOSDEM (Free Open Source Software Developers' European Meeting) in Brussels. The 4th edition will take place on the 21st and 22nd of February 2004. Some GIMP people have been there in the previous years, such as jimmac giving some great demos (as usual) and he will do it again for the 2004 edition. Plus: - Brussels is easy to access by train or plane. FOSDEM is organized on the university campus, which is well served by bus, subway, etc. - It should not be too difficult to reserve a room for the GIMP developers. Network access and other facilities will be available. - Although we would have to organize the accomodations, the FOSDEM site lists several decent youth hostels that should be suitable. Minus: - Not much time between now and the end of February. And I don't think that they would shift FOSDEM to June only for us. ;-) - Only two days (Saturday and Sunday). It may be difficult to extend our meeting before or after that week-end because most of the rooms will be booked for courses. Although from my point of view, two days for gimpcon2004 would be enough so I wouldn't have to take days off of work (except for recovering, maybe). - May be a bit crowded. -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: Gimp-Print 4.3.24
NOTE: This is planned to be the last development release prior to alpha for the next stable line, and it contains a number of major enhancements. Please test this thoroughly! Gimp-Print 4.3.24, released November 21, 2003, is a development release of this package. Like all development releases, this version is considered unstable and should only be used by those individuals tolerant of the likelihood of problems. Individuals desiring a stable release of Gimp-Print should use the latest 4.2 release. Gimp-Print is a suite of printer drivers that may be used with most common UNIX print spooling systems, including CUPS, lpr, LPRng, or others. These drivers provide high quality printing for UNIX (including Macintosh OS X 10.2 and newer) and Linux systems that in many cases equal to or better than proprietary vendor-supplied drivers, and can be used for many of the most demanding printing tasks. This software includes the Print plug-in for the Gimp, and Ghostscript and CUPS drivers, including Foomatic data. The Print plugin for the Gimp requires the Gimp 1.2 (later versions of the Gimp are not supported). You may need to install a package named gimp-devel or the like on many distributions. The CUPS driver requires CUPS 1.1.15 or higher. You may need to install a package named cups-devel or the like on many distributions. We strongly recommend using CUPS with Gimp-Print as a general-purpose printing solution. We do not currently recommend using Foomatic, as the Foomatic data generator included with Gimp-Print offers very limited capabilities. This will be fixed in a future release. The Foomatic data will work with either Foomatic 2.x or 3.x. Foomatic 3.x has additional capabilities that this package detects and takes advantage of. The IJS-based GhostScript plugin driver requires GNU Ghostscript 6.53 or later, ESP Ghostscript 7.05 or later, or APFL GhostScript 7.04 or later. Users of Macintosh OS X 10.2 and above can use this package, as the printing system is based on CUPS, which is supported by Gimp-print. Note that Macintosh OS X 10.0 and 10.1 (including 10.1.5) cannot use this package. A precompiled OS X package should be available shortly after the release of this package. Please read the README file for full instructions on installing this package. Gimp-Print 4.3.24 contains the following major changes over Gimp-Print 4.3.23: 1) Additional dither algorithms based on EvenTone dithering have been added that show considerable promise as far as improving smoothness. The first variation is called Hybrid EvenTone. This dither algorithm perturbs the dot positions slightly to break up some patterning seen in standard EvenTone dithering in solid regions of pale tones. This very slightly reduces the smoothness of texture in exchange for largely eliminating this undesirable patterning. This algorithm is also expected to be more resistant to microbanding effects. The second variation is called UniTone. This dither algorithm calculates the placement of all dots (except for yellow) using a single EvenTone pass, not just all of the dots of one color. This technique improves the quality when multiple inks must be mixed, such as when color inks are used to produce gray. It does so by ensuring that all dots are equally spaced. Typically when printing neutral tones with EvenTone dithering the cyan, magenta, and yellow dots are positioned very close to each other, even though the individual cyan dots are well-positioned. This causes the groups of dots to appear to be single, large dots. UniTone dithering evens out the spacing between all dots, producing a smoother texture. UniTone dithering works best at improving output when the drops are already very small, which is usually at high resolutions. With these small drops, the eye has difficulty distinguishing the color of the individual drops, so their color tends to be distinguished primarily by their darkness. While cyan ink is lighter than black ink and magenta ink is lighter than cyan ink, these differences are not overwhelming and hence the eye does not perceive a difference between them. With large drops, the eye perceives the color of the individual drops, and small spots dominated by one ink become apparent. As noted above, UniTone dithers yellow separately. This is because the yellow ink is much lighter than any other ink, and the positions occupied by yellow drops appear as holes, reducing the quality of the print. Even light cyan and light magenta inks appear to be significantly darker than yellow. Experiments conducted to date suggest that UniTone works very well on the Stylus C80 at high resolutions, when the printer is using 3 picolitre drops. On the Stylus Photo EX, at 1440x720 DPI, using 8 picolitre drops, quality is improved significantly when printing in normal 6-color mode but quality is slightly
Re: [Gimp-developer] Fwd: [GUG] CMYK under Gimp.
Am 20.11.03, 21:10 -0800 schrieb Daniel Rogers: I am working on an api for this in GEGL. It is probably best to use the system api's, when available, since there are already methods to plug lcms into the exisiting system api's (on windows and Mac OS X) as a CMM. This would be fine for unix based systems too. Are there any plans to create an system interface for X to plug-in an CMM? Do You know someone allready working on this? ~ There will be an abstraction in GEGL for this. Eventually, I am going to try an get it moved to the freedesktop.org people (and into gtk). But that is quite a long term goal. Can You provide more informations about the current state of CMS in GEGL? regards Kai-Uwe ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
I want to start a new thread to get this discussion (which I consider important) back on track. LOCATION So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, each of which has some + points and some - points. 1) GUADEC 2) Lyon 3) London 4) Dublin 5) Chemnitz Are there others? We need volunteers. FACILITIES What facilities do we need? I've been working (in my head) with figures of 20-30 people, needing fairly liberal access to conference facilities and computer network, preferably staying with LUGgers, but perhaps in a hotel. MONEY Who will manage the money side of things? We need someone who is good with numbers, to organise a few people to do fundraising. DATE When is the earliest we could meet? When's the latest reasonable date? I like late June, I think June/July/August is our target area. Any comments? Like I said, feedback is *required* for this. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
Hi, On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 12:00, David Neary wrote: I want to start a new thread to get this discussion (which I consider important) back on track. Good idea. LOCATION So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, each of which has some + points and some - points. 1) GUADEC 2) Lyon 3) London 4) Dublin 5) Chemnitz Are there others? We need volunteers. Personally I think it would be best to piggy-back on an existing event given that the organizers wouldn't mind, of course. This would give us the benefit of an existing infrastructure. FACILITIES What facilities do we need? I've been working (in my head) with figures of 20-30 people, needing fairly liberal access to conference facilities and computer network, preferably staying with LUGgers, but perhaps in a hotel. 20-30 people sounds right to me. We need a conference room or similar (the GimpTent at GIMPCon 2003 wasn't exactly a conference room, but it filled our need perfectly) and access to the internet. Of course we need a place/places to sleep as well, but anything from a tent to a hotel would fit this need. MONEY Who will manage the money side of things? We need someone who is good with numbers, to organise a few people to do fundraising. It would be ideal if The GIMP Foundation was a reality when we start the fund-raising. We could then use the conference to evaluate the steps taken to raise funds - and perhaps improve the process. DATE When is the earliest we could meet? When's the latest reasonable date? I like late June, I think June/July/August is our target area. Any comments? I agree. I would say late June, July or early August. Sincerely, ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
Hi Henrik, thanks for the feedback. Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: LOCATION Personally I think it would be best to piggy-back on an existing event given that the organizers wouldn't mind, of course. This would give us the benefit of an existing infrastructure. In this case, what IT events do people know of in the timescale we're looking at? GUADEC obviously fits, the Chemnitz event is a little early for my tastes, but is certainly an option. What other events are there that people know about? MONEY Who will manage the money side of things? We need someone who is good with numbers, to organise a few people to do fundraising. It would be ideal if The GIMP Foundation was a reality when we start the fund-raising. We could then use the conference to evaluate the steps taken to raise funds - and perhaps improve the process. I don't think we can rely on the foundation existing in time. And even if we did, the foundation would need a treasurer to be the person In Charge. In either case, we need someone to say they'll take responsibility for money. It might well be reasonable that that person then become the treasurer of the foundation. Are there any candidates? Personally I think it would be a good idea to separate the organisation of physical structures from fundraising - they're 2 very different jobs, and teach represents a considerable workload. If one person does both, he's likely to be overloaded with work. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
Hi Andrew, Andrew Langdon-Davies wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:00:51 +0100, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOCATION snip Are there others? We need volunteers. Barcelona, Catalonia (near Spain)? Site of the Universal Forum of Cultures 2004, and probably also of an alternative forum as the official event is referred to by many as the Forum of Speculation. I could act as go-between and possibly even provide some accommodation. When is this event? Do you have any URLs by any chance? I'm sending on your response to the list. I hope you don't mind - I'm assuming that you intended it to go there :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tél: 04 78 58 08 83 CV: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~bolsh/CV/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
On 21 Nov 2003, at 12:00, David Neary wrote: I want to start a new thread to get this discussion (which I consider important) back on track. LOCATION So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, each of which has some + points and some - points. 1) GUADEC 2) Lyon 3) London 4) Dublin 5) Chemnitz Are there others? We need volunteers. Sven suggested (IIRC), Hacking Extreme http://www.hex2005.org, the follow-up event to Hackers At Large in 2001, but that is of course still more than one and a half year away. The advantage, from what I understood, and IIRC, was that it tied into a networked camping event. FACILITIES What facilities do we need? I've been working (in my head) with figures of 20-30 people, needing fairly liberal access to conference facilities and computer network, preferably staying with LUGgers, but perhaps in a hotel. I did not mind the camping thing, which is an option as long as it's not too cold. -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In this case, what IT events do people know of in the timescale we're looking at? GUADEC obviously fits, the Chemnitz event is a little early for my tastes, but is certainly an option. What other events are there that people know about? Well, there will probably be LinuxTag again (www.linuxtag.org). It usually takes place in Juli but it's more of a trade fair and thus probably not that well suited. I also think that it would be boring to have the conference in Germany again. I expect that 2004 will see another Hackmeeting but the webpage doesn't mention a date nor a place yet: http://www.hackmeeting.org/2003/history_en Perhaps someone knows more about the plans for 2004. I heard a lot of good things about past Hackmeetings and it would probably fit well. Then, there seems to be a vague plan for a HackSchiff in 2004: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9900470/cngwiki/wiki.cgi?HackSchiff2004EN The planned route would probably take a few weeks so that would give us enough time for some decent hacking and chatting ;) Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Fwd: [GUG] CMYK under Gimp.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: | Am 20.11.03, 21:10 -0800 schrieb Daniel Rogers: | | |I am working on an api for this in GEGL. It is probably best to use the |system api's, when available, since there are already methods to plug |lcms into the exisiting system api's (on windows and Mac OS X) as a CMM. | | | This would be fine for unix based systems too. Are there any plans to | create an system interface for X to plug-in an CMM? | Do You know someone allready working on this? yeah, I am working on this. Hopefully, I will be going to talk to the X.org and freedesktop people in December. | |~ There will be an abstraction in GEGL for this. Eventually, I am going |to try an get it moved to the freedesktop.org people (and into gtk). |But that is quite a long term goal. | | | Can You provide more informations about the current state of CMS in GEGL? asking about the CMS in GEGL is really asking about the current state of LCMS. LCMS is a pretty darn complete color management system. And there isn't a lot of solid information. I know what I want to do, I just need to do it. Ok, so I avoided the question. Do you want me to discuss technical details of how I think colormanagement will work in gegl? - -- Daniel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/vjLYad4P1+ZAZk0RAlSoAJ99xIpYFjvU/SwLsoM7ycGYnFgksQCffwU/ PGXujXw8vKC9loidpL3+jVM= =t8ym -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Fwd: [GUG] CMYK under Gimp.
Hi, Kai-Uwe Behrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This would be fine for unix based systems too. Are there any plans to create an system interface for X to plug-in an CMM? Do You know someone allready working on this? X11 has support for color management for a lng time already. What exactly is missing in your opinion? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Fwd: [GUG] CMYK under Gimp.
Hi, Kai-Uwe Behrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have gimps configure an header check for lcms allready onboard? This would help plug-ins to easily link against liblcms? I don't see how a configure check in GIMP would help plug-ins so the answer to the question doesn't really matter. I'll give it anway: I've added such a check a few minutes ago when the color proof display filter was added to CVS. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: I expect that 2004 will see another Hackmeeting but the webpage doesn't mention a date nor a place yet: http://www.hackmeeting.org/2003/history_en Perhaps someone knows more about the plans for 2004. I heard a lot of good things about past Hackmeetings and it would probably fit well. Sounds like a definite possibility. Then, there seems to be a vague plan for a HackSchiff in 2004: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9900470/cngwiki/wiki.cgi?HackSchiff2004EN The planned route would probably take a few weeks so that would give us enough time for some decent hacking and chatting ;) I can't speak for others, but there would be no chance of me taking 3 weeks on a ship this year. Add the cost, and the time to get to Hamburg and from Italy, and I'm voting against this :) Nice idea, though... wish I were still young happygolucky. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Fwd: [GUG] CMYK under Gimp.
GSR - FR wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-11-21 at 0834.36 +0100): This would be fine for unix based systems too. Are there any plans to create an system interface for X to plug-in an CMM? Do You know someone allready working on this? apropos Xcms should give you some man pages, here it does. If one checks the background of X11 (ie, Silicon Graphics machines) it sounds logical to have such thing, I have heard that some people have used custom LUTs to do film work with plain Linux too... so it is all about lack of publicity and docs, I guess. Ah, well I interpreted this slightly differently. While X11 does have color management support, it is not as good as lcms, and doesn't support the concept of CMM, which is what I really thought he was asking about. Pro people like to be able to buy Color Management Modules and plug them into the exsisting system apis. -- Dan ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
