Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] alignment rotation
saulgo...@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com wrote: Quoting Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com: there is such a plugin. I think I saw it in the Meet the Gimp forums. I wrote the following script a while back for a coin collector who wanted to easily crop his scans and rotate them so that the coin was oriented properly. The interface I used was to click-drag a path from the top of the coin to the bottom. The resulting path had only one anchor (at the coin's top) but the control handle was used as the second point. The script would require some modification but might provide a kludgy functionality for those needing it. http://flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com/GIMP/Scripts/sg-rotate-to-path-points.scm A discussion over the evolution of the script took place on the GIMPtalk forums: http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/-script-fu-efficient-rotating--cropping-tool-t32052.html-st=0sk=tsd=a Not sure whether its transient or permanent but above URL gives: SQL ERROR [ mysql4 ] Table './gimptalk_lbsql/phpbb_sessions' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [145] An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator if this problem persists. I found it in Google-cache at: http://tinyurl.com/qsoekx or: http://www.google.com/url?sa=tsource=webct=clnkcd=1url=h ttp%3A%2F%2F74.125.95.132%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3A_D5mPzozc2I J%3Awww.gimptalk.com%2Fforum%2F-script-fu-efficient-rotating -%2526-cropping-tool-t32052.html%2Bscript-fu%2Befficient%2Bc ropping%2Brotating%2Btool%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnkei= -AcNSs6-HZvMMIzdnLcGusg=AFQjCNEPHJMcZdNESQ2G7123a3IN04Uh0w sig2=rYkYIcfwZHEse-9-8zvxaA I grabbed your script from flashingtwelve.brickfilms URL above, set a path with Path tool and when I ran it (GIMP 2.6.6 - Windows XP SP3) got this in the error console: GIMP Error Calling error for procedure 'gimp-image-crop': Procedure 'gimp-image-crop' has been called with value '-160' for argument 'offx' (#4, type GimpInt32). This value is out of range. GIMP Warning Plug-In 'Rotate To Path Point' left image undo in inconsistent state, closing open undo groups. GIMP Error Execution error for 'Rotate To Path Point': Error: Procedure execution of gimp-image-crop failed on invalid input arguments: Procedure 'gimp-image-crop' has been called with value '-160' for argument 'offx' (#4, type GimpInt32). This value is out of range. I notice that at the bottom of the original conversation the OP (StefanP) has a recent unanswered problem (Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:18 am) after updating to GIMP 2.6 (not exactly the same error as I got): It is me again. After upgrading to Ubuntu 9.04 and Gimp 2.6 I am now getting the following error after setting the path and executing the script: Execution error for 'Rotate To Path Point': Error: Bad syntax of binding spec in let* : ((vectors) (stroke-id) (points) (x1) (y1) (x2) (y2) (center-x) (center-y) (radius) (angle) (foo (car (gimp-image-get-filename image -- Regards ... Alec (bura...@gmail WinLiveMess - alec.m.burg...@skype) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
Maciej Pilichowski (bluedz...@wp.pl) wrote (in part) (on 2009-05-14 at 09:08): But for zooming out there is no such cheap workaround. Image: DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC letters are off the screen, digits are visible. | denotes edges Now -- I would like to zoom out on 5 (I would like to focus on that area), how do I do? a) move mouse over 1 (sic!) and zoom out b) move mouse over 5, zoom out, and then scroll the image ad.b) this is tiresome ad.a) this is completely counter-intuitive, in order to zoom out element X I need to zoom out the opposite of X. This is more problematic with conversion when car driver gets on yacht (left-right problem) If you've zoomed in using the Zoom tool and drawing an area with mouse-click and drag ... as you say - not easily discoverable, but once discovered, moving mouse to extreme left (or slightly better results extreme top left) appears to leave desired area always visible though at some point a mouse wheel scroll may be necessary. However (I hadn't tried this before) if with zoom-tool you do Ctrl+click+drag to define area of interest then release AFAICT the area of interest always remains visible. Possible problem (?) - you may find it zooms out too quickly. Again AFAICT ctrl+drag-drop a large area gives better results than a small area. ie. small area vs large area zoom-out may indicate why ctrl+click zoom-out may be giving you problems? And more about (a) -- while zooming in, the mouse cursor movement is small, so I can live with that, but on zooming out, the movement is huge -- it is entire screen. The wish: Please recenter focused area on zoom out (and possible on zoom in). ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
On Friday 15 May 2009 09:06:25 Alec Burgess wrote: However (I hadn't tried this before) if with zoom-tool you do Ctrl+click+drag to define area of interest then release AFAICT the area of interest always remains visible. Possible problem (?) - you may find it zooms out too quickly. I tried it and I see several problems: * as you mentioned, it zooms out too quickly * it is totally inaccurate, gimp seems cannot to shift the image, so the portion I am interested in is centered, in test case it was area near the edge of the image and after zooming out it was at the right border of the window * it requires a lot of clicking, dragging with LMB hold down is a hard to do for people with even mild disabilities * it requires to change the tool I am not saying this (above) functionality should be removed, but the new one added. I would then: * point out the area, no dragging * press + or - key End. I would get nice, smooth zoom, any change of the focus-area would be totally easy to, just move the mouse. Cheers, ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 15:08 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC letters are off the screen, digits are visible. | denotes edges Now -- I would like to zoom out on 5 (I would like to focus on that area), how do I do? What is your definition of focusing on that area? Focusing on the 5 for means having 5 under the mouse pointer. And that is exactly how zoom is implemented right now. You put 5 under the mouse pointer and no matter if you zoom in or out, it will stay there. Now how can you possibly argue that this is not intuitive and useful? I seriously don't understand your problem. Nor do I understand what changes you are suggesting. Possible solution: -- The centering idea -- please note that I am open to any other idea that would lead to productivity boost. Let's focus on zoom out: * I point out the area * I zoom out * gimp know which area I would like to focus on, so the whole image is scrolled in such way, that the area travels towards center of the window How is the center of the window relevant? What counts is what's under the cursor as that is where you are going to work next. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
On Friday 15 May 2009 19:57:39 Sven Neumann wrote: DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC What is your definition of focusing on that area? Focusing on the 5 for means having 5 under the mouse pointer. Now how can you possibly argue that this is not intuitive and useful? I seriously don't understand your problem. Nor do I understand what changes you are suggesting. That's because you don't consider that focusing on 5 means what the user would like to do -- possible some alteration, or copying some fragment. Let's say you are the program (gimp), I ask you in natural language Sven, I would like to work on 5 a bit, could you please show it to me. What would you do -- give me: a) K12345 b) 12345A If you think about intelligent anticipation of course (b) is more valueable because it presents the context of the 5, while (a) presents irrelevant information (K). With (a) there is _zero_ new data relevant to 5. With current behaviour I have to cover those shortcomings and scroll all the time. Possible solution: -- The centering idea -- please note that I am open to any other idea that would lead to productivity boost. Let's focus on zoom out: * I point out the area * I zoom out * gimp know which area I would like to focus on, so the whole image is scrolled in such way, that the area travels towards center of the window How is the center of the window relevant? What counts is what's under the cursor as that is where you are going to work next. Nope. What counts is the context of the data, because it is _relevant_. Data shown 1000 pixels distant from where I work are far less useful than data 1 pixel away, which I cannot see because gimp didn't showed it to me. Currently the image is glued to the mouse cursor which I don't find any useful -- I would like to see big picture (or more details), I move the mouse anyway. Cheers, ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 11:17 -0700, Akkana Peck wrote: I've found the paste centers behavior quite useful, and have recommended it to lots of other people as a quick way to center a layer (which used to be a FAQ, though less so now that the align tool exists). We could add Center Layer to the menus. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 20:48 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:17:43 Akkana Peck wrote: I've found the paste centers behavior quite useful, It is predictable and more useful than random placement for sure. But with hires monitor I would still like some kind of hint from the mouse. Maybe LMB click and then paste would do it? So I am for dropping random placement, and using centered placement. GIMP doesn't place the pasted content randomly. What makes you think so? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 13:21 -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote: When there is no selection, and you paste, the paste typically ends up 3,926,201 screens above where you are working (for me at least). Not sure what version of GIMP you are using. But the current code has the following logic: If there is a selection, paste to the center of the selection boundary. If there is no selection, paste to the center of the viewport unless that would place the selection completely outside the drawable we we are pasting to. If we still didn't find a suitable position, fall back to the center of the image. I didn't check all corner cases, but the code looks OK and the little tests I did seem to indicate that the behavior is as I described. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
On Friday 15 May 2009 20:40:21 Sven Neumann wrote: GIMP doesn't place the pasted content randomly. What makes you think so? Because I don't see any relevance in second paste to what I do (and where I do) and I see no relevance between first paste and the second one. And it should be. I know that concept of adding some kind of AI is ridiculous, but simple anticipation is possible -- where user works is very likely where she/he is focused. Cheers, PS. I am now subscriber of this ML. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:03:27 Sven Neumann wrote: Not sure what version of GIMP you are using. But the current code has the following logic: If there is a selection, paste to the center of the selection boundary. If there is no selection, paste to the center of the viewport unless that would place the selection completely outside the drawable we we are pasting to. The unless part should be enhanced also to outside viewable and added to the first section. Cheers, ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
When you paste a second time, the first paste should still be visible and selected(?) and the floating selection is the current drawable, and thus the second paste end up on top of it (allowing for difference in paste sizes), right? Can you elaborate on the precise order of operations that results in the second paste ending up somewhere random? On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Maciej Pilichowski bluedz...@wp.pl wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 20:40:21 Sven Neumann wrote: GIMP doesn't place the pasted content randomly. What makes you think so? Because I don't see any relevance in second paste to what I do (and where I do) and I see no relevance between first paste and the second one. And it should be. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
Hi, On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:16 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: GIMP doesn't place the pasted content randomly. What makes you think so? Because I don't see any relevance in second paste to what I do (and where I do) and I see no relevance between first paste and the second one. And it should be. I explained the currently implemented logic in another mail. It is by far not random. Did you even try a recent development snapshot before you posted your wishes here? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
Hi, On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 20:20 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: Currently the image is glued to the mouse cursor which I don't find any useful -- I would like to see big picture (or more details), I move the mouse anyway. Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. If you zoom out too far, you can easily zoom back in without loosing the area of interest. I think that clearly outweights the lack of context you may get. And you only get that when your cursor is far off the image center. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Procedural call to undo?
Hi, On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 16:21 -0400, Rob Antonishen wrote: Now that could be useful. Call it GIMP-IMAGE-STATE-SAVE and -RESTORE possibly. Or push and pop.. Not undo. If push and pop, it should be limited to the state the image was in when the script/plugin was initiated. We call this gimp-image-duplicate. Since this is implemented using copy-on-write, it is actually a rather cheap operation and works nicely if you need to save a certain state of the image for later reuse. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:25:54 Sven Neumann wrote: I explained the currently implemented logic in another mail. It is by far not random. Did you even try a recent development snapshot before you posted your wishes here? I tried it for a test and it is centered indeed :-) However since I move the window it is not easy to spot (on a big screen) if you don't know where to look for (what to find). From perspective of user focused on this and that area it is not in the area of interest (with the exception you are focused on the middle of the window). So I keep my wish -- that second paste and further would be placed initially within the are I work on. Cheers, ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:23:57 Sparr wrote: When you paste a second time, the first paste should still be visible and selected(?) and the floating selection is the current drawable, and thus the second paste end up on top of it (allowing for difference in paste sizes), right? Can you elaborate on the precise order of operations that results in the second paste ending up somewhere random? As Sven explained it is centered indeed, not truly random. But to realize the need of sane placement of the second paste, take an image, zoom it in, copy a rectangle from left, upper corner, paste it, confirm, paste it again, you have to go for the block (to dd) right, down. Ok drag it and drop it in the initial corner. Now, copy something from bottom, right corner, paste it, confirm, paste it again. Now you have to go up, left. When you copypaste a lot of blocks all the time it really looks like a random process because you are chasing the second paste all over the window. This is not productive behaviour and can be improved by anticipating the more appropriate placement. Cheers, ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] alignment rotation
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 15:04 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: In GIMP there is such feature as rotate. This is of course useful but when correcting, you can say alignment, it is also useful to have ability to rotate image in such way that some point would make horizontal or vertical line. User would click on one point on the image, then click on the second point, the dialog would appear and user would only select horizontal alignment or vertical alignment. And the rest would be the Gimp -- it would rotate image in such way that those selected point would make a (imaginary) line. This has been suggested every so often already. What is missing is a patch that actually implements it. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
Hi, On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:42 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 21:23:57 Sparr wrote: When you paste a second time, the first paste should still be visible and selected(?) and the floating selection is the current drawable, and thus the second paste end up on top of it (allowing for difference in paste sizes), right? Can you elaborate on the precise order of operations that results in the second paste ending up somewhere random? As Sven explained it is centered indeed, not truly random. But to realize the need of sane placement of the second paste, take an image, zoom it in, copy a rectangle from left, upper corner, paste it, confirm, paste it again, you have to go for the block (to dd) right, down. Ok drag it and drop it in the initial corner. Now, copy something from bottom, right corner, paste it, confirm, paste it again. Now you have to go up, left. Simple enough to press Shift-Ctrl-A if you don't need your selection any longer. Than what you paste won't end up being placed there. Sure, perhaps this can still be improved, but it needs careful thinking and a proper analysis of the current behavior and possible work-flows. A lot of thought and effort has gone into the current behavior. And I refuse to discuss such changes with someone who completely disrespects this effort and calls the placement random. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:38:04 Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. Well, it would be consistent if gimp consistently kept this pixel-cursor relation. But it is not (gimp 2.6.6). Open any image smaller than window, point out on anything not in center. Zoom in. Voila, you are pointing at something else now, because gimp does not shift view of the image. If you zoom out too far, you can easily zoom back in without loosing the area of interest. Only if image does not fit the window (gimp 2.6.6). If SVN still does this it is a bug then, but I assume it is or will be fixed. I think that clearly outweights the lack of context you may get. And you only get that when your cursor is far off the image center. Yes, but zoom in-zoom out stability could be easily corrected with small mouse movement of the user (currently user has to do it anyway, see above). On the other hand with current behaviour you have to do huge mouse movement to make the scrolls. You have to make the hoops _all the time_ to center area of interest (while zooming in point _not_ to area of interest, to push it). It is far from natural. So there are more costs than benefits currently. And there is also one advantage in wished behaviour, well, by definition, you could scroll while zooming -- it is not great benefit for handicapped users, but no penalty though. For any other user it is great help because in one task you can perform two. Sven, if you are not convinced, what about an option? (yes, I am KDE user :-DDD): [ ] scroll on zoom * you could center the area of interest just by pointing at it and zooming in * you would get context of the area just by pointing at it and zooming out no scrolling, no artificial mouse movement. Just point and zoom. Cheers, ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
Hi, On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:55 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 21:38:04 Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. Well, it would be consistent if gimp consistently kept this pixel-cursor relation. But it is not (gimp 2.6.6). Open any image smaller than window, point out on anything not in center. Zoom in. Voila, you are pointing at something else now, because gimp does not shift view of the image. We had it implemented that way, but it caused too much other problems. You can follow all this by reading the mailing-list archives and by studying the specs published at http://gui.gimp.org/ Of course we are open to improves these specifications further. But your proposals should be made after understanding the reasons for the current behavior. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:52:01 Sven Neumann wrote: And I refuse to discuss such changes with someone who completely disrespects this effort and calls the placement random. Surely it is your call, for me it is odd though that using word random is taken as offense and being just a user of gimp is treated as disrespect to developers -- it is not and it was not. But of course you can feel it that way. No irony/offense of any kind was intended previously and now. What I have in mind is improving productivity of software I use, in those talks, Gimp. Cheers, ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
On Friday, May 15, 2009, 21:38:04, Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. If you zoom out too far, you can easily zoom back in without loosing the area of interest. I think that clearly outweights the lack of context you may get. I by far prefer the behaviour of PSP - the closer to the edge of image you zoom, the more the viewport moves in that direction. Makes it really easy (and fast) to move around the image by just rolling the wheel up and down (which zooms in and out in PSP, regardless of the selected tool). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ Authority tends to assign jobs to those least able to do them. -- Cornuelle's Law ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out
On Friday 15 May 2009 22:02:53 Sven Neumann wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:55 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 21:38:04 Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. Well, it would be consistent if gimp consistently kept this pixel-cursor relation. But it is not (gimp 2.6.6). Open any image smaller than window, point out on anything not in center. Zoom in. Voila, you are pointing at something else now, because gimp does not shift view of the image. We had it implemented that way, but it caused too much other problems. I just commented to your zooming in and out _is_ consistent. It is not. The reason why it is not is another story. Thank you for the reference of course. http://gui.gimp.org/ Of course we are open to improves these specifications further. But your proposals should be made after understanding the reasons for the current behavior. You are right, thank you. Cheers, PS. I _am_ subscriber to this ML :-) No need to CC me. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Getting stack trace from gimp-2.7 in Windows
In [Bug 582750] Tom Parker said: (In reply to comment #2) Are their equivalent instructions for Windows users? Not currently, although this should probably be fixed. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/How_to_get_a_stacktrace_with_WinDbg has a guide that might help as a starting point (ignore the section about downloading symbols from the Mozilla symbol server, but everything else should be usable). In 2.7 (gimp-2.7.0-git-20090507-save-plus-export-2009-05-06-i686-setup) it crashes when Text Tool selected as soon as I click in an image window. (Known problem - I just wanted to try generating the mythical windows grin stack trace) Question: assuming this *were* a problem worth filing a Bug against is any of the following any use? Any suggestions for providing anything else necessary to actually debug the problem? Note: In February Jernej said to me in: http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-user/11148-Gimp-w32-unstable-releases-2-7-was-Logo-scripts-crash-gimp-2-7.html#msg50540 All unstable releases of GIMP (those, that have I won't bug developers checkbox) are unstripped, and should contain debugging symbols (though I think I forgot to remove -O2 from CFLAGS for the current 2.7.0 build - I'll provide another build soon). I thought (hoped) that this would avoid the messages below like: *** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll = When not debugging this generates an error dialog: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library --- Runtime Error! Program: D:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\GIMP-2.7\bin\gimp-2.7.exe This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Clicking [OK] closes the dos-box and gimp with no offer to debug. so testing under windbg I ran Gimp 2.7 and opened an image.WindowZ In windbg I attached to the process and selected: [Debug-Go unhandled exception] and [Window-Automatically Open Disassembly] It immediately puts this in the windbg command window: ModLoad: 7078 70789000 D:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\GIMP2.6.6\lib\gimp\2.0\modules\libdisplay-filter-lcms.dll ModLoad: 705c 705f D:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\GIMP-2.7\bin\liblcms-1.dll ModLoad: 66f0 66f09000 D:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\GIMP2.6.6\lib\gimp\2.0\modules\libcolor-selector-cmyk.dll ModLoad: 6670 66709000 D:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\GIMP2.6.6\lib\gimp\2.0\modules\libcolor-selector-water.dll ModLoad: 62cc 62cc8000 D:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\GIMP2.6.6\lib\gimp\2.0\modules\libcolor-selector-wheel.dll (18e8.254): Break instruction exception - code 8003 (first chance) eax=7ffde000 ebx=0001 ecx=0002 edx=0003 esi=0004 edi=0005 eip=7c90120e esp=0699ffcc ebp=0699fff4 iopl=0 nv up ei pl zr na pe nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=0038 gs= efl=0246 *** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll - ntdll!DbgBreakPoint: 7c90120e cc int 3 Missing image name, possible paged-out or corrupt data. Missing image name, possible paged-out or corrupt data. 0:007 gn I'm not sure what its looking for in: D:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\GIMP2.6.6\lib\gimp\2.0\modules\libcolor-selector-water.dll Does this indicate a setup error of some kind - maybe because (as a result of another Bugzilla thread) I just switched to using the same set of setup files for all gimp-2.x programs? so probably a red herring? As soon as I click in the image window with the Text tool I get the above [Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library Runtime Error!] error dialog. At this point the following lines are added to the windbg command window: eax=00257198 ebx= ecx= edx=00250608 esi=7c90de6e edi=0003 eip=7c90e514 esp=0023f054 ebp=0023f150 iopl=0 nv up ei pl zr na pe nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003b gs= efl=00200246 ntdll!KiFastSystemCallRet: 7c90e514 c3 ret This is the first page shown in the [Dissasembly] window with the indicated line selected when it opens: === selected line when Disassembly window opens Offset: @$scopeip 7c90e4e9 c7442408 mov dword ptr [esp+8],0 7c90e4f1 c7442410 mov dword ptr [esp+10h],0 7c90e4f9 54 pushesp 7c90e4fa e82900 callntdll!RtlRaiseException (7c90e528) 7c90e4ff 8b0424 mov eax,dword ptr [esp] 7c90e502 8be5mov esp,ebp 7c90e504 5d pop ebp 7c90e505 c3 ret 7c90e506 8da424 lea esp,[esp] 7c90e50d 8d4900 lea ecx,[ecx] ntdll!KiFastSystemCall: 7c90e510 8bd4mov edx,esp 7c90e512 0f34sysenter ntdll!KiFastSystemCallRet: 7c90e514 c3 ret === selected
Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
Logic may be even changed, but before change something is better understand how it works Paste is centered at the center of the selection (if any) Is not simple and intuitive create, or move, the selection where you want your object be paste ? How i would able to guess a relation with the position of my mouse cursor and a object to be pasted ? i can not see any logical connection But i may well guess a relation with the selection Only other meaningful relation i am able to imagine is center at the intersect point of 2 guides IF snap to guide is enabled (and no more then 2 guides are used) If not will be required for GIMP not only develop a advanced AI but even telepathic skills , because if for you may be relevant the position of the mouse, for me may be much more relevant the center of the portion of image i zoomed in...and who know what may seems more relevant for somebody else ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] . Re: [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position
Will be not possible as option something as CTRL+Click+V (click should be done inside the image ) Paste is centered to the point in the image where the click was done ? ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
