Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec

2003-07-17 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:27:12PM -0400, Robert L Krawitz wrote: - to be able to execute some Java code out of a (virus-altered) GIMP image (Gimp Graphics Archive) takes: * a person running java -jar picture.gga * some smart program looking inside the image, recognizing the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-17 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:19:27PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: HOWEVER, this might be a good time to think about whether we'd prefer a compressed format that we can random-access de/compress on the fly instead of going via a huge (and with image data we can easily be talking HUGE)

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-17 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Christopher W. Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The nice thing about this is that it should be fully parseable by XML parsers (up until the first NULL [1 is required, the rest are optional I don't think the format you proposed is valid XML. There might be XML parsers that are able to read

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-17 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No - it's enabled by default because I thought it should be. I'm quite sure that Sven has turned it off :) I have it turned on so I get reminded how akward it is all the time I use The GIMP. Actually I tried to get used to it but I still can't stand

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-17 Thread Christopher Curtis
Sven Neumann wrote: Christopher W. Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The nice thing about this is that it should be fully parseable by XML parsers (up until the first NULL [1 is required, the rest are optional I don't think the format you proposed is valid XML. There might be XML Rule #1 in

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-17 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Christopher Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would reiterate what I said, but you quoted it. fully parseable by XML parsers up until the first NULL. I'm not trying to jam image data into an XML format - simply prepending an XML header and using NULL as a separator. This means you

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-17 Thread Christopher Curtis
Manish Singh wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:06:12PM -0400, Christopher Curtis wrote: Rule #1 in brainstorming: don't criticise any idea, no matter how silly. So much for rules... Another downside: needing a special tool to manipulate it. Well, now, I want to end this silliness right here.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-17 Thread Christopher Curtis
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, But you couldn't use any generic XML tools like validators or XSL transformations. If we go for XML we should really make sure that we make it proper XML, otherwise XML doesn't make sense at all. We could then as well go for a sexp syntax. Actually the latter would be a

[Gimp-developer] Gradient dithering

2003-07-17 Thread Alastair Robinson
Hi, I've created a little patch against GIMP 1.2.5 to allow dithering of gradients, which significantly improves their appearance when printed. If you're interested, you can find out more here: http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/dithergrad.shtml Comments/criticism welcome All the best, --

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-17 Thread Christopher Curtis
Ok .. I want to apologise to everyone for overreacting. After a brief moment of reflection, a simple container has notable advantages over a single file, not to mention that a one of my assumptions didn't make sense. Where is there documentation on the ar format? I can't seem to find any.

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: new-xcf (was:Re: GIMP GBR format spec)

2003-07-17 Thread Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-07-17 at 0959.32 +0200): Brainstorming, a dir named .xcf2 with the proposed contents inside? :] Would probably cause problems (ie. be cumbersome) copying, moving around on the web, etc. :-) We aren't quite at reiser4 yet. :-) Well, I think people can copy dirs like

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf [Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol10, Issue 18]

2003-07-17 Thread Alan Horkan
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we really are in brainstorming mode here, following the suggestions listed above, how about a format something like the following, which is essentially just an XML preamble, followed by raw binary data: The nice thing about this is that it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gradient dithering

2003-07-17 Thread Adam D. Moss
Sven Neumann wrote: Alastair Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've created a little patch against GIMP 1.2.5 to allow dithering of gradients, which significantly improves their appearance when printed. If you're interested, you can find out more here:

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf [Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol10, Issue 18]

2003-07-17 Thread Christopher Curtis
Alan Horkan wrote: It is far better not to XML at all than to break XML. (incidentally this is similar to what has been suggested for Cinepaint). Just for the record ... I read the CinePaint file format, and it doesn't even resemble XML. My PREAMBLE is valid XML. If they implement what they

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf [Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol10, Issue 18]

2003-07-17 Thread Roger Leigh
Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see a compelling argument to use zip/jar. It's complexity that doesn't buy us anything over ar. $ ar t gimp1.2-print_4.2.5-4_i386.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz The Debian dpkg .deb package format uses an ar archive with gzip

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf [Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol10, Issue 18]

2003-07-17 Thread Alan Horkan
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Roger Leigh wrote: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:22:17 +0100 From: Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf [Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 10, Issue

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf [Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol10, Issue 18]

2003-07-17 Thread Alan Horkan
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Christopher Curtis wrote: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:10:02 -0400 From: Christopher Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf [Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 10, Issue 18] It is far

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf [Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol10, Issue 18]

2003-07-17 Thread Christopher W. Curtis
On 07/17/03 19:41, Alan Horkan wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Christopher Curtis wrote: even resemble XML. My PREAMBLE is valid XML. If they implement what they have written, they don't even bother with things like closing tags or putting parameters in quotes. A preamble, which is

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec

2003-07-17 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 5:35 PM +0200 7/16/03, Sven Neumann wrote: I don't think we should use a compressed archive. Instead the binary data in the archive should be compressed. I agree - and that's what ZIP/JAR allow for - some files/blobs are compressed, and some are not. You could either use the built-in

[Gimp-developer] A comment on CinePaint (was Re: new-xcf)

2003-07-17 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 5:10 PM -0400 7/17/03, Christopher Curtis wrote: Just for the record ... I read the CinePaint file format, and it doesn't even resemble XML. Yeah, I've had that argument with Robin - and lost :(. They are going for simple and scriptable over good design - I think they will regret it ver