[Gimp-developer] Blog article about Scheme usage in GIMP

2011-09-05 Thread Michael Schumacher
Moin,

I've come across the following blog post in my feed:
http://benjisimon.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-guile-and-scheme-could-really-win.html

The author obviously favors Scheme over other programming languages, and has a 
clearly defined goal for the level of Scheme support in GIMP:

The API should be so smoothly integrated in with The Gimp, that you'd be crazy 
to choose any other language.

At present, this is not true - and possible reasons are mentioned in the blog 
post, too:

And you can't exactly blame programmers for not embracing Scheme: much of the 
Script-Fu scheme code out there is written in poor style (oh, to see Scheme 
code indented like C code - my eyes, my eyes!). Additionally, the Scheme API is 
low level.

I guess both of these are valid - I'm seeing many examples of people applying 
concepts from other languages to Scheme (e.g. some go to great lengths to get 
the number of elements of a list, in order to use that number in a for loop 
which iterates over the list). I can only imagine how that feels for a real 
Scheme programmer.

There are suggestions on how to solve this, too. A Scheme community should do 
the following:

1. Don't stop by delivering the low level C style API. Go beyond that and 
deliver a high level API, one that uses all the cool features that are 
highlighted in Andy Wingo's post on Guile. Don't just talk about how macros can 
dramatically change the life of a programmer, make some that do. Don't just 
talk about how call-with-current-continuation can add new looping constructs to 
a language, create some.
   
2. Make sure there's plenty of high quality examples available. Perhaps 
reviewing and improving the plugins that users submit.


The author doesn't elaborate on the community, so I'm not sure who he's 
addressing with this post - i.e. if there are people working on improving 
Scheme support in arbitrary applications.

I'm not aware of any plans to improve Scheme support in GIMP from our side, 
though - at least not in the direction of that blog post. Running scripts like 
plug-ins is planned, maybe introducing named parameters, but not an overhaul of 
the whole API. And IIRC not a move to a different Scheme implementation - more 
likely a move to a different language altogether.

I'd like to comment on the blog post, or see comments by someone else, but I'd 
like to clarify our plans for Scheme in GIMP first.


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[Gimp-developer] CCCAMP11 Reimbursements - please send documents

2011-09-05 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

I'd like everyone who wants to be reimbursed for the GIMP meeting at Chaos 
Communication Camp 2011 to send the amount and receipts (camp, train, plane 
tickets, ...) directly to me.

If you haven't requested any reimbursements for previous events, please include 
your bank account details (including BIC/IBAN) as well - do that if the data 
has changed, too.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Students Application Deadline - 2011-04-08, 19:00 UTC

2011-04-07 Thread Michael Schumacher
Quick reminder:

The application deadline for Google Summer of Code 2011 ends on

  Friday, 2011-04-08 19:00 UTC


All students have to be signed up and have to submit their applications before 
that deadline - the cutoff is done automatically, there's no grace period.

If you have any questions about your applications, the best place to ask them 
in the short time remaining is the GIMP IRC channel

#gimp 

 on the server

irc.gimp.org


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GSoC 2011 announced

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 26.01.2011 06:51, Martin Nordholts wrote:

 On 01/25/2011 05:52 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
 Google has just announced GSoC2011.
 
 Schumaml: Will you be our GSoC master this year too? If so, that would 
 be great.

Thanks for having confidence in me again :)

In order to participate successfully, we'll have to care about the
following key aspects:

1. Mentors
2. Projects
3. Students


1. Mentors
--

Mentors are supposed to help the students with their project, by
defining an evaluating goals, any problems they may have, and are
responsible for rating the projects at least twice (midterm and end).

Usually, the mentors know fairly well what types of projects they'd like
to mentor.

It would be nice if potential mentors would introduce themselves on the
gimp-developer list, and provide some information about the projects
they'd like to mentor most - either very specific ideas or generic
(beginner-level python plug-in), what they'll expect from their
students, what they'd like to have for qualifications tasks, ...


2. Projects
---

We'll need some viable and manageable projects for the students. Viable
means that if the project is successful, it will be integrated into GIMP
as soon as possible* (in the master branch, at least).

This means that anything - GUI in particular - has to be approved by
guiguru and the inner circle of active developers.

Projects suggested by students without prior consulting may be very hard
to fit into these requirements.

The goal of the projects should always be new contributors, not just the
code produced during GSoC.


3. Students
---

Due to the recent news items about the lack of developers, there is the
chance that we may be a bit overwhelmed by student applications. We
should have a very precise idea about the number of projects we can
handle, and not sacrifice quality of mentoring for quantity (like one
mentor mentoring two students besides a full-time job).


---


Please comment on this - there may be much more important aspects I've
forgotten to mention.

GSoC time line:
http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#timeline



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Re: [Gimp-developer] Developer Boot Camp?

2011-01-28 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Stephen Greenwalt stephengreenw...@gmail.com

 * It seems to work best to put the entire project (all source, and all
 build product) under a project folder in the Home directory.
 * If possible, that should include a *copy *of any external 
 dependencies with environment variables (etc) adjusted accordingly
 * The project ought to be able to exist in a *bubble* . . . so as to
 avoid confusion . . . regarding copies of dependencies that might exist
 in the OS.
 * Multiple different project versions ought to be able to exist on the
 same machine without stepping over each other.

Martin has covered that in 
http://www.chromecode.com/2009/12/best-way-to-keep-up-with-gimp-from-git_26.html

That's rather easy to follow, shouldn't take more take more than an hour*, even 
when running into each problem that's commonly encountered on a default Ubuntu 
install (i.e. no compilers, no developer files, ...) deliberately.

*assuming a broadband connection and something around a 2GHz system, otherwise 
add some buffer for download and compile times

 * If we do it right, compiling for Linux vs. Windows vs. OSx ought 
 require no more than the flip of a switch.

If you've got a build environment set up, it builds with the exact same 
commands.

 * Shouldn't we standardize on a common development IDE (like Eclipse)?  

Shouldn't be necessary - if you make sure that the IDE doesn't interfere with 
the autotools build setup and/or introduces its own project files, then you may 
choose any IDE you like.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Possible Future of ScriptFu/TinyFu with R6RS/Racket

2011-01-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 14.01.2011 21:59, Marco Ciampa wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:17:45PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote:
 Von: Alexia Death alexiade...@gmail.com

 I think script-fu would be ideal for such use. If you could record an
 action, and then optionally convert it to a full script a lot of
 convenience and ease of automation would be added.

 Writing out recorded actions in any language shouldn't be the problem...
 
 I think that this is one of the most wanted TODO for GIMP.
 If it is not a problem, why noone has planned to do it?

Note the If you could record an action in Alexia's message.

Recording is the hard part, actually. The Undo list only has images, not
the commands and parameter values used for them.

See the corresponding report:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51937

Martin wants to change the Undo system using the Command Pattern (see
comment 43 of the above report, and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_Pattern for an explanation of this
pattern).

Once we have that (or something equivalent), then writing out the
commands in any programming language shouldn't be a problem anymore.


HTH,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] donations for GIMP 2.8

2011-01-06 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 06.01.2011 23:01, Sven Neumann wrote:

 I just wanted to let you know that we have seen a dramatic increase in
 donations since then. More than 120 people donated over the last 8 days
 and sent us about 2,500 dollars. Perhaps it would be a good idea to
 discuss how we can actually use this money to make the GIMP 2.8 release
 happen soon...

Alexia suggested that we get Peter a tablet. I think this is an
excellent idea - first-hand experience with different input devices
should help a lot when planning for GIMP user interaction, especially
with any of the tools.

I'd say we should aim for the same model Mitch got recently - an Intuos
4 plus an Art Pen.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OSX, Mac App Store and Funding

2010-12-11 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 07.12.2010 19:15, Filipe Sim-Sim wrote:

 Now before any flamming and discussion on the GPL, i would like to
 state that the App Store webpage on Gimp should clearly state that
 this is opensource software, that you can download the source and/or
 the binary from the project page and that this is essentially a
 donation to the project combined with a easy software install and
 upgrade management.

If Apple doesn't change their Terms of Service for this instance of an
App store, then we won't have to bother with discussions about whether
the GNU GPL allows this distribution method - Apple will simple remove
GIMP from the store.

See
http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement
for some background.


HTH,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 14.11.2010 01:21, Bill Skaggs wrote:

 Here is a better reason, maybe.  It is a good thing if people can learn
 to use Gimp by experimenting.  When features are included for which 
 experimenting leads only to confusion, and never to anything useful,
 users are discouraged from experimenting.

Doesn't this boil down to Remove anything that requires any level of
education?


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[Gimp-developer] Please change the subjects of sub-threads (was: Re: IMPORTANT: GIMP AND OPENSOURCE SCAM ON EBAY!)

2010-09-24 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

this thread has spawned several sub-threads about different topics, yet
not a single one of them has got a meaningful subject.

So, the next time someone decides to talk about something completely
different, please consider to change the subject of the message as well.

In order to facilitate threading in mail apps that don't use the
References: and/or In-Reply-To: headers, keep the original subject once,
as shown in this message - if you reply, please remove the (was: ...) part.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Patch shortening GIMP startup time

2010-09-01 Thread Michael Schumacher

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:53:34 +0200
 Von: Łukasz Czerwiński lc277...@students.mimuw.edu.pl

 It seems that you and Sven asked me to make two different actions and 
 it's useless to do both. Sven asked me to commit my patch into git, 
 you have told me to create a bug and add a patch there as an attachment.  
 Whose commands should I obey? :]

Both, they aren't conflicting.

You probably get the GIMP source code from Git already, as described here:
http://live.gnome.org/Git/Developers

Contributing patches is described there as well:
http://live.gnome.org/Git/Developers#Contributing_patches


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Re: [Gimp-developer] drawing with even number of pixels

2010-08-25 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: oli...@first.in-berlin.de

 I could not find a way to convince a drawing-tool (pen or brush)
 to use even number of pixels.
 Scaling always yielded to odd number of pixels 1,3,5,...

Known problem of vbr brushes:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163602


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Deadline ahead: final GSoC evaluations start on August 16!

2010-08-04 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

we're getting close to the end of Google Summer of Code 2010.


On August 16, 19:00 UTC, the firm 'Pencils down!' deadline will be reached. 

This means the following:

1. Final evaluations of a student's project have to be based on the work done 
until that deadline

2. Coding may continue


The evaluations are due on August 20, 19:00 UTC. 


http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline


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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.6.10 and python on windows?

2010-07-15 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 15.07.2010 22:44, Rob Antonishen wrote:

 Any suggestions?

Python 2.6?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with new default resources in 2.8

2010-07-07 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com

 This is perhaps quite offtopic, but if it was possible to save guides
 in GIMP templates, the existing collection of them could be improved
 as well.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168541



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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Mid-term evaluations start next week

2010-07-05 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

on July 12 19:00 UTC, the midterm evaluations are starting (there will
be links on the GSoC website). The evaluations are due on July 16, 19:00
UTC.

See http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/Evaluations for an overview
and description of the various evaluations that'll happen.

Please don't forget to complete them in time.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.7.1

2010-06-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Alexander Rabtchevich alexander.v.rabtchev...@iaph.bas-net.by

 I haven't tried yet linux version, but Windows one does not show 
 anything in a pop-up window for plugin previews (the window is grey). 

Can't reproduce.

 And UFRaw stopped working complaining entry point for the procedure 
 BZ2_bzRead is not found.

Different version of the bz2 library, I guess.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] TO THE DEVS — DECISION ABOUT LGM 2011

2010-06-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 29.06.2010 17:28, Louis Desjardins wrote:

 a) You have enough information to make a call on the proposed LGM venues
 for 2011?

Yes.

 b) You had enough time for a round of internal discussions to see
 whether a significant portion of your team will make it to any of the 3
 possible venues? 

Yes. We're fairly sure that very few GIMP developers will attend a LGM
in Vietnam (distance and politics), some more in Brazil (distance) and
probably a few more in Montreal, although some may decide to skip a LGM
that's held at a familiar place for the third time.

 If not, how much time would you like to have for such a round before making 
 it a team decision?

The difficult part is that it's almost a year till the next LGM. Nobody
can yet tell for sure if they'll be able to attend.

 c) You are in the end satisfied by the process? if not please give some
 hints on how to improve this process.

I'd like to see it extended on future LGM plans as well - i.e don't wait
until after LGM 2011 to decide about 2012. Knowing where the next few
meetings might be can help a lot if you know that you'll skip one for
whatever reasons.

 d) You are ready to make your call about the venues? if yes, please make
 it now, if not please tell us when, and maybe why!

My personal preference would be Brazil - Vietnam - Montreal; without any
really strong opinion for or against any of them.

 e) Do you think the guidelines are helpful? if not, are they useless?
 can we improve them or should we simply remove the code?

The guidelines are useful. There outline exactly why each item is
important for the organizers, without being rules for rules sake.

 f) What do you think of the bidding process? Should we keep it as it is,
 a one-year process? or should we make it a two-year process? And do you
 think again you have enough information to make a real choice? Please
 explain.

Two years. Especially for people who have to save up for travel and
accommodation (even if reimbursed, you'll have to cope with less money
for some time), it is very helpful to know that a next LGM may be closer
to one's location.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Please can we have a single-window UI

2010-06-22 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Evan LeCompte evan...@gmail.com

 Myself and many other members of the Archlinux community (and anyone using
 Linux with a tiling window manager for that matter) humbly beg you (the
 developers) for a single-windowed version of GIMP.
 
 We've been hearing about it for months now...

Out of curiosity - what are the primary sources (as in news sources) you're 
using to stay up-to-date with GIMP development?


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store [reminder]

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 07.06.2010 17:16, Ismael Barros² wrote:

 We frankly believe the T-shirt looks good, and we're sure it would
 have some more success among many loyal Gimp users with some more
 exposure. In example, publishing the link we asked for time ago in
 http://www.gimp.org/about/merchandise.html would help a lot.
 Currently, all the organizations we work with have us linked from
 their website, and it indeed helps to boost our sales and consequently
 their donations, so everybody wins.

We're currently unable to update the website (if you have a look at the
index page, even the release announcements aren't up to date).


Until this is resolved, we won't be able to add, edit or remove anything
to, on or from www.gimp.org.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Merchandizing for the GIMP.

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 09.06.2010 19:19, Sven Neumann wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 16:32 +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
 Hi all.

 At LGM we threw some ideas around for Gimp-Merchandizing.
 
 Since I haven't been at LGM, I have trouble to understand the motivation
 for doing GIMP merchandising.
 
 You are certainly not doing this for the money, are you?

Please note that Simon is responding to my request from the GIMP meeting
to present an overview of merchandise items in the categories give-away
bulk, give-away specific, standard merchandise and surprises
(like the ties).

Do you remember the - not terribly serious - short discussion we had
about this at your place during last congress? That was the much more
serious continuation.

We've been very careful to leave this at a present the options, decide
later stage - mostly because many of the GIMP developer's haven't been
able to attend LGM. But everyone agreed that we want stickers, at least.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store]

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 09.06.2010 20:43, LightningIsMyName wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
 alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of the things discussed at LGM was moving all project's domain and
 subdomains to a single dedicated server. We have a person willing to
 do the migration and a person to create a new website.
 
 On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote:
 We're currently unable to update the website (if you have a look at the
 index page, even the release announcements aren't up to date).

 Until this is resolved, we won't be able to add, edit or remove anything
 to, on or from www.gimp.org.
 
 After reading this, I have to ask: what?!

To elaborate on this:

1. the gimp web site is maintained in the gimp-web module of GNOME's Git
2. anyone can pull it from there, change pages and create patches,
people with Git write access can push them directly
3. the gimp web server pulls from git, runs make and create static html
pages with the updated content
4. step 3 is broken at the moment
5. step 3 is broken because there's no active maintainer for the server


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp UX: Paste

2010-06-02 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Jason Simanek jsima...@gmail.com

 Thanks for listening. If a discussion about these issues has already 
 taken place, please provide URLs to those discussions. I have no 
 intention of reopening discussions that have already been resolved.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561576


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Re: [Gimp-developer] help: The layer Group Info has dropped? Who have the adobe CS File Formats Specification.pdf

2010-05-25 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com

 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Hades wrote:

   who have  the  Adobe CS File Formats Specification.pdf or the
 version above
  CS .
 
   Could you do me a favour and send the document to me?
 
 They can't. There's this thing called SDK license. You sign agreement
 before getting access to anything. Of course, you may not sign
 anything and just reverse engineer it -- that's what I did recently.

Whenever some Adobe developers are confronted about this (e.g. at an LGM :)), 
they claim that there's an ongoing effort to separate the file format 
description from the SDK. Has anything been achieved in this matter?


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Addressing one of the gimp vision items...easy installation of plug-ins

2010-05-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 14.05.2010 23:00, Akkana Peck wrote:

 Writing a file handler like Rob describes sounds easy -- if all you
 care about is script-fu.  The hard part would getting Python and C
 plug-ins installed for users (especially Windows users) who don't
 have Python, PyGTK or a C compiler.

Getting Python plug-ins installed wouldn't be the problem, they just
won't run if the requirements aren't met. But this is supposed to change
with future installers...


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Still GIMP @ LGM 2010

2010-05-13 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 13.05.2010 14:46, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
 So,
 
 When I emailed about this subject last week, I've been told everyone
 was already booked up and talks registered: it looks like teh talk
 registration is not quite complete, and we have to fill in the details
 for the LGM programme.

No idea what the Saturday 100:00 talk is supposed to be, but for...

 Who is intending to talk? Peter? GSoC mentors? (including myself)?
 We shouldprovide then some details ASAP.

... there are two talk proposals in their wiki:

http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/A_first_outline_for_a_UI_for_a_fully_GEGLed_GIMP
http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Writing_GIMP_scripts_and_plug-ins



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Re: [Gimp-developer] Translating the Windows installer

2010-05-11 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Torsten Neuer tne...@inwise.de

 Am Montag, 10. Mai 2010 23:34:18 schrieb Jernej Simončič:
  Windows installer for GIMP has till now always been in English only,
  although the installer always shipped with all translations that are
  included with GIMP. It would be nice, if the installer was translated
  as well, but it uses it's own translation format, which is quite
  different from gettext's .po catalogs. What would be the best way to
  handle this translation?
 
 This depends on how the translations are done in the Windows installer.
 Some installers use some kind of database which is not interchangable
 and require the installer software for editing. Others use plain text 
 files (one for each language) which doe not require the installer 
 software in order to be edited. In the latter case, editable language 
 templates could be produced by copying the English variant.

AFAIK Innosetup uses the latter case.

I'm more concerned about the translations themselves:

Jernej, please make sure that the translators know what the messages mean... 
there have been times when GIMP's translations clearly showed that the 
translators have never tried them when using GIMP :)


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Status, Google Docs, Git - students and mentors

2010-05-10 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

the official coding period of Google Summer of Code 2010 starts in two
weeks (on May 24).


Building GIMP and GEGL
--

Make sure that building GEGL or GIMP from Git is possible on your system
- Martin Nordholts has written a guide about installing GIMP in a
private directory:
http://www.chromecode.com/2009/12/best-way-to-keep-up-with-gimp-from-git_26.html

It is recommended to use the most current revision of your distro.


Google Docs
---

By now, there should be a plan for each project, describing an initial
idea about deliverables and milestones. A quick poll among the mentors
has shown that they are in favor of using Google Docs for any documents
during GSoC - be it documents, spreadsheets or diagrams.

Please make sure that everything is shared between student and mentor
and the GIMP GSoC admin (me; Google account is my current mail address).
If possible, make the documents public - and the final version of them
should be checked into Git.


It has also been suggested that Google Wave may be useful for the
student-mentor discussions. I'm not sure about this (the Google Wave
interface always gives me this ... is this supposed to be usable yet?
feeling), but you can try this for yourself. Please note that it seems
to be impossible to access Waves without a Google Wave account, unlike
public Google docs.


Git Access
--

Source code is maintained in Git. In order to push changes back into the
repository, you need a Git account.

Follow the instructions at http://live.gnome.org/NewAccounts in order to
get the account. If you need assistance, ask your mentor or join us on
IRC at #gimp on irc.gimp.org

Whether your want to work in a branch or stick to master and keep
rebasing should be decided by mentor and student.


Short presentation for LGM
--

It would be nice to have a short presentation of each project for LGM -
only a few slides per project. The main goal is to provide some facts to
anyone who's interested in GIMP's and GEGL's SoC projects, although
these could also be shown in a lightning talk.



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Re: [Gimp-developer] I hava a dream:if GIMP can do WebService

2010-05-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 09.05.2010 03:56, Hades wrote:

 If GIMP can do WebService ,

It is a rather simple task to get the basic GIMP functionality - i.e.
everything the gimp class offers - to work with Python's SimpleXMLRPCServer.

See http://registry.gimp.org/node/10 for a very basic example. In order
to become useful, many convenience functions will have to be added.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Fwd: GIMP @ LGM 2010

2010-05-07 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Joao S. O. Bueno gwid...@mpc.com.br

 I think I have seen no e-mail on this list about LGM 2010 - it is due
 in a couple weeks.

That's because everything has been discussed on IRC - the participants are 
registered, two talks and one lightning talk have been proposed, everyone has 
travel and hotel booked, ...

... and we've agreed on handling reimbursement with GIMP money.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Procedure for updating gimp.org

2010-05-04 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Sven Neumann s...@gimp.org

 No idea who's in charge of www.gimp.org nowadays. No one I guess...

Mostly the automatic update that's in place there - commit something to the 
gimp-web module, and it'll appear there.

We could even replace the broken news system (not being able to log in due to 
the missing auth config could be the only brokenness, though) by something 
different, e.g. a completely static front page for now.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Invitation to the conference

2010-04-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Николай Шатохин n.shatok...@gmail.com

 In November 2010 the Donetsk National Technical University again
  

 Conference's website: http://csconf.donntu.edu.ua/?lang=en

English and Ukrainian verions only got content for 2009, and the Russian 
version has Applications are accepted until May 20, 2010 - which has passed 
already.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] help:how to use GIMP to Parse PSD

2010-04-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Hades ppm10...@163.com
 
 If I want use GIMP to parse psd file(photoshop file format) in my
 program(C++ or Java),how should I do?

PSD support in GIMP is based on an old version of the PSD format specification 
(the current one is locked away in the Adobe Photoshop SDK and can't be used 
with Free software, in my opinion).

There's also a number of known bugs in regard to PSD support, i.e. do not 
expect that any program will be able to read some PSD files written by GIMP.

 And I Have to read which part of GIMP SourceCode?

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/plug-ins/file-psd

When reusing code from there, pay attention to the license:

the GNU General Public License Version 3 is what grants you permission to use 
the code in the first places, but also enforces the rules you'll have to 
follow. See http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html for an 
introduction.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Invitation to the conference

2010-04-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Jon Senior j...@restlesslemon.co.uk

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010
 
 Applications are accepted until May 20, 2010 - which has passed
 already
 
 Are you sure about that. Here in France we're only on the 30th
 April. :-)

Ah, ok.

Apparently it is not recommended to write about dates if you're currently 
planning meetings for two months ahead...


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Re: [Gimp-developer] project gimp on sourceforge

2010-04-23 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net
 
 Someone has registered gimp on souceforge -
 http://gimp.sourceforge.net/
 
 I see there's a Donate Money link, and a non-working download link,
 both of which may be harmful; maybe it's worth asking
 sourceforge for this not-gimp project to be deleted?

For the moment, yes.

We could consider to establish a home page there (although we will most likely 
not use any of their other ressources), so I'll look into blocking that url for 
future use.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Mentors, rank the proposals

2010-04-13 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

multiple important deadlines for Google Summer of Code happen on April 21:

0700 UTC : all mentors have to be signed up and assigned to the
proposal(s) they want to handle

1700 UTC : ranking has to be finished

An IRC meeting to resolve any double accepts for students will follow
after that.

So it is important that you clearly mark your favorite proposals by
giving them a positive score.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Mentor Request from GNOME Outreach Program for Women

2010-04-13 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

we've been approached on the #gimp channel by Marina Zhurakhinskaya from
the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. She has helped GSoC applicants
with their applications and is currently looking for a mentor for the
following project:

Abstract:

Image editors overwrite originals of an image file with modified
versions, causing originals to be lost by default, or clutter up folders
with original and modified images. Some make copies of images and
organise them in a predefined unalterable manner (e.g. date taken). This
causes loss of originals and messy photo collections. The system being
proposed would allow the user to modify images in any folder, and allow
any modified image to be reverted back to its original unmodified version.

Full version (minus personal data of the student, of course):

http://www.fpaste.org/qLNt/raw/



If you are interested in commenting on or mentoring this application,
then please sign up as a mentor with the GNOME organization. But keep in
mind that ranking of the proposals is currently underway, so don't wait
too long:

http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/apply_mentor/google/gsoc2010


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Possible Future of ScriptFu/TinyFu with R6RS/Racket

2010-04-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Alexia Death alexiade...@gmail.com

 2010/4/8 Aurimas Juška aurimas.ju...@gmail.com:
  I believe most users write script-fu scripts to automate commonly
  repeated steps. Therefore, it would be even better to complete action
  framework so that user could record commonly used action sequences and
  play them from GUI.
 
 I think script-fu would be ideal for such use. If you could record an
 action, and then optionally convert it to a full script a lot of
 convenience and ease of automation would be added.

Writing out recorded actions in any language shouldn't be the problem...


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Reminder: 21 hours left for applying

2010-04-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
See http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline for the countdown

Apply at http://socghop.appspot.com/


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Student applications can be submitted, mentors please sign up

2010-04-05 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

the student application period for Google Summer of Code 2010 is on.
Applications can be submitted until 2010-04-09, 19:00 UTC

1. Students
---

To apply, visit http://socghop.appspot.com/ and follow the instructions.


2. Mentors
--

Sign up at
http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/apply_mentor/google/gsoc2010 and pay
attention to your notifications.


3. Next important dates
---

2010-04-09, 19:00 UTC : Student application period ends

2010-04-21, 07:00 UTC : All mentors have to be signed up, all viable
proposals have to have a mentor assigned

2010-04-21, 17:00 UTC : Application scoring period ends


GIMP  GEGL GSoC home page:
---

http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/gimp


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] GIMP has been accepted for Google Summer of Code 2010

2010-03-18 Thread Michael Schumacher
Good news for GIMP and GEGL:

The list of accepted organizations for Google Summer of Code 2010 is
published, and the GNU Image Manipulation Program is accepted:

 * http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010
 * http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2010/gimp


We have two mentors:

 * Alexia Death (IRC nick: Alexia_Death or Death)
 * Martin Nordholts (IRC nick: Enselic)


Our ideas list is at:

 * http://docs.google.com/View?id=dfbrn6hs_12c7h97fdc

Please note that we're looking for students with some software
development experience this year. The requirements are listed for each idea.


Next steps
==

Student applications can be submitted at http://socghop.appspot.com as
of March 29, 2010

See the GSoC 2010 Program FAQ for any questions regarding the
application process and the time line:

 *
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs
 *
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/timeline


P.S.

Please note that even though you you can't submit any application form
until March 29, it's a good idea to get in contact with us as soon as
possible - either on the gimp-developer mailing list (replies to this
mail will go there by default) or our IRC channel #gimp on the server
irc.gimp.org


Happy and successful GSoC 2010,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Wiki down.

2010-01-23 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 23.01.2010 10:46, Jon Senior wrote:
 Having discussed here the possibility of helping out with wiki admin, I've 
 spent the last week or two attempting to set up an account. Attempting 
 because wiki.gimp.org is not responding. I did query this in my original 
 email on the subject, attempts to ping it return:
 
 From soda-10g-edge.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (169.229.59.242) icmp_seq=2 
 Destination Host Unreachable
 
 I can't find any references in Bugzilla

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600757


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-12-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
Ismael Barros² wrote:

 We would also need some admin/treasurer to give him access to the
 sales and donations figures in our site.

Is there any reason why this information should not be public?


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Quicktorials

2009-11-19 Thread Michael Schumacher
Robert Martinez wrote:

 My question concerns the identifier that links the functional part of 
 the application to the video:
 
 How do you think such an ID should look like?

Completely customizable (preferably by the application maintainers, too)
within a dedicated namespace for each application. Aliases should be
possible.

For GIMP, the help id that's used for the context help might be part of
the ID.

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[Gimp-developer] www.gimp.org/ircd.gimp.org outage

2009-11-03 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

as some of you may already have noticed, there's a problem with
www.gimp.org and ircd.gimp.org. Both hosts are currently unreachable.
As far as I know, both services run on the same machine, so it isn't
surprising that both are not available.

We don't yet know what's causing this (although we've planted some
rumors to spare everyone the need to come up with their own).

I'm currently waiting for feedback from the server admin.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.7 tarball

2009-10-27 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com

 Maybe a better question is When could I expect to see a 2.7.1
 tarball? since, if I read http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gimp/tree/NEWS
 correctly, there is a 2.7.1

You're not reading it correctly. This file is in Git, news items are added 
until 2.7.1 is released - and one of the first steps afterwards it to add a 
Changes in GIMP 2.7.2 headline to that file.

 Or will the 2.7.1 tarball only be generated once dev switches to 2.7.2?

The tarball will be generated when 2.7.1 is released. 


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Progressive escalation of help

2009-10-25 Thread Michael Schumacher
Sven Neumann wrote:

 IMO you are making a problem here that does not any longer exist. Not
 having a release of the user manual for 2.6 was indeed a problem, but
 that has finally been solved recently. Instead of complaining we should
 thank the GIMP documentation team for their hard work. And we should
 thank Jernej for providing installers for the user manual.

The installers are created with Inoosetup, and this tools allows
downloadable parts. I've used this once for a small utility which was
updated frequently. This happened in a controlled environment, though.

I would rather see an additional page in the current installer than an
installer that's double or triple the current size.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] The mailing list uptime; ask GNOME to host?

2009-10-22 Thread Michael Schumacher
Martin Nordholts wrote:

 It is exactly that that is our root problem, we don't have such an admin. One
 way to solve this is to move the list to a place that has sysadmins.

A place like XCF at Berkeley?

Contrary to popular belief, the mailing list server is not located in
yosh's bedroom.

I've mailed Vadim Kogan for the past two issues (expired SSL certificate
and the recent outage), and he responded and fixed the problems quickly,
even over a weekend.


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[Gimp-developer] Test

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Schumacher

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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Mentor Summit

2009-09-16 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

there will be a gathering of (some of) the mentors of this year's Summer of 
Code on October 24/25 at Google's Headquarters in Mountain View.

Each organization may send two mentors. Gerald has already expressed that he 
wants to be there (he's living one hour away from there), so it looks like we 
have one place left. 

Google provides reimbursement for the travel costs (up to 2000 USD for flights, 
to be precise) and pays for the hotel rooms (shared, two beds each).

The wiki page of the summit - http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/2009 - has 
more details.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries

2009-09-07 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: David G. for...@gimpusers.com

 In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7
 crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee.

Nvidia has corrected the bug in at least some of their drivers, you might want 
to check for updates. I think that it had been XP in the cases I've read about, 
though.

On a side note, I had a very hard time convincing users that this kind of 
problem (display flickers when using a selection in GIMP with a very specific 
Nvidia card, and others don't have the same problem) is something that should 
be reported to Nvidia. They insisted that the problem has to be in GIMP...

Don't be afraid to send reports about bug you've encountered to any company, 
insitution, service, ... . If they never hear about it, they can't fix it.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature

2009-08-31 Thread Michael Schumacher
Bill Skaggs wrote:

 To clarify the issue here, some names, such as PhotoShop and Linux,
 are trademarked and require permission in order to be used.  Gimp,
 however, is not trademarked, so no permission is needed.

Hm... http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/TrademarkGuidelines


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP plugin for windows

2009-08-17 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Matthias Röttger mat...@gmail.com

 Hello folks,
 One of my colleagues needs the “DBP” (David’s Batch Processor) for
 GIMP.
 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html
 
 I was not able to compile the source on windows XP professional.

1.1.8 is available as a precompiled binary from the same page.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Final evaluations have started, deadline 2009-08-24 19:00 UTC

2009-08-17 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

there's one week to go in this year's Summer of Code - the final
evaluations have started and are due on 2009-08-24 19:00 UTC.

You can continue to work on your code, and we'd be very happy if you
continue working on it after SoC. But please discuss with your mentor if
they'd like some specific state to be tagged for evaluation purposes.

I'm looking forward to the final results and want to thanks all
participants for their efforts during the program.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Layers and possible space for performance improvement in GIMP

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com

 What I wonder is if GIMP could someday get advantage dynamically, 
 automatically and in a transparent manner to the user of autocropping 
 extra borders from layers (without manual intervention) in order improve 
 performance when large canvases and many layers (the normality in 
 creative works, not so much when only retouching photos) are used.

There's a long discussion about this in 
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93639

I'm not sure how much of this will change within a GEGL tree, so parts of this 
discussion could already be obsolete.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] 10 days to go...

2009-08-06 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

we're getting close to the end of Google Summer of Code 2009.

The firm end is on August 17, the suggested end of coding is August 10 - the 
last week should be used for testing and bugfixing.



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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP windows installer sources?

2009-07-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Grigory Petrov eyeofh...@me.com
 
 Is it ay way to look at GIMP windows installer source code? I have found
 an unsusual bug: if python is installed unattended (python.msi -i -q) GIMP
 windows installer will not allow to install GIMP python extensions.

Python is not enough, you need PyGTK and its dependencies. These modules are 
installed as well?


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Show off your (midterm) results

2009-07-21 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

we've got about a month left till the final deadline for Summer of Code
- August 17

While working on your code to reach your goals, you should also think
about how to present the results.
There will be some who are unable to build your code, and if those who
are might not be able to tell what exactly you've done.

If you want to show off your results and present them the best possible
way, you got to do this yourself. Use your blog or a document in the
GSoC web app to tell others about your work, to show examples, do
comparisons, ... Don't hesitate to do the same for your midterm goals.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Requesting survey status reports

2009-07-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

there's a small problem regarding the midterm surveys. The Summer of
Code web site (powered by Melange) does not show the midterm results
to organization administrators. Thus I can't see if you've already
complete the surveys.

Please finish the evaluation in the next few days and let me know about it.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Midterm surveys have begun

2009-07-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
Attention students and mentors,

the midterm surveys for Google Summer of Code 2009 have begun.

Mentors: the results will decide about the fate of student's projects.


Please log in to http://socghop.appspot.com/ and follow the survey links in the 
navigation bar on the left.

The deadline for the survey is July 13 at 19:00 UTC.


If you have any questions or comments, please post to the gimp-developer or 
gegl-developer lists. If you feel that your inquiry should not be handled in 
public, feel free to mail me directly.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] WANTED: Automated GIMP for Printer

2009-07-02 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Andy for...@gimpusers.com
 
 I need Gimp to be the ONLY program running in the system (eg Ubuntu or
 others). It's like an embedded system, which launches GIMP whenever it's
 powered up. It'll accept input IMAGE from other PC in the network and also
 the parameters needed. Then, GIMP will process the image according to the
 parameters given and PRINT via Gutenprint to the printer connected.

Why GIMP and not one of the other apps (convert, mogrify, ...) that would seem 
to be better suited for this kind of parameter-driven image processing?


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] GIT commit messages

2009-07-01 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

I'm seeing the first commit to soc-2009-* branches. According to 
http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gimp/, two branches have been added already, and at 
least one other is in preparation.

However, please make your commit messages meaningful. I've seen some commits 
that do only use a rather obscure version number. 

The commit messages should use a format like

---

[tag] Short explanation of the commit

Longer explanation explaining exactly what's changed, whether any
external or private interfaces changed, what bugs were fixed (with bug
tracker reference if applicable) and so forth. Be concise but not too brief.

---

Talk to your mentors about the optional tags, they might want you to use 
special ones depending on what the commit covers.

See also http://live.gnome.org/Git/CommitMessages


P.S. Keep in mind that midterm sruveys do start next week.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Scrolling of font field in text tool.

2009-06-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
vabijou2 wrote:

 If there is a better way to use the current tool, I'm open to advice.

Roll over the sample button (which does also open the font selection
dialog).


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Midterm project evaluations coming up

2009-06-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

on July 6, the midterm evaluations open - and the mentors will have until July 
12 to evaluate the progress of their students, and decide whether this is 
enough to

 - let them continue in GSoC
 - make Google pay the first half of the SoC stipends

Mentors and students, please do agree on the desired midterm goals for your 
projects, and present them on the gimp-developer list.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] hackmeeting @milan 19-21 June 2009

2009-06-05 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Carlo Frinolli|nois3lab ca...@nois3lab.it

 Il giorno 03/giu/09, alle ore 18:21, Carlo Frinolli|nois3lab ha scritto:
 
  Here's the website
 
  http://it.hackmeeting.org
 
  and the wiki on which we're planning the meeting
 
  http://www.hackmeeting.org/_wiki/
 
 
  Down here some info about hackmeeting.
 
 I just wrote again in inkscape mailing list too.
 Anyone?

I'd guess that some people are trying to figure out if your are interested in 
getting non-Italian speakers there at all, given that the wikiis  all-Italian 
and the default for hackmeeting.org is Italian, too...


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Request for Status Reports

2009-06-03 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

I'd like to see a short status report from each of our SoC mentors.

We're now one week into SoC coding, and I want to be sure that everything is 
going as you expect - or if it does not, I'd like to be able to supply you with 
any assistance you need.

Please do reply on the list, or mail me in private if you think that your 
message is not appropriate for a public audience.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] HSL Color Picker

2009-05-31 Thread Michael Schumacher
Christian wrote:

 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=584338

A bit more text than just pasting a Bugzilla link would be nice.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] sorry

2009-05-28 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com

 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Esteban Barahona wrote:
  i didn't felt welcomed in your open source project.
  you lost 1 very valuable hacker...
 
 That's what I heard from you two or three years ago in the Inkscape
 developers list. Not a single sensible contribution and lots of
 pointless emotions.

Ah, it's good to see such mails put into the correct perspective.

 Best of luck to you.

Let's hope that this luck does induce changes that will spare other projects 
from his current attitude :)


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Things to do until May 23

2009-05-02 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

on May 23, the official coding for Summer of Code does start.

On this date - or, preferably, some time before this date - everyone
involved in Summer of Code for GIMP and GEGL should have assembled a
working build environment for the current versions.

This does involve using Git - which can be quite a change for someone
who is used to other revision control systems. And depending on your
platform, getting a compiler and all dependencies installed can be some
challenge as well.

Now is also the time to get your project plans into their final shape.
Work with your mentor to set milestones and the corresponding dates.

Mentors and students, please work together on achieving these goals.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Background color property for GIMP images

2009-04-27 Thread Michael Schumacher
yahvuu wrote:

 And i'm not aware of a raster file format which features that concept.

PNG. http://www.w3.org/TR/PNG/#11bKGD


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP git - example workflows from some of our longer-term git users?

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Nils Philippsen n...@tiptoe.de

 On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 19:56 +0200, Martin Nordholts wrote:
  I don't think there is a need to reiterate a how-to on this mailing list
  for how to work with git. It should be quite enough to read:
  http://live.gnome.org/Git/Developers
  
  and other git resources on the web. GIMP will not have a super-special 
  workflow with regards to git. In fact, there is no workflow set in stone
  yet, we will have to experiment to wee what works and what doesn't.
 
 Just a caveat since this isn't mentioned on the web page: Rebasing
 changes on a branch modifies history, so don't rebase changes that are
 publicly visible. Use rebasing only for your private changes which you
 haven't pushed yet.

See, it's things like that that I would like to see mentioned more frequently 
and accompanied by the actual git commands (if possible).


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[Gimp-developer] GIMP git - example workflows from some of our longer-term git users?

2009-04-20 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

as you may have noticed (or will notice soon, at least when svn does become 
more and more outdated), GNOME is moving its source code repository from SVN to 
GIT.

GIT should be available on all major platforms - via the package managers of 
most Linux distributions, and installers for Mac OS X 
(http://code.google.com/p/git-osx-installer/) and Microsoft Windows 
(http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/)

However, most people will be inexperienced with using git, especially if they 
try to follow the best practice of a distributed revision control system - 
having 'git pull' tell you that it doesn't know what to pull from isn't that 
reassuring, at least.

So we need an example workflow from someone who is already comfortable with 
git. A description that starts right at the first 'git clone' and includes the 
creation of a local branch(?), and the committing changes for others to see.

This will be interesting especially for Summer of Code, as we usually want to 
have students their own branches, but preferably not local ones.



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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] List of accepted students announced

2009-04-20 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

Google has announced the official list of students accepted for Summer
of Code 2009. They are listed on the organizations' pages, linked from
http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009


For GIMP  GEGL, the six accepted projects are:


Title:   Better nonlinear resampler with built-in antialiasing (GEGL)
Student: Adam Turcotte
Mentor:  Nicolas Robidoux

Title:   Fast Adaptive Resampler Tailored For Transformations Which 
 Mostly Downsample (GEGL)
Student: eric daoust
Mentor:  Nicolas Robidoux

Title:   Improve Foreground Selection Tool
Student: Jie Ding
Mentor:  Gerald Friedland

Title:   OpenGL GPU-based Buffer  Operations in GEGL
Student: Jerson Michael Perpetua
Mentor:  Martin Nordholts

Title:   Proposal - Advanced GUI for brush dynamics (GIMP)
Student: Zhenfeng Zhao
Mentor:  Kaja Liiv

Title:   Performance tools and study of GEGL
Student: Henrik Akesson
Mentor:  john cupitt


Congratulations to all students who are accepted. Keep up the good work
during your projects!


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GSoC: good job Michael

2009-04-19 Thread Michael Schumacher
Nicolas Robidoux wrote:

 I just want to let everyone know that many organizations fell into an
 unintended trap having to do the Melange software used by Google to
 manage the application process, trap in which Michael Schumacher, our
 GSoC admin, did NOT fall.

This was s not a trap for anyone who did read the socghop user guide
at least once and paid attention to the mentors list and the #gsoc channel.

I do not blame any org for failing to assign mentors in time - everyone
can make mistakes. But I am disappointed by those orgs which came up
with attempts to justify or excuse their mistake on the soc mentors list.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GSoC: good job Michael

2009-04-19 Thread Michael Schumacher
Nicolas Robidoux wrote:

 I just want to let everyone know that many organizations fell into an
 unintended trap having to do the Melange software used by Google to
 manage the application process, trap in which Michael Schumacher, our
 GSoC admin, did NOT fall.

... and no, this message does not mean that Melange is malware and/or
does spread viruses.

WTF?, you may ask...

Someone seems to have read Nicolas' message this way and did ask on #gsoc.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] About futures features

2009-04-15 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Eduardo Barijan eduwb.horizo...@gmail.com

 Hello, it´s me again.
 
 I was thinking this time about 3 new other features that Gimp could have:

Hi Eduardo,

please have a look at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=GIMP, in 
particular the enhancement proposals. (384 currently; linked from the  column 
at the right).

I think that all that you have suggested is already listed there (maybe except 
the hide/show, but IMO that is a natural byproduct of having layer folders).

It is good that you did post here instead of just filing a new request at 
Bugzilla - new features do usually require discussion first.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Number of SoC projects and project status

2009-04-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

I've received a few mails from students asking about the status of their 
applications, and whether the lack of public comments does indicate if they 
have been rejected or are ineligible.

I'd like to reply as follows:

Number of projects
--

Currently, GIMP has been given five slots for students projects by Google. Six 
of our mentors have found suitable projects among the proposals, and thus I 
have asked Google for an additional slot. 

All available slots have been distributed, however, so getting an additional 
one does depend on other orgs donating slots back - and Google's preference is 
to rather give organizations with less than five slots additional ones.

Assume that we get five slots and have selected five projects out of 43.


Status of applications
--

We didn't add many public comments to any proposal. The existence or lack of 
public comments does not tell anything about the status, unless one of the 
comments does mention it explicitly. All applications have been reviewed.

Yesterday, Martin has posted our current favorites. 

We are currently waiting for the duplicate resolution meeting tomorrow on April 
15 (this is where students applied to more than one organizations do get 
assigned to one of them). After that, our favorites list should be mostly 
final. 

Google will announce the official list of accepted students on April 20. Until 
then, nothing is really fixed.

We've only had very few applications (6 out of 49) that were ineligible - some 
because they did not contain anything we asked for in our application template, 
and some because their topic was totally out of our scope.



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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] (Almost) final slot count, final project ranking

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

Leslie Hawthorn just posted the almost final slot allocations (only
going to change if some orgs to donate slots back at last minute). I've
asked for another slot, but I'm not too confident that anything will change.

So let's works on the assumption that we do get the five slots that are
listed there.

We need five definite favorites (Martin has started to adjust their
score) - please agree on only one of the SIOX projects. We do also need
a few runner-ups in case of possible conflicts with other orgs.

The rankings have to be done before April 15.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] [GSoC] (Almost) final slot count, final project ranking

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Schumacher
Martin Nordholts wrote:
 Leon Brooks wrote:
 On Tuesday 00:04:41 Martin Nordholts wrote:
   
 Let's have this as a base for discussion.
 
 My top would be Brush Dynamics, followed by Dynamic
 Resampler.
 
 I should add that I didn't sort the projects in any particular order in 
 my list

... and that nothing is final until Google does announce the accepted
students on April 20.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Assigning mentors to projects

2009-04-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

I've seen that most of the student applications have been reviewed by now., and 
some mentors did select their favorites already.

It would be nice if we could assign mentors as soon as possible - this will 
help us to detect possible conflicts with other orgs, and will show Google that 
we are really up to the projected slot count.

So if you haven't rated yet, please do so now. If you've already made up your 
mind about the projects you'd like to mentor, then please add a private comment 
that does tell this unambiguously. If you consider mentoring n out of m 
projects (m=n), then please add this information to the comment all the 
projects that are involved.


Thanks for contributing,
Michael


P.S. Please note that the default setting for comments has been switched from 
private to public.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP-Python

2009-04-07 Thread Michael Schumacher
Andrei Simion wrote:

 Does anybody know where I can download GIMP-Python from? Our sysadmin 
 says that whatever he found on the Internet does not work.

What did he find, and why does it not work?


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Attention, mentors!

2009-04-04 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

thanks for taking the task to guide our students through Summer of Code.

Please start reviewing and ranking the application now - private reviews
go with the ranking and are visible to other mentors, public reviews are
visible to the students, too.

Besides the comments, please tell me how many students you are able to
mentor. This could be 0 (help with review and ranking), 1 (should be the
default) or 2 (I don't think that anyone should take more than two).

Google does want an estimate of the projects during next week, and they
are also looking forward to collect some statistical information about
the applications.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Student application deadline TODAY, 19:00 UTC

2009-04-03 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

there is about 4:25 hours left until the student application period for this 
year's Summer of Code will be over. 

For a countdown, see 
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?day=3month=04year=2009hour=19

If you want to apply for GIMP - or any other oganization - do so now at 

http://socghop.appspot.com/student/apply/google/gsoc2009


After the deadline, our mentors will be looking at the applications and may 
request more information. Pay attention to the comments that are made to your 
application and reply to them. And please do not freak out if you do not start 
to getting comments at 19:00 UTC sharp, we have to read what you wrote after 
all.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Best way to run task at startup?

2009-04-01 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Frank de Lange gim...@unternet.org

 I'm looking for the best/easiest/most reliable way to run a task at Gimp 
 startup. The idea is to run the task once Gimp is up and running, with 
 all windows rendered and ready. The task at hand is this one:
 
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=852395
 
 [ HOWTO: autohide GIMP dock windows using gnome panel ]

Does the author of this thread know about the uses of the Tab key in GIMP or 
the window-management utility devilspie? I would have expected both of these 
options to be mentioned at least.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] A very simple feature that would be very nice...

2009-03-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Hadrien G. guydeloinb...@yahoo.fr
 
 Playing with gimp lately, I've been thinking that it would be nice to be 
 able to save the toolbox state (and maybe other things related to 
 dockable window placement) in profiles.

See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151538

IIRC, GIMP can already be run started with different session profiles (see the 
--session command line parameter). A way to switch sessions from within GIMP 
may be useful.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About 4 days till student application deadline

2009-03-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

there are still a few days left until Friday May 3, 19:00 UTC.
At that time, the SoC web application will switch student applications
to read-only and new applications can't be submitted anymore.

This means that:

Students:
-

If you didn't submit your application yet, please do so now. Otherwise
all the applications that are already submitted might get a head-start.

BTW, a useful suggestion has come up on the #gsoc IRC channel (on
Freenode) today: while editing your applications won't be possible after
the deadline, the basic functionality of the web application will
continue to work. This includes creating documents.

If you create one for each of your applications and reference it there,
you'll have a convenient way to add and edit information after the deadline.

Remember: deadline is May 3, 19:00 UTC


Mentors:


Please browse the applications that are currently available and comment
on them - either public (this makes application editable for the
students) or in private if you'd like to request the opinion of other
mentors.


Would-be mentors  people interested in ranking applications:
-

Sign up and apply as mentors to GIMP. If you think that I might not be
able to recognize your name there, then please post on the
gimp-developer list first (I've already rejected two mentor applications
because no one was able to identify the people what did try to sign up).

If you do mention some possible mentors in either the ideas wiki page or
mails, then please make sure that they do know about this. Either get
them to sign up or provide me with their mail address, so that I'm able
to contact them. I've seen at least two names that aren't appearing on
the signed up mentors yet.

If you want to help with the application ranking, then sign up as well -
no one force you to mentor. Your input will be invaluable, though (neo,
mitch, yosh; yes, this is about you :)


Deadline for mentor sign up and ranking is May 15, 07:00 UTC



Links:
--

Timeline:
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline

FAQ:
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs

GIMP  GEGL ideas page:
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/SummerOfCode2009ideas



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Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About 4 days till student application deadline

2009-03-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
Michael Schumacher wrote:
 Hi,
 
 there are still a few days left until Friday May 3, 19:00 UTC.

Friday APRIL 3, 19:00 UTC, of course

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Re: [Gimp-developer] New features that should be nice

2009-03-29 Thread Michael Schumacher
Eduardo Barijan wrote:

 Hello Gimp coders!
 I was thinking about 2 new features that would help a lot.
 
 1 - the auto-save job. When you`re working and gimp crashes, your work
 is lost =x. If not a auto-save, a .bak file that you can save as xcf for
 recover work should be fine too.

See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138373

This lists some of the issues related to auto-save; the last few
comments in particular.

 2 - An option to save custom collor palettes. Yes, sometimes you are
 working on a big draw. Then when you finish a bit of the work and closes
 gimp, the color pallete you were working is lost. And it is very boring
 to keep note of any hexa code for colors.

There are a number of enhancement requests about palettes. I guess that
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346884 might be an interesting
one. But maybe that is not what you want, your complaint is a bit unclear.


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] GIMP has been accepted into Google Summer of Code 2009

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

we have been selected by Google for this year's Summer of Code. Many thanks to 
them, we're appreciating this greatly. 

Now it is our task to make the most out of this opportunity, both for our 
projects and the students who will be applying for them.


Administrators  Mentors:

- sign up at http://socghop.appspot.com and
- check your notifications and/or
- apply to become a mentor

Also, please check if the projects you'd like to mentor are listed at 
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/SummerOfCode2009ideas, and make sure that their 
descriptions are useful.

I'd like you to be around on IRC and the mailing lists as much a possible in 
the next few days, because you're the best sources of information for students 
who are interested in our projects. If you've already got candidates, please 
make sure that they check the program FAQ for  - 
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs, 
especially the parts about eligibility: 
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#age_limits


Students:

Join our min IRC channel #gimp on irc.gimp.org (http://www.gimp.org/irc.html) 
and our gimp-developer mailing list (http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html). Use 
these places to introduce yourself (briefly), and start to discuss the projects 
you'd like to - either one of our suggestions, or your own ideas. 


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] List of accepted organizations due tomorrow

2009-03-17 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

the list of accepted organizations for Google summer of Code 2009 is due 
tomorrow, on March 18. If you can't wait until then and need something to do 
right now, then:

- visit http://socghop.appspot.com/
- click on the Sign in link in the top-right corner (you do need a Google 
account for this)

The system will then ask you to create a user profile (if you wonder what the 
link id is supposed to be, then treat it like a username that will become 
part of the urls you do create; I did use schumaml).

If signing in does seem to fail, then try to reload the page, or go to the 
Report bugs link and then back and do a reload. This seems to work for me.

If we are accepted, then you will be able to apply to the GIMP organization as 
mentors (immediately) and students (a bit later). I will post status reports 
and reminders as mails on both mailing lists.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-10 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: hOSHI mutenho...@gmail.com
 
 Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
  
  Customization is overrated.
  
 Then why can i define my own window and statusbar format in gimp?
  ;]

There have been comments that there's too much information shown there, and 
most of it isn't needed, so imagine what might change in that regard... :)


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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Logo, Flyer, FAQ, Timeline, Project Proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

the start of Google's Summer of Code is getting closer.

They have published:

1. Official logos


http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocLogos

I'm planning to add a news item to www.gimp.org once they do provide
scaled-down versions of their logos that can be used there.


2. Flyers


http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers

Already translated into a number of languages, but any help to get them
translated even more - and of course get them spread  - is appreciated.


3. Program FAQ


http://code.google.com/intl/de-DE/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html

Useful information, especially for people who have not been involved in
the past years. Including the...


4. Program Timeline


http://code.google.com/intl/de-DE/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_

For potential mentors: this means that you should be reachable for your
students starting from at least end of April to end of August. Holidays
are possible, of course, if this is know to either one of you and
preferably other people (like organization admins) as well.


5. Project Proposals


Our project proposals page is at
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/SummerOfCode2009ideas

Before you add anything there, please drop by at the #gimp IRC channel
(irc://irc.gimp.org/#gimp, http://www.gimp.org/irc.html) for a quick
reality check regarding the proposed project - the developers will
usually be able to tell if something is too trivial, too complex, too
weird (as most of my ideas) or suitable for Summer of Code



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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on a Commercial CD-Rom ?

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Jackson Tam j...@sditech.com
 
 3. Is the 2007 GPL the most current?

The most current version of the GNU GPL is version 3, but for the current 
stable version of GIMP 2.6.x, GNU GPL version 2 does apply:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html
 
 4. And lastly, do I need to contact anyone else besides you? (The
 company I work for is a bit afraid of GPL's since there is no direct
 contact person. So we want to cover all bases).

Please do yourself a favor and read about the GNU GPL a bit more. 
The questions above indicate that you might have heard about it, but do not 
know what it really is yet.

The FAQ might be very interesting for you:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.html


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on a Commercial CD-Rom ?

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Alpár Jüttner al...@cs.elte.hu

 By the way, isn't it enough to publish it on the net? E.g. one could
 provide a link to the gimp website for the original source, plus publish
 their modification on their own website (or include only these parts on
 the CD)?

This is handled by the FAQ:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.html#SourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites

The GNU GPL FAQ is a must-read for anyone who does want to distribute GNU 
(L)GPL software, and a should-read for anyone who does engage in discussions 
about this topic. :)


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on a Commercial CD-Rom ?

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Schumacher

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:05:58 +
 Von: Alpár Jüttner al...@cs.elte.hu
 An: Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de
 CC: gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU
 Betreff: Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on a Commercial CD-Rom ?

 
   By the way, isn't it enough to publish it on the net? E.g. one could
   provide a link to the gimp website for the original source, plus
 publish
   their modification on their own website (or include only these parts
 on
   the CD)?
  
  This is handled by the FAQ:
 
 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.html#SourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites
 
 That text is just as fussy as the whole GPL license. It may be because
 of my poor English, 

The GNU GPL is available in several translation, see 
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-translations.html

Some of the sites might also offer translations of the FAQ, I didn't check this 
though.


 but even after reading it twice, I have no idea if
 it is legal for example (assuming I made some extension to GIMP)

   * to sell a CD with my version of GIMP and provide the its source
 on my web-site.

This is covered by an FAQ entry:

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DistributeWithSourceOnInternet

GNU GPL v3 does make this legal; it's also common for GNU GPL v2 software, but 
you are required to ship the source by other means if someone requests this.


   * to provide the source of my changes on my site, add a link to
 GIMP website without any agreement, but periodically check if
 gimp.org and the gimp project is alive, and publish the source
 on my site only if they are dead.

No.

See 
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DistributingSourceIsInconvenient

It's in your own best interest to provide the source. Otherwise you're 
unnecessarily providing leverage to someone who might be looking for a reason 
to get your company into legal trouble.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Using parasites in script-fu

2009-01-30 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com

 Any other suggestion?

Please do not put your replies above the fully quoted messages you're replying 
to. Thanks.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] N-Trig Tablet Functinality

2009-01-29 Thread Michael Schumacher
Nick Caylor wrote:

 I believe the N-Trig has SDKs available for download.  The reason I
 bring this up is because there are very limited commercial options for
 N-trig pressure sensitivity recognition - Adobe and JASC/Corel do not
 support N-Trig, and while there are some sketch pad programs that do,
 nothing with the functionality that GIMP provides exist.  Would it be
 possible to add this feature to GIMP?  

Adding support for tablets is done in GTK+.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343773 might be interesting
for you. Please note that all new features need someone who codes them
(hint).


HTH,
Michael

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Using parasites in script-fu

2009-01-29 Thread Michael Schumacher
Rob Antonishen wrote:

 This could be a problem with tinyscheme and parasites.

AFAIK you can only attach string values as parasites with Script-Fu.


Michael

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Re: [Gimp-developer] [Patch] Opening, color correcting and saving 16-bits-per-channel PNGs

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Hal V. Engel hven...@astound.net

 I think Martin's proposal has merit.  I know that comparisons to 
 Photoshop are to some extent considered off topic here but in this 
 case I will do it because the history of Photoshop has some parallels.  
 The approach that Martin is advocating (IE. having high bit depth 
 support for loading, saving and some color correction operations) is 
 how the first versions of Photoshop with high bit depth support 
 worked.

We do not want the frustrating partial support of Photoshop, we want 
everything from the start has been the decision in the last discussion about 
this topic, IIRC.


HTH,
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[Gimp-developer] [GSoC] Google Summer of Code 2009

2009-01-19 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi,

Google has announced that they are going to do the Google Summer of Code
program in 2009.

Leslie Hawthorn - readers of the SoC mailing list will know about her -
has suggested that organizations should start to announce whether they
are going to apply this year.

One of the most important reasons for announcing early is reaching
possible candidates - students who are interested in participating, and
want to know an organization a bit better before committing themselves
to a project.


So, there is at least one thing that will be certain:

GIMP is going to apply for Google Summer of Code again!
===

Beyond this, everything is tentative:

It is fully within our responsibility to come up with a superb
application, mentors (I've already asked a few people on IRC) and
suitable projects.

It is within Google's responsibility to select the organizations with
the best applications.

No time line has been announced yet; the number of organizations and
projects to be accepted is going to be a bit smaller than last year.




As a summary, this is how GSoC went last year:

In 2008, a total of four projects have been completed. They are either
in SVN Trunk already or are currently being added into it.


Three projects for GIMP:

*Improving the text-tool in GIMP by Daniel Eddeland*

 Although the text-tool in GIMP works right now, it could be even
better and more convenient with more functionality. When editing text
you type the text in a dialog instead of on the canvas itself. I found
on-canvas text editing as one of the ideas listed on the GIMP GSoC
ideas page, and thought it would be a good idea to implement, as it
would make the text tool more ergonomic and also look a little better
(less dialogs to keep track off = cleaner interface).


*Enhance Python Scripting Interface Experience  by Lars-Peter Clausen*

 The overall goal of this project is to enhance the python scripting
interface experience for The GIMP.

 As part of this I'll creating binding for gimp objects and
widgets that haven't a binding yet but would be useful to
have in python scripts. I'll also in collaboration with the
community identify other missing or nice to have aspects in
the python scripting interface and then try add them.


*Tagging of GIMP Resources by Aurimas Juska*

 Currently resources such as brushes, gradients, etc are presented to
the user in a single list without a possibility to organize them in any
way. This makes it impossible to deal with large number of resources
efficiently, thus making the GIMP less attractive for both professional
and casual users.

 Adding tags to resources is natural and convenient way for users to
organize their collection of resources so they could quickly find the
ones they want for the specific task and create their own collections
easily.



... and one project for GEGL:

*Operations in Frequency Domain by Zhang Junbo*

 Many of the image processing operations in the spatial domain are very
difficult or even impossible, but in the frequency domain it may be
quite simple. But GEGL, the new framework of GIMP, has not support
operations in frequency domain yet. Therefore, a collection of
operations in frequency domain for GEGL is urgently needed.

 A good framework has been provided in GEGL. Operations(plug-ins) in
frequency domain could be implemented modularly.


Regards,
Michael

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