Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 02:13 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're agreed about how this tool should operate but I'd still like to review how some of these items are classed as transformations. I dont think that makes sense to the user. Well, we can't really decide that without doing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Are @gimp.org aliases needed at all?

2006-09-28 Thread Manish Singh
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:36:09PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 13:07 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: So another idea is to persuade Shawn to move everything gimp.org to another server (perhaps somewhere in gnome.org/RedHat's colo to take advantage of their sysadmin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread saulgoode
While moves might not be considered to be within the category of Transformations, they are commonly associated with them. A google of CAD translations and transformations will readily display how the two operations are commonly paired. Perhaps a better question to ask would be what graphics

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Are @gimp.org aliases needed at all?

2006-09-28 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Manish Singh a écrit : I think policing it at all is silly. That's unacceptable. And it's not your decision to make. One really should evaluate emails on the actual *content*, and not what the From address says. There are several active contributors who do not use gimp.org addresses,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tool statusbar error messages

2006-09-28 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:50:24 +0200, Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 21:25 +0200, Raphaël Quinet wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:03:30 +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do we handle the statusbar being invisible? Perhaps the statusbar should

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Michael Natterer
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 02:13 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're agreed about how this tool should operate but I'd still like to review how some of these items are classed as transformations. I dont think that makes sense to the user. I covered that in a reply to Sven. Aha... so which of

Re: *** PROBABLY SPAM *** Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread gg
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:48:29 +0200, Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 02:13 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're agreed about how this tool should operate but I'd still like to review how some of these items are classed as transformations. I don't think that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread David Gowers
On 9/28/06, saulgoode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the current user interface (in CVS), I fail to see any logicin having the selection tools possessing the ability to move selectioncontents, it is much simpler and more intuitive if they limit themselves to selecting regions and not engage

Re: [Gimp-developer] UI improvements (was: Moving selection contents with the move tool?)

2006-09-28 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:42:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] 1/ In general I find it needs too many mouse/keyboard actions to achieve a simple operation. 1a/ specific: undo : edit | undo . This must be one of the most common actions I want a one click solution, in the same window

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Michael Natterer
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 14:11 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:48:29 +0200, Michael Natterer Aha... so which of the tools under Transform Tool is not doing a transform? I don't see any that wouldn't perfectly fit into the category. ciao, --mitch Mitch,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Michael Natterer
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 21:48 +0930, David Gowers wrote: On 9/28/06, saulgoode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the current user interface (in CVS), I fail to see any logic in having the selection tools possessing the ability to move selection

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread David Gowers
On 9/28/06, Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 21:48 +0930, David Gowers wrote: On 9/28/06, saulgoode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the current user interface (in CVS), I fail to see any logic in having the selection tools possessing the ability to move selection

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tool statusbar error messages

2006-09-28 Thread Kevin Cozens
Raphaël Quinet wrote: I am not sure about does not operate vs. cannot manipulate, but I I prefer operate to manipulate. An alternatives would be can not work with indexed images or can not use indexed images -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |What are we going to do

Re: [Gimp-developer] UI improvements (was: Moving selection contents with the move tool?)

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 14:39 +0200, Raphaël Quinet wrote: 2d/ I set a value , eg rotation degrees or scale percent. Next time I pull up the dlg it's back to NOP settings : zero degrees or 100% scaling. Now I dont necessarily want the same value but one thing it's sure I dont need

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Are @gimp.org aliases needed at all?

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi Yosh, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 01:50 -0700, Manish Singh wrote: One really should evaluate emails on the actual *content*, and not what the From address says. There are several active contributors who do not use gimp.org addresses, assuming their comments should have less weight is rather

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tool statusbar error messages

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 13:30 +0200, Raphaël Quinet wrote: These informational messages would be displayed in the status bar without the warning icon that is currently used (we could use some info icon although using no icon is probably better if we want the warnings to be noticed easily).

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Are @gimp.org aliases needed at all?

2006-09-28 Thread Carol Spears
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 07:31:56PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: I am not really willing to ignore this issue any longer. I have had several reports from people who received mails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] that can be described as very irritating, to say the least. I think that we can not any

[Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Saul Goode
On 9/28/06, Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Current CVS, you have to press alt+shift or alt+control to actually move the pixels with a selection tool. Nobody does that accidentially, and it's a powerful tool for power users. I see no reason to remove it. A feature being

Re: [Gimp-developer] UI improvements (was: Moving selection contents with the move tool?)

2006-09-28 Thread gg
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:39:39 +0200, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:42:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] 1/ In general I find it needs too many mouse/keyboard actions to achieve a simple operation. 1a/ specific: undo : edit | undo . This must be one of

Re: *** PROBABLY SPAM *** Re: [Gimp-developer] UI improvements (was: Moving selection contents with the move tool?)

2006-09-28 Thread gg
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:12:57 +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 14:39 +0200, Raphaël Quinet wrote: 2d/ I set a value , eg rotation degrees or scale percent. Next time I pull up the dlg it's back to NOP settings : zero degrees or 100% scaling. Now I

Re: [Gimp-developer] UI improvements

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 22:50 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think technical difficulties of implementation need to be separated from UI discussion until the value of the idea has been assessed. I would have other comments about the flexibility on API implementations. I don't think this

Re: [Gimp-developer] UI improvements (was: Moving selection contents with the move tool?)

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 23:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are inconsistencies already here. Rotate and shear behave differently and bucket-fill does not revert to black and white every time you use it. Your accusations are unfair. First of all, your GIMP setup seems

Re: [Gimp-developer] UI improvements (was: Moving selection contents with the move tool?)

2006-09-28 Thread gg
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:21:15 +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 23:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are inconsistencies already here. Rotate and shear behave differently and bucket-fill does not revert to black and white every time you use

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Are @gimp.org aliases needed at all?

2006-09-28 Thread Tim Jedlicka
On 9/28/06, Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get where the expectation that postings from gimp.org addressesshould be considered as anything but the individual _expression_ of theauthor. Expecting a volunteer organization to have a rigid public face is ridiculous.When I initially