Re: [Gimp-developer] New User's opinion
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Mirai Warren wrote: The notion that a program can improve artistic skills is heavily and typically misleading. An artist can put together excellent works with any tool he chooses to use. For instance, Microsoft Paint is responsible for some of the best creations at pixeljoint.com. So first you say that artist puts works together, but in the end it's still Microsoft Paint that does the job? Looks like you have to make a tough choice to stop contradicting yourself :) Look, it's really simple. Application is a toolbox that you use to get things done. Each tool is unique and usually implies a particular use (while combinations are infinite). You can't substitute a saw with a hammer or a screwdriver. Each new tool, when designed with love, care and reason, either broadens artist's horizons or helps to get things done faster, or both. Of course it will help one to improve skills, because being able to do things faster and have time to experiment just like being able to do completely new things does bring you on a new level. If you are open to learn. Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] New User's opinion
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Mirai Warren wrote: The notion that a program can improve artistic skills is heavily and typically misleading. An artist can put together excellent works with any tool he chooses to use. For instance, Microsoft Paint is responsible for some of the best creations at pixeljoint.com. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Rob Antonishen wrote: If it's the latter, then a new download of Gimp might just give you a drawing program that will improve your skills - as it has with mine. To be honest, that wasn't the point I was hoping to convey ;) I was hoping this: However, I recently got Gimp and I was pleasantly surprised at my ability to pick it up, even without an integral help file (which still won't load ) I'd heard all sorts of horror stories about how difficult it is to use, but that isn't my experience. I found it quite possible to use the basics and ignore the rest. My conclusion is that either the scare stories are wrong, or the latest version of the software is much easier to use than earlier versions. would be the perceived point. And while I can accept what you say (to a degree), I highly doubt any individual would create something like this: http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/5646.htm using paint. While it is technically possibly to create dither patterns like this using a tool like MS-Paint (which it wasn't in this case - it was Gimp), it is my opinion that an artist would have to either be masochistic, have way to much time on their hands, or just be stubbornly trying to make a point to use such a tool rather than a more suitable one... -Rob A ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] New User's opinion
Ach. Sorry, but my meaning was simply that an artist can create art with any tool. mspaint was only an example. Looks like you have to make a tough choice to stop contradicting yourself :) I wasn't contradicting myself. By was responsible for I meant was used to create. It is still the artist that creates. While it is technically possibly to create dither patterns like this using a tool like MS-Paint (which it wasn't in this case - it was Gimp), it is my opinion that an artist would have to either be masochistic, have way to much time on their hands, or just be stubbornly trying to make a point to use such a tool rather than a more suitable one... I can do those patterns with mspaint rather easily, and I am not a masochist. --MW ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] New User's opinion
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 5:11 AM, Mirai Warren the.future.comes...@gmail.com wrote: Ach. Sorry, but my meaning was simply that an artist can create art with any tool. mspaint was only an example. Looks like you have to make a tough choice to stop contradicting yourself :) I wasn't contradicting myself. By was responsible for I meant was used to create. It is still the artist that creates. While it is technically possibly to create dither patterns like this using a tool like MS-Paint (which it wasn't in this case - it was Gimp), it is my opinion that an artist would have to either be masochistic, have way to much time on their hands, or just be stubbornly trying to make a point to use such a tool rather than a more suitable one... I can do those patterns with mspaint rather easily, and I am not a masochist. I can do them easily (in GIMP, and probably in mspaint). But it takes more time, and is meaningless grunt work -- I already know exactly what is wanted there, so the method I used was to generate a sample of the dithering and then clone it. With the advent of the 'clipboard pattern' feature in GIMP, this would be even easier -- I could draw the ditherpattern sample directly onto the image before copying that section and cloning from Clipboard Pattern. Tool use allows you to forget about the meaningless and spend more time on the meaningful. The time that you can choose to spend rendering such things manually, subtracts from the time you have to attend to other parts, and to the picture as a whole. As long as there is an efficiency gain, tools are worthwhile to use. I do not use a cloning method for small amounts of dithering, as it is more efficient to just render them with pencil tool. Yes, I'm the artist of that picture :) If you're not very practiced at dithering, it might be good to spend time doing it manually despite available tools to automate it. With the understanding of what you want that comes with experience, this is only rarely needed. David ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] GSoC Proposal: Call for comments
GIMP GEGL Gurus, I hope that I am not too imposing. I would like to draw attention to two of my GSoC proposals: OpenGL GPU-based Buffer Operations in GEGL Improved Foreground Selection Tool (Detail Refinement Brush). If you find that any of them are lacking, please comment on possible improvements. Thanks in advance! Perhaps, I have communicated it very little, but I don't currently have an internet connection at home. This is something I hope to improve next week. By then, I should be able to more actively participate in the GIMP community (contribute patches, idle at the IRC channel, etc.). Until then! And good luck to my fellow GSoC applicants! Kind regards, Daerd ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
