Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Roman Joost
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 08:20:51PM -0500, Brendan wrote: Please, oh Lord, someone fork Gimp. Actually, I doubt that forking the codebase and starting a new project will solve the problems we're facing. Starting new projects is always easier than manage them, as well as facing problems and solving

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Brendan writes: Please, oh Lord, someone fork Gimp. I can imagine the scenario: (This is a parody, not a flame) Someones forks GIMP, sets up a project on (say) SourceForge. He spends lots of effort on the project's web page. (He is a c00l web designer.) It has a long list of features that this

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Martin Nordholts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets bloated with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed Document Interface) be very tough to implement in GIMP? TDI's have become very popular, and afaik lots of people agrees that TDIs

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder how many times it will take to hear the Perhaps Gimp should think about having a Photoshop-mode before we'll stop defending Gimp's interface... How many times will it take before people realize how much work it would be to add and support

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you say get rid of you mean distribute its menu items over menus in each document's window? Yes. And when it's done will toolbox still be an always floating window or optionally dockable one? We will have to evaluate this based on

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Martin Nordholts
I apologize criticizing GIMP for not having a Photoshop-like interface. After a bunch of more insightful replies (mostly Carol's) I realize that GIMP doesn't strive to be the Photoshop of the OSS communities. I guess I have been blinded by the numerous GIMP vs Photoshop articles I have read,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Brendan
On Thursday 23 March 2006 03:44, you wrote: Hi, Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder how many times it will take to hear the Perhaps Gimp should think about having a Photoshop-mode before we'll stop defending Gimp's interface... How many times will it take before people realize

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/23/06, Brendan wrote: I am primarily a KDE hacker. I already donate piles of time to that effort, including writing docs. I use Gimp almost every day, but I hear it continuously about the need to have it at least have a PS compatibility mode, from graphic designers who would love to use

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Campbell Barton
For people who want layer erffects and photoshop style interface. goto... http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=9 Can we have a section in Gimp's FAQ about why the Gimp does not directly copy Photoshop? - Cam Brendan wrote: On Thursday 23 March 2006 03:44, you wrote: Hi, Brendan

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Brendan
On Thursday 23 March 2006 05:46, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On 3/23/06, Brendan wrote: I am primarily a KDE hacker. I already donate piles of time to that effort, including writing docs. I use Gimp almost every day, but I hear it continuously about the need to have it at least have a PS

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alex Fernandez
Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2? Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP, but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I could not be this harsh even if I tried. Alex.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/23/06, Alex Fernandez wrote: Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2? Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP, but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I could not be

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Schumacher
Alex Fernandez wrote: Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2? Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP, but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I could not be this harsh even

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alex Fernandez
Both questions are valid. They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox instead of helping out with Konqueror? How would you phrase them to be less harsh? Not making them. It is one thing to be curt and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Schumacher
Alex Fernandez wrote: Both questions are valid. They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox instead of helping out with Konqueror? If he wants to convert Firefox into Konqueror, I would ask this,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/23/06, Sven Neumann wrote: And when it's done will toolbox still be an always floating window or optionally dockable one? We will have to evaluate this based on user scenarios. ButI don't think we would reject a clean patch that adds this functionality. Sure :) Simply distributing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alex Fernandez
They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox instead of helping out with Konqueror? If he wants to convert Firefox into Konqueror, I would ask this, yes. But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP could

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Schumacher
Alex Fernandez wrote: It is not like you can afford turning away any helping hands. I think this gets us back on track. People are usually proud of belonging to a helpful community, and are turned away by impolite answers like this one. IMO is is still arguable whether Alexandre's

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/23/06, Alex Fernandez wrote: But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP could have a PS compatibility mode For usability's sake it's not good to introduce modes that make same application look and behave different. It was countless times announced by developers in this and other mailing lists

[Gimp-developer] Thanks developers

2006-03-23 Thread Simon Roberts
I've watched, somewhat intrigued, the discussions about abbreviations, user interfaces, and whether it's more important to have elegant, largely unused code, or massively popular code that perhaps isn't entirely clean. I'd like to add my perspective as a user. 1) Making the interface just like

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alan Horkan
We can improve the GIMP UI and it will improve. But if you really think that the only acceptable user interface is a perfect clone of Photoshop, then why don't you go ahead and start a project that aims to create such a clone? Weren't people complaining about Gimpshop forking instead of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread PLinnell
Alex Fernandez wrote: I have been reading many different developer mailing lists for several years now, and I've seen endless bickering, flaming, trolling, baiting... but this aggressive attitude towards potential developers and despise for users is unheard of. It is IMHO very unprofessional

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Alex Fernandez
But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP could have a PS compatibility mode For usability's sake it's not good to introduce modes that make same application look and behave different. I completely agree with this. Probably docking palettes or something like this would be all that is needed to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Carol Spears
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 06:59:40PM +0100, Alex Fernandez wrote: Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: It was countless times announced by developers in this and other mailing lists that they do wish to improve GUI of GIMP, but that they don't want to clone PS. Sven wrote a special posting about it

[Gimp-developer] pspi for gimp on linux

2006-03-23 Thread Carol Spears
there are rumors lately that tor will be working on getting the pspi filter thingies working on linux. when they become available will that be announced on this list? i am curious to no end about these; my idea is that even i will be able to write a pure gimp equivelent of them. they simply

Re: [Gimp-developer] Thanks developers

2006-03-23 Thread Scott
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Simon Roberts wrote: I've watched, somewhat intrigued, the discussions about abbreviations, user interfaces, and whether it's more important to have elegant, largely unused code, or massively popular code that perhaps isn't entirely clean. I'd like

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread Carol Spears
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 04:22:19PM +0100, PLinnell wrote: In defense of the GIMP team, they are (unfairly IMO) criticized by those who are not attuned to the actual state of development and their stated goals. Call it support fatigue if you will, but these kinds of issues have been

[Gimp-developer] Re: pspi for gimp on linux

2006-03-23 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Carol Spears writes: there are rumors lately that tor will be working on getting the pspi filter thingies working on linux. when they become available will that be announced on this list? Sure; Today I built pspi on SUSE 10 and Ubuntu. Downloadable from

[Gimp-developer] Macedonian translations dissapeared

2006-03-23 Thread Vladimir Stefanov
Almost a 1 1/2 months ago I uploaded the updated .po files for Macedonian translation here http://l10n-status.gnome.org/HEAD/mk/extras/index.html and after that, they appeared as yellow (empty strings). I thought it is temporally error in the script, but this is going on too long now. I don't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Bring Back the Keyboard!

2006-03-23 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 18:56 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote: Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris writes: Unless, of course, the filename is in the ~/.gimp-2.x dir and you try to getthere by start typing . I am serious about this: I _lost_ almost 20 minutes in a 3 hour workshop trying to get people

[Gimp-developer] ./configure not finding glib?

2006-03-23 Thread Martin Nordholts
Hello again! The first step for me to be able to contribute to GIMP is making it build. I have downloaded and compiled several libraries, but I am having problem with glib. I downloaded the 2.10.1 glib tarball from gnome servers, and ran ./configure, make, make install succesfully (well at

Re: [Gimp-developer] ./configure not finding glib?

2006-03-23 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/24/06, Martin Nordholts wrote: The first step for me to be able to contribute to GIMP is making it build. I have downloaded and compiled several libraries, but I am having problem with glib. I downloaded the 2.10.1 glib tarball from gnome servers, and ran ./configure, make, make

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-23 Thread danni
Looking at the menu we have. 1) Plugin/script development tools 2) Scripts that create new images. 3) The Module and Unit Editors Wouldn't it make sense to refactor 2) into the file menu - either as a new from script, or into the new file dialog - as a special type of template even. 3) should

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: pspi for gimp on linux

2006-03-23 Thread cedric GEMY
But how are these filters licensed by Adobe ? Cedric ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer

Re: [Gimp-developer] ./configure not finding glib?

2006-03-23 Thread Martin Nordholts
Oops, forgot to tell. I try to compile the latest tarball: GIMP 2.3.7. Yep, I first and foremost looked for precompiled libs in Mandrivas packet manager, but I didn't find some of them, though lots of libs are directly installed from there. From: Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Gimp-developer] Thanks developers

2006-03-23 Thread Tim Jedlicka
On 3/23/06, Simon Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Making the interface just like photoshop seems like a foolserrand. I've always viewed the arguement analogous to English versus Spanish (or pick your favorite language). Photoshop may be like English (lots of people use it), but why would you

Re: [Gimp-developer] ./configure not finding glib?

2006-03-23 Thread David Gómez
Hi Martin, On Mar 23 at 11:14:57, Martin Nordholts wrote: The strange thing is that when I run glib-config --version, it spits out 1.-something. That's weird isn't it? What it's weird is that you got glib-config in glib-2.10.1. glib-config is only in old versions, recent versions use

Re: [Gimp-developer] ./configure not finding glib?

2006-03-23 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 24 March 2006 01:00, Martin Nordholts wrote: Oops, forgot to tell. I try to compile the latest tarball: GIMP 2.3.7. Yep, I first and foremost looked for precompiled libs in Mandrivas packet manager, but I didn't find some of them, though lots of libs are directly installed from