Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
Liam wrote: Right now gimp is broken for working on multiple projects (the file/save changes have rendered it too hard to keep track of where images are being exported) but the use case is central (I think) to how single window needs to work. OK, I am listening. can you explain to me how this worked better in 2.6? thanks, --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
On Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:56:40, David G. wrote: In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7 crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. When I activate a selection markee the graphics driver starts to have problems and starts to flicker and shortly after that the Nvidia cards reports to me that the graphics system has crashed and that it has been recovered. Are you using the latest drivers from www.nvidia.com? Anyway, even if you are, this is not GIMP's fault, but a problem in the driver itself. BTW, there is a GIMP 2.7.0 installer for Windows on SourceForge. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ It is better to have a horrible ending than to have horrors without end. -- Matsch's Law ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned into an everything but GEGL release. I think it would make sense to also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally planned. By doing this we will be able to focus all resources on integrating GEGL once 2.8 is released. Integrating GEGL will require rather big changes to the code base, and I don't think having one guy working in parallel on another feature that requires big code changes is a good idea. A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release, with both layer-groups and a single-window mode, none of which were originally planned for 2.8. I intend to start working on this asap, and peter will work on a UI spec as soon as he gets time. If you have objections, please speak up. Martin, there always will be different opinions on the matter. The best you can do it write such a great patch that rejecting will be as wrong as genocide :) Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
Von: David G. for...@gimpusers.com In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7 crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. Nvidia has corrected the bug in at least some of their drivers, you might want to check for updates. I think that it had been XP in the cases I've read about, though. On a side note, I had a very hard time convincing users that this kind of problem (display flickers when using a selection in GIMP with a very specific Nvidia card, and others don't have the same problem) is something that should be reported to Nvidia. They insisted that the problem has to be in GIMP... Don't be afraid to send reports about bug you've encountered to any company, insitution, service, ... . If they never hear about it, they can't fix it. HTH, Michael -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. The windows (toolbox and layerbox) won't stay on top if the behavior set to utility window. So hoping for overall better interface :) Best of luck. Regards -- Shashwat (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote: Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers, there's nothing GIMP can sensibly do about them not supporting the utility window hint in a sane way BR, Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Question on mode grouping in 2.8
I read that the layer modes are being grouped differently in 2.8 (from gimpusers.com - Layer modes have been grouped by context for easier use. For example, all modes that darken/brighten the image are arranged together now.) Is this just a UI change, or is the enum value changed as well? Specifically, will scripts that reference layer modes using numbers rather than the enums get broken by this? (I am a script writer, not a developer, so I do not have enough actual exposure/experience with the gimp code to even know where to look for myself...) Thanks- Rob A ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
No objections--- mostly I would urge developers to plan what they're going to do, make the changes, and stick to it. I know that's always been the plan but it doesn't feel like it when you're using the different versions. The random UI changes that appear in each release throw off folks who use the Gimp day to day and have to keep relearning behaviors that they are comfortable with or have become muscle memory over years. It would be like ^x being remapped in every release of emacs. Sure the original isn't intuitive but it's far more important to JUST STOP CHANGING IT. :-) All the window wanking with different UI/WM behavior in every version is just starting to feel like destructive churn :-( I know there are reasons, I'm just saying keep it in mind as one more competetive pressure. Monty ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Question on mode grouping in 2.8
Moin! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 19:17, Rob Antonishenrob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: I read that the layer modes are being grouped differently in 2.8 (from gimpusers.com - Layer modes have been grouped by context for easier use. For example, all modes that darken/brighten the image are arranged together now.) As far as I know there was no change since Gimp 2.0. This is a wrong information from gimpusers.com. Regards, Tobias ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
On Monday 07 September 2009 20:13:23 Martin Nordholts wrote: On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote: Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers, there's nothing GIMP can sensibly do about them not supporting the utility window hint in a sane way There actually is a bug report about it against kwin. However kwin/KDE developers do not consider it a bug, but more like a wish list item and cant be bothered about implementing it. Another complaining voice might perhaps get someone interested. --Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Question on mode grouping in 2.8
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 19:36 +0200, Tobias Jakobs wrote: Moin! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 19:17, Rob Antonishenrob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: I read that the layer modes are being grouped differently in 2.8 (from gimpusers.com - Layer modes have been grouped by context for easier use. For example, all modes that darken/brighten the image are arranged together now.) As far as I know there was no change since Gimp 2.0. This is a wrong information from gimpusers.com. No, the information is right, the menu was reordered. The layer mode enum was of course not changed. ciao, --mitch ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
Well the last drivers I downloaded was about three weeks ago so I think that it may be too early too check, perhaps in a month or two and yes I did think too that it could be an Nvidia driver problem and if a lot of users using other graphic cards are not having the same problem that's more reason to suspect. Von: David G. for...@gimpusers.com In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7 crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. Nvidia has corrected the bug in at least some of their drivers, you might want to check for updates. I think that it had been XP in the cases I've read about, though. On a side note, I had a very hard time convincing users that this kind of problem (display flickers when using a selection in GIMP with a very specific Nvidia card, and others don't have the same problem) is something that should be reported to Nvidia. They insisted that the problem has to be in GIMP... Don't be afraid to send reports about bug you've encountered to any company, insitution, service, ... . If they never hear about it, they can't fix it. HTH, Michael -- David G. (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Question on mode grouping in 2.8
Thanks all, for the confirmation and clarification. -Rob A On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Michael Natterermi...@gimp.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 19:36 +0200, Tobias Jakobs wrote: Moin! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 19:17, Rob Antonishenrob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: I read that the layer modes are being grouped differently in 2.8 (from gimpusers.com - Layer modes have been grouped by context for easier use. For example, all modes that darken/brighten the image are arranged together now.) As far as I know there was no change since Gimp 2.0. This is a wrong information from gimpusers.com. No, the information is right, the menu was reordered. The layer mode enum was of course not changed. ciao, --mitch ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
Yes I know, but those are beta releases and many people say that using the text tool crashes their Gimp 2.7 a lot. As a general rule I avoid beta software, not always but most of the time because I usually rather wait for the stable release. I don't mind waiting a bit longer for the new single entry in the task bar feature, right now I'm more concern with the graphic card issue with the selection markee, I will report that to Nvidia just in case. If it turns out to be a bug with the graphic driver instead of Gimp the more users with this problem that report it to Nvidia the merrier. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:26 AM, David G.for...@gimpusers.com wrote: To SorinN: I use Windows (Vista 64 bit and XP) and I only have Gimp 2.6.7 so far which is the one that is available for Windows now, if Gimp 2.7 creates a Behold: http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/gimp-2-7-beta,-last-stable-is-2-6-7-also-for-windows-t37771.html Yea, verily. David -- David G. (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
Martin Nordholts wrote: Hi, We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned into an everything but GEGL release. I think it would make sense to also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally planned. ::snip? SNIP!:: Hi, all. I might be daft, but what exactly _is_ a single-window mode. It feels like I'm the odd one out, here, and that everyone else knows what's going on, but I can't really imagine that's the case. What window are we talking about? The phrase single-window mode really means absolutely nothing to me. Can someone draw a simple mock-up to make it clear? --xsdg ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
Omari Stephens wrote: The phrase single-window mode really means absolutely nothing to me. Can someone draw a simple mock-up to make it clear? I will blog about it soon, so you know what I am up to. --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 09:50 +0200, peter sikking wrote: Liam wrote: Right now gimp is broken for working on multiple projects (the file/save changes have rendered it too hard to keep track of where images are being exported) but the use case is central (I think) to how single window needs to work. OK, I am listening. can you explain to me how this worked better in 2.6? First, note that I said right now -- although strictly speaking I should have said a month ago, I need to update. So there are some unfinished details, and some of these don't matter too much individually but add up, rather like the chairs at MacDonalds, designed to be comfortable only for twenty minutes... The biggest problems I have right now -- and I know ways to address the biggest have been discussed -- are (1) file-export as (regardless of what it's called) goes to the wrong directory: it needs default to the same directory as save as, that is, the directory with the original-precious-image. I could happily live with a preference for default export directory, but My Documents really, really doesn't cut it outside of a family's computer for saving snapshots... (Desktop would be as bad) (2) there's no menu in the toolbox, and if you have the toolbox and no image window, you have to open a minimsed image window just to get to file-new Use case: . scan an image. Maybe export it to scannd-images/Vesalius/raw-pages/folio309.png for archiving. Work on it, off and on, during the course of the day. Save it to scanned-images/Vesalius/cleaned/folio309.png for archiving when done, and then (maybe an hour or two later) make 5 jpeg images at different sizes, all to be exported to scanned-images/Vesalius/jpeg/ . Meanwhile, use open image in gimp on an interesting photo of a rock that someone pasted into IRC. Hmm, let's try levels-auto on that and export to /tmp (or Desktop, don't care) to send back for a discussion about the algorithm . at the same time I'm editing a photo I took for work, but that's on hold for an hour waiting someone to get back from lunch . I work on the photo for a bit. Then I minimise it so I have the scan and the work photo minimised in the task bar, and the rock photo open. I edited it, export it (where?) and close it. . Now I just have the GIMP toolbox visible, and no image windows. . The person at work is back but wants me to try something new, so I have to make a new image. Hmm, I have a gimp toolbox but no File menu, that's fucked. Let's have at least a right-click menu on the toolbox drop area please, with File and Window. . Now I go to save (or export) that Vesalius scan. Is it the first time I've exported? can't tell. Where does it want to put the image? My Bloody Documents. So now I find a terminal window, navigate to th directory with the Vesalius images, do pwd, copy the result, and paste it into the file chooser and hit enter. Oops, overwrote the filename, hit cancel and start again. It's fun, this. . OK, back to the work photo, time to do file-export. Where will it go? Where was I when I was working on it? So I'm working in parallel on several different projects, each with their own folders, and I'd actually be just as happy in many ways with three entirely separate gimp instances... and starting an entirely new gimp for a new image so I'd get the menus. Sorry for a long posting, I hope it's a bit clearer. There are some other details like the export dialogues having 'save instead of overwrite or export on them that might already have been fixed. A pull-down of active and recent directories on the file choosers would help, but not as much as having bookmarks + the current image's export directory starting off the same as the import or save directory. A final note -- I scale the image, export as jpeg, sharpen, scale again, sharpen come back half an hour later and want to know at which points I exported as jpeg; with 2.4, I could undo repeatedly until the * in the image window went away, and that was when I'd saved as png. An icon in the undo history would help a lot here. Hope this helps! Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
On Monday 07 September 2009, Martin Nordholts wrote: On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote: Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers, there's nothing GIMP can sensibly do about them not supporting the utility window hint in a sane way You mean something like: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177025 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178074 If you know of other people complaining, maybe we may sway the developers of KDE to do something about it by combining the reports. I have little hope though... regards Karl Günter ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
On Saturday 05 September 2009, Martin Nordholts wrote: A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release, with both layer-groups and a single-window mode, none of which were originally planned for 2.8. Why not have it both ways - by simply making the toolboxes dockable... That's the way many programs handle things like that and it's working like a charm. IMHO this would sort out any complaints about a change in usability as the undocked toolboxes could behave as they would currently... regards Karl Günter ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 17:49, Martin Nordholtsense...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned into an everything but GEGL release. I think it would make sense to also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally planned. Please come back on topic. The question was not if or how. The if is answered by Martin with a yes and the how will be written down by Peter. The question was if in 2.8 or in 2.10? I think this can't be answered before we see what Peter has designed. So this complete discussion is pointless. Regards, Tobias ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Question on mode grouping in 2.8
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 19:47, Michael Natterermi...@gimp.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 19:36 +0200, Tobias Jakobs wrote: Moin! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 19:17, Rob Antonishenrob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: I read that the layer modes are being grouped differently in 2.8 (from gimpusers.com - Layer modes have been grouped by context for easier use. For example, all modes that darken/brighten the image are arranged together now.) As far as I know there was no change since Gimp 2.0. This is a wrong information from gimpusers.com. No, the information is right, the menu was reordered. Oh, sorry. I must have missed that. Regards, Tobias ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Question on mode grouping in 2.8
On 09/07/2009 07:49 PM, Rob Antonishen wrote: Thanks all, for the confirmation and clarification. For reference, here is the gimp-developer thread leading up to the rearrangements: http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2008-November/thread.html#21099 / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
Not that one.. I am talking about this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172615 There are lots of people and duplicate bug report for the same but never fixed :( On Monday 07 September 2009, Martin Nordholts wrote: On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote: Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers, there's nothing GIMP can sensibly do about them not supporting the utility window hint in a sane way You mean something like: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177025 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178074 If you know of other people complaining, maybe we may sway the developers of KDE to do something about it by combining the reports. I have little hope though... regards Karl Gunter -- Shashwat (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
