Re: [Gimp-developer] Question about bundled iBryte GIMP installer

2011-07-14 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, July 14, 2011, 19:34:08, Andrew Brandt wrote:

 -- Have you signed a distribution agreement with this company?

No (but I'm not a core developer - just somebody who happens to
provide the most popular installer for GIMP on Windows).

 -- Are third parties permitted, according to your EULA, to bundle your 
 product this way?

GIMP is licensed under the GNU General Public License, version 2. The
GPL only covers redistribution (not usage, which isn't limited in any
way), which is allowed provided that certain criteria are met -
specifically, anybody receiving the software has to get the same
rights of redistribution, and at the same time also has to be able to
get the source code from the same place where the binary was obtained
(the source code has to match the binary exactly; it also has to be
provided from the same place as the binary, unless the one providing
the binary has an agreement with a 3rd party that's providing the
source code).

Bundling other products is not covered (it's neither forbidden, nor
allowed).

 -- If this company is distributing this software without your
 express, written consent, what steps do you plan to take to put an end to 
 this practice?

They aren't (since no such consent is needed), but unless they don't
provide the source code, nobody will do anything.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] UPDATING VERSIONS

2011-05-20 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, May 20, 2011, 16:11:35, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

 It's usually best to uninstall previous version first.

Not on Windows - just install over the old one.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Developer Boot Camp?

2011-01-28 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, January 28, 2011, 19:08:43, Rob Antonishen wrote:

 I'd just settle for good step by step instruction on getting a windows
 cross compile working.

I posted the instructions to the list some time ago:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.gimp.devel/19202/focus=19203

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Starting to code a plug-in under Windows

2010-10-21 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, October 21, 2010, 2:27:28, Alessandro Francesconi wrote:

 Where I can get i686-pc-mingw32-gcc?

Copy gcc.exe to i686-pc-mingw32-gcc.exe (and do the same for at least
g++.exe, cpp.exe and ld.exe).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Usability of menus

2010-08-10 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 19:32:19, Martin Nordholts wrote:

 Just because some plug-ins are too slow for live preview doesn't mean we
 shouldn't have it for simpler plug-ins. Besides, we can have it for slow
 plug-ins as well, we just do the preview calculations asyncronously. And
 the previews will be small, so it won't take that much time even on slow
 plug-ins.

I really like the way Paint Shop Pro does plug-in previews: by
default, they appear in the plugin settings window (which actually has
two previews side-by-side - current image, and processed image), but
there's also a Preview in image window checkbox next to the preview,
which will show the current settings on the image itself.

Also, when the preview takes too long to compute, a progress bar pops
up with a Cancel button (I think this happens if the calculation is
taking longer than 2 seconds). If you do a preview in the image
window, and then apply the effect without changing anything, the
effect isn't recalculated, but is used as-is.

Another thing that I like in PSP's plugin preview is that when you
drag the preview around, it will never start recalculating the effect
unless you release the mouse button - I hate it how GIMP will
periodically try to update the preview while dragging it, which always
causes me to end up somewhere I didn't want, and will also usually get
the preview stuck in dragging mode even after I released the mouse
pointer. Not updating the preview while the mouse button is held has
another benefit for me: I can easily compare the before/after effect
by simply tapping my mouse button. This is invaluable when cleaning
scanned images, and I need to find a balance between smoothing the
image too much and leaving behind too much moire.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.7.3 Performance

2010-08-10 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 21:47:08, Dave wrote:

 I only use the brush tool, mostly with hard round brushes any size typically
 up to about 25 pixel radius, spacing 10. opacity on. no other brush dynamics
 set. Smaller the brush the better the performance is.

Can you please fix your e-mail client so that it:
- doesn't remove the References and In-Reply-To headers to enable
  proper threading of your messages
- quotes the message you're replying to
- doesn't send HTML when it's completely unnecessary

(also, where did you find GIMP 2.7.3? The latest 2.7 release is 2.7.1)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.7.3 Performance

2010-08-10 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 22:48:33, Alexia Death wrote:

 He cant. He was using the forum client gimpusers has. He probably does not
 have any mail to reply too...

In that case gimpusers should fix their forum client. I'm not that
bothered by the HTML, but having neither threads, nor quotes makes
getting a message context practically impossible.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] window of extenral editor, or just external window ?

2010-07-30 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, July 30, 2010, 17:26:14, Cristian Secară wrote:

 Because GIMP 2.7.1 crashes whenever I try to write any text :p

If you're on Windows, the workaround is to delete Program Files\GIMP 
2.7\etc\gtk-2.0\gtkrc.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Compiling Gimp 2.6.8 under chrooted 32-bit system

2010-07-07 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 21:35:47, Branko Vukelic wrote:

 I'm trying to compile Gimp 2.6.8 on 64-bit Arch Linux using a 32-bit
 chrooted environment to produce i686 packages. However, during the
 make step, following error occurs:

Did you enter chroot using linux32 (or setarch i686)?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.7.1

2010-07-04 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sunday, July 4, 2010, 11:27:35, Alec Burgess wrote:

 One other thing I noticed about the installer is that it does not AFAICT
 allow user to chose where to install but forces to:
 C:\Program Files\GIMP 2.7\ (on WinXP SP3).

 Was this to test some other part of the Win32/Win64 and/or Win7 business
 or just oversight?

The installer actually defaults to Program Files\GIMP 2, but you can
change that if you choose Custom install.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.7.1

2010-07-03 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Saturday, July 3, 2010, 18:13:04, photocomix wrote:

 For not clear reasons the Windows installer of 2.7.1
 force unistall of previous version of gimp

That is correct.

 Apparently no way to skip unistall, or to cancell unistall/install process

Apparently somebody is claiming things without even trying the
installer.

 The point is i can't see any reason to force unistall,

The point is that the new installer combines 32 and 64-bit GIMP in a
common installer, and once it becomes stable, many people will be
upgrading from 32-bit GIMP 2.6 - it would make no sense for these
people to keep both GIMP 2.6 and 2.8 at the same time, so the new
installer removes the old version first. Since this functionality
needs to be tested before it's deployed in the stable installer, it's
forced in the unstable one (the uninstall will be optional, but I
haven't implemented that yet).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.7.1

2010-07-03 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Saturday, July 3, 2010, 22:01:50, photocomix wrote:

 Sergey i tried the installer
 and i could not see how cancel or skip unistalling
 AT THE POINT OF UNISTALLING
 Judging from messages i see here

Once the uninstaller is running, there's no way to cancel it - it
wouldn't make any sense anyway, since some files are already deleted
at that time, and there's no way to bring them back. This is why the
installer displays a warning before it starts. However, since you are
apparently the third person who ignored that dialog, I guess I'll have
to bring the checkbox back.

 Sure?
  most (if not all) of third party plugin are not compiled for 64 bit but only
 for 32 so many may prefer run a 32 bit gimp even if a 64 bit version could be
 available

By default, the 64-bit version installs everything needed to run
32-bit plug-ins as well (in fact, the 64-bit version always uses
32-bit TWAIN plug-in, since the 64-bit one doesn't work).

BTW, please fix your e-mail program so that it doesn't strip Re: from
subject.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Addressing one of the gimp vision items...easy installation of plug-ins

2010-05-14 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, May 14, 2010, 23:00:46, Akkana Peck wrote:

 Writing a file handler like Rob describes sounds easy -- if all you
 care about is script-fu.  The hard part would getting Python and C
 plug-ins installed for users (especially Windows users) who don't
 have Python, PyGTK or a C compiler.

Python and PyGTK+ will be included with GIMP 2.8.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Translating the Windows installer

2010-05-11 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 13:38:30, Cristian Secară wrote:

 Might be InnoSetup use a similar approach ?

It's pretty similar with Inno - there are some official translations
(these ship with Inno Setup itself, and are guaranteed to be correct
by their authors), unofficial translations available on
http://www.jrsoftware.org/files/istrans/ and some strings that are
specific to GIMP's installer.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Translating the Windows installer

2010-05-11 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 15:02:07, Cristian Secară wrote:

 Just in case, if you enable the installer multilingual selection,
 please let me check the (unofficial) translation for Romanian to be
 included for GIMP package.

Before I include any installer translation, I'd like to get the
GIMP-specific strings to be translated, too.

 Question – do you intend to use the Unicode version ?

Yes. Windows 2000 has been a requirement for a while now, so it makes
no sense not to use it.

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[Gimp-developer] Translating the Windows installer

2010-05-10 Thread Jernej Simončič
Windows installer for GIMP has till now always been in English only,
although the installer always shipped with all translations that are
included with GIMP. It would be nice, if the installer was translated
as well, but it uses it's own translation format, which is quite
different from gettext's .po catalogs. What would be the best way to
handle this translation?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and Python

2010-04-15 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, April 15, 2010, 2:26:42, Michael Hansen wrote:

 And my second question: If this is really the case, will
 establishing Python support be simplified in future (by embedding
 native support for Python scripts)?

GIMP 2.8 will optionally include Python and PyGTK+ on Windows.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows snapshot of 2.7 - possible?

2010-04-09 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, April 9, 2010, 12:25:06, David Gowers wrote:

 If not, you don't need to include the source itself; you just need to
 provide a up-to-date link to somewhere the source can be obtained.

Err, no.

 The
 GPL is specific on this point.

Exactly. The GPL (v2 anyway, not sure about v3) requires that you
provide either the sources, or a written assurance that you will
provide the sources to anybody who obtained the binary, which must be
valid for 3 years. IIRC, this was further clarified in the FSF's FAQ
that just linking to some site that happens to have the source right
now is not adequate, unless you've made arrangements with that site.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.7 and Single Window Mode

2010-01-04 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:12:43, Gino D wrote:

 Can you please tell me if what I've read is true or not? And if yes, by
 chance is it somehow possible to test the Single Window Mode within the
 Windows version of GIMP 2.7.0 which at present is available on
 Sourceforge.net?

GIMP 2.7.0 predates the single window mode - you'll have to compile it
from git to get that.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Artistic extensions to Gimp with (Wacom) drawing pad

2009-11-28 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Saturday, November 28, 2009, 19:28:42, Markus Koskimies wrote:

 Joined to #gimp (IRCNet, correct place?). 

Nope, GIMPNet (irc://irc.gimp.org/).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...

2009-10-31 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Saturday, October 31, 2009, 11:50:43, peter sikking wrote:

 what I am missing is a direct way to end the selection state.

I like the way PSP has this implemented: right click anywhere with any
of the selection tools active will dismiss the current selection (I
find having a secondary function bound to the right mouse button much
more useful than a context menu, especially since the context menu in
GIMP duplicates the menu bar).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] The mailing list uptime; ask GNOME to host?

2009-10-20 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 18:22:39, Martin Nordholts wrote:

 What do people think about asking GNOME to host the list [1]? Personally
 I would be fine with that.

As long as it works better, I'm all for it.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries

2009-09-07 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:56:40, David G. wrote:

 In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7
 crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. When
 I activate a selection markee the graphics driver starts to have problems and
 starts to flicker and shortly after that the Nvidia cards reports to me that
 the graphics system has crashed and that it has been recovered.

Are you using the latest drivers from www.nvidia.com? Anyway, even if
you are, this is not GIMP's fault, but a problem in the driver itself.

BTW, there is a GIMP 2.7.0 installer for Windows on SourceForge.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] debugging and print messages in PyGimp for windows

2009-09-01 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 18:16:48, Ryan Krauss wrote:

 So, I have PyGIMP correctly installed in windows (I think).  I am trying to
 port my plug-ins from Linux.  One big annoyance is that print doesn't seem
 to work and error messages that probably go to standard out go no where.  I
 really need those messages to debug.  I tried launching gimp from the
 command line.  Is there some other way?  Where to standard out and standard
 error messages go on windows?

Nowhere, by default. Run gimp-2.6.exe --verbose to get a console,
which should also receive output from plugins.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Scrollwheel actions by default?

2009-07-25 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Saturday, July 25, 2009, 17:57:39, peter sikking wrote:

 if people like you find it smashing to zoom with the scroll-wheel,
 then we should make that an easy preference, but not by default.

I'm all for it - in my experience, the wheel is useless for scrolling
the images (partially because it's limited to single direction only),
but works very nicely for zooming in and out (and if you combine this
with zooming not being centred around the mouse pointer, you get a
nice way to scroll around the image in all directions very quickly by
scrolling the wheel up and down).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] open/save/export

2009-06-10 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 23:01:50, Jay Smith wrote:

 However, I have used a number of other programs where Export is a menu
 item -- and I have not really understood why that Export was offered
 separately.  In those programs, one could Save As to a few dozen
 formats, but had to use Export to accomplish a similar goal to a few
 other formats.

In those programs Export is usually used when the output format is
significantly different from the program's native format (eg. when you
want to create a bitmap from a vector drawing program, or when you
create a PDF - in both of these cases, you wouldn't be able to open
the resulting file in the original program, and edit it like you can
do with the formats that can be saved to; of course, you can edit the
bitmaps you export in GIMP 2.7, so I find this feature annoying).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, May 15, 2009, 21:38:04, Sven Neumann wrote:

 Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that
 the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. If you zoom out too
 far, you can easily zoom back in without loosing the area of interest. I
 think that clearly outweights the lack of context you may get.

I by far prefer the behaviour of PSP - the closer to the edge of image
you zoom, the more the viewport moves in that direction. Makes it
really easy (and fast) to move around the image by just rolling the
wheel up and down (which zooms in and out in PSP, regardless of the
selected tool).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, May 7, 2009, 0:24:12, Martin Nordholts wrote:

 I have been working on implementing the Save + export spec [1] for a while.
 Since it will affect the workflow for basically everyone it would be nice
 with getting some testing and comments before we finalize

I built a Windows installer with this yesterday, and the comments I
got so far are:
- i don't have to try a stupid idea to say that it's a stupid idea
- That's bizarre...
- eww so they going to do it after all?
- why the hell did they do that

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:47:00, David Gowers wrote:

 Fortunately, those all sound more like (kneejerk) reactions than
 comments with any thought to them.

Show me one person outside GIMP developer community that thinks this
is a sane change.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Include python support when compiling for windows in msys?

2009-03-31 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 14:34:49, Rob Antonishen wrote:

 Can anyone suggest how to get python installed under MinGW32/MSYS?

It should work as long as the Python directory is in msys' PATH.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Include python support when compiling for windows in msys?

2009-03-31 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 21:03:51, Rob Antonishen wrote:

 I tried, but msys doesn't seem to see anything outside of its own
 root.  I already have Python 2.5 installed in a separate directory.

You can see all drives through /c, /d etc (even though they don't
appear in root with ls).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK editing (Was: GIMP PDF export plugin)

2009-03-26 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, March 26, 2009, 21:20:53, Cédric Gémy wrote:

 This is very simple : Illustrator CS4 has just implemented a real
 multipage PDF support. 

You mean something that CorelDraw had for years?

Then again, both CorelDraw and Illustrator are vector editing
programs, and having multiple pages in them is natual. GIMP OTOH is
primarily a bitmap editor, and as such multipage support doesn't make
much sense (and wouldn't easily fit in the workflow).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview -- Gimp

2008-11-05 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 21:07:19, Brendan wrote:

 I think it's still confusing. Dropping images onto an image window should open
 images...If dragging onto the layers dialog, it should add them as layers.

I fully expect that dropping images to an image window would add them
as layers...

 It's simple, and honestly, nobody outside of this list really knows or cares
 who Wilbur is or the fact that they have to drag onto eyes.

...while not caring about toolbox Wilber, and still thinking that it
looks like Hey, we forgot to put something here, but I know better
than trying to argue with the UI team.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] (no subject)

2008-10-25 Thread jernej
On Saturday, October 25, 2008, 23:44:13, Tor Lillqvist wrote:

 IMHO pkg-config could well have been designed/defined to work this way
 on Unix, also, but I don't think it can be changed at this stage, in
 case there really are some packages out there where the location of
 the .pc file is not $prefix/{lib,share}/pkconfig.

I'd like to see this happen very much, as it would spare me from
needing to fix the .pc files before I build Gimp :)

BTW, I uploaded the development package (headers and import libraries)
to sourceforge, it's available on the Files page:
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=121075package_id=250052
Hopefully, nothing is missing.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] library recompilation on Windows

2008-09-20 Thread jernej
On Saturday, September 20, 2008, 19:32:01, Mihai Damian wrote:

 the application failed  
 to initialize properly (0xc07b)

This usually means that the .dll file doesn't have Executable ACL set.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] I want to help translating

2008-09-12 Thread jernej
On Friday, September 12, 2008, 13:58:19, Tor Lillqvist wrote:

 The latest one there seems to be from 2006 for GIMP 2.2, though.
 But I assume they have changed since only in details.

Newer install scripts are included directly with Gimp releases, and
there have been some significant changes between 2.2 and 2.4. The
latest script is
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gimp-win/gimp%2Bgtk-install-script-20071026.zip?modtime=1194540692big_mirror=0

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Re: [Gimp-developer] no-image-open redux

2008-03-10 Thread jernej
On Monday, March 10, 2008, 20:18:30, Sven Neumann wrote:

 If it is so much slower on Windows, why hasn't anyone profiled the
 startup phase on Windows and pointed out where this time is spent?

It takes about 10 seconds to start it for the first time on my
machine, later it's up in about 4 seconds. About a quarter of this
time is spent starting script-fu.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp for sale

2008-01-21 Thread jernej
On Monday, January 21, 2008, 16:02:45, Leonardo wrote:

 1) The source code of Gimp has not been changed: it is the same
 that can be downloaded from Gimp website.

This is irrelevant - they have to offer the source code from the same
place as the binary (or make arrangements with somebody to provide the
source on their behalf; just pointing to a random site that happens to
currently contain that source [even if that site is www.gimp.org] is
not adequate).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Developer-User Disconnect

2007-11-30 Thread jernej
On Friday, November 30, 2007, 15:30:56, Daniel Falk wrote:

 Not on forums that are administered well.  I've seen forums that have 
 strict rules against such things and that works surprisingly well.  They
 also put sticky topics in the forums that appear on top that have 
 frequently repeated questions. 

On a forum I frequent, we call the sticky topics the invisibles,
since it appears that once something gets stickied, pretty much
everybody seems to ignore it.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Paging Jernej Simoncic

2007-11-20 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 19:00:28, Michael Grosberg wrote:

 Jernej, if you are reading this, I was wondering if you received my
 email with the Gimp-for-Win website makeover (as I got no reply so far -
 did I get your email address wrong?) , and what you think of it.

I didn't actually. Which address did you send it to?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Requests for curves for photo retouching

2007-11-09 Thread jernej
On Friday, November 9, 2007, 16:50:58, Andrea Olivotto wrote:

 Will the Cairo libray be ported in Windows? Or is a strict Linux library?

GTK+ has used Cairo since 2.8, which is why Windows 9x/ME support was
dropped then.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization

2007-11-06 Thread jernej
On Monday, November 5, 2007, 21:38:52, Richard Hirner wrote:

 What about an option somewhere in the GIMP menus: Open brushes folder which
 opens the appropriate folder with Explorer / Nautilus / whatever needed?

That would be one solution.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization

2007-11-06 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, November 6, 2007, 19:45:16, Michael Grosberg wrote:

 Better yet, just put it in the program files folder. This is the Windows
 norm for such files.

No, it isn't. User's files belong to the user's profile directory -
not just that, but you can't write to Program Files as a normal user
at all (this is especially enforced in Vista, where even
Administrators are normally running with reduced privileges, unless
the program specifically requested to be elevated, and user clicked
away the UAC prompt).

 Jernej, it was suggested here that the Gimp for Windows page could be
 updated to use the new Gimp.org look. Can I be of help with that? 

I won't mind - web design just isn't my forte :)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization

2007-11-05 Thread jernej
On Monday, November 5, 2007, 11:23:55, Michael Grosberg wrote:

 Putting resources in the user's my documents folder is bad form - 
 this is a folder for *documents*, not resources.

While I agree that putting resources in My Documents is a bad thing,
the problem with Application Data is that it's a hidden folder, which
normally isn't accessible.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.6 roadmap: metadata and jpeg plug-in enhancements

2007-11-04 Thread jernej
On Sunday, November 4, 2007, 11:09:22, Sven Neumann wrote:

 The only problem is that it is rather difficult to discover how to
 change that decision later. Currently you need to edit parasiterc. We
 might want to find a solution for these Don't ask me again questions
 that can be used from all over the place.

Many programs have this implemented in Preferences, either as a simple
Reset all 'Don't ask me again' questions button, or even as a list
which allows you to set the response for each of these questions
individually.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.6 roadmapping, the UI part of it...

2007-10-29 Thread jernej
On Monday, October 29, 2007, 14:15:28, Michael Natterer wrote:

 As Saul already responded that happens only if you use DND. Why on earth
 would a UI control activate just because you hover some seconds over it?
 That strikes me as utterly useless, what's the problem with pressing
 the mouse button if it is not otherwise occupied (e.g. by doing DND).

Hey, if people are selling extensions for popular programs that do
exactly that, why wouldn't GIMP do it for free? /sarcasm

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.6 roadmapping, the UI part of it...

2007-10-28 Thread jernej
On Sunday, October 28, 2007, 17:51:58, Guillermo Espertino wrote:

 Tabs don't work for image manipulation because is frequent to compare
 between two+ images or work with two views (one zoomed and the other at
 100%) . If we use tabs we have only one image open at a time and that's
 mostly a problem for pros.

On the contrary, tabs would be perfect for the way I work - if I need
to compare a set of images, I align their windows, then switch between
them, and tabs would make this work without me having to manually
align (or maximize) the windows.

However, if the tabs are implemented, I'd like to see them done the
way Opera does it - it allows you to drag a tab out of the main window
to have the document open in it's own (free-floating) window, or it
lets you drag it to another top-level window, and dock it there.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.6 roadmapping, the UI part of it...

2007-10-28 Thread jernej
On Sunday, October 28, 2007, 22:30:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now whether ffx did not copy that detail because they use gtk+ and the
 widget does not have that capability remains to be checked. (Linux Opera
 is qt).

It's probably because Opera is still MDI under the hood - it just
hides this detail if you don't want it (it's possible to de-maximize
the tabs, and have them as floating windows in the container, and
while Qt [and Win32] allow this natively, Opera seems to have written
it's own implementation, since the behaviour is different, IMHO better
than native Qt and Win32).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] moving selections

2007-08-29 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 17:56:01, Raphaël Quinet wrote:

 Yes, the behavior has changed during the 2.3.x development.  Clicking
 without modifiers will now always start a new selection.  With 2.2 and
 previous versions, some users complained about the different behavior
 of the selection tools if you were clicking inside or outside an
 existing selection.

Is there any way to get the old behaviour back? Every other program I
use(d) does it that way, and at least to me it's annoying when I try
to move the selection and instead start a new one...

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Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-10 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 8:09:04, Chris Mohler wrote:

 I understand that JPEG drops data.  My point: in most applications,
 'save' means save your data.  In the image editing world, 'save' has
 come to mean save as much data as you want given the limitations of
 the format - here are (or might be) some options.

Maybe GIMP could do it the way CoolEdit (audio editor for windows)
does it - when you save to a lossy format, it pops up a warning
telling you that you shouldn't use that file for intermediate storage,
but only for the final product.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] about carol

2007-06-21 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 9:01:46, Sven Neumann wrote:

 I don't know if everyone of the GIMP development team is as annoyed of
 Carol as I am, but I know that there are quite a few people who are.

I personally haven't had much interaction with Carol, but that was
because I saw her behaviour towards others, and avoided her
intentionally. I have on several occasions saw her torment newbies on
IRC, and I have in some cases advised them in private to just ignore
her.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] top-10 feature requests...

2007-04-13 Thread jernej
On Friday, April 13, 2007, 18:34:52, Raphaël Quinet wrote:

 1) (by far) Single window interface, a.k.a. MDI.
Note that there are two cases (Window-in-window MDI and Tabbed MDI)
that are probably mutually exclusive.  Each option has its advantages
and drawbacks, and each has its supporters who usually reject the
other proposal:

Why would they be mutually exclussive? Take a look at the Opera
browser - it's MDI interface includes a toolbar with the buttons for
each subwindow, and in some skins these buttons even look like tabs -
basically it has something like task-bar for it's internal windows,
bringing together best of the both worlds (it also allows you to drag
a button off this taskbar to make it appear outside the parent
window).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] gimpwin install

2007-02-28 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 9:18:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 what would be the advantages?

Push-install in domains, very unreliable installer, 10-fold increase
in installation problems, at least 30% bigger downloads.

When Opera (browser) switched from their old installer to MSI, the
backlash was so big that they decided to keep offering the classical
installer indefinitely, too.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-02-16 Thread jernej
On Friday, February 16, 2007, 10:36:14, Michael Natterer wrote:

 What interface change do you mean? The plug-in API and ABI are
 supposed to be backward-compatible. Any incompatibility you find is
 a bug that will be fixed.

I'm guessing 1.2 - 2.0.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Saving black/white TIFF with 'CCITT Group 4' encoding

2007-02-13 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 9:57:17, Sven Neumann wrote:

 It doesn't take very long if you turn off dithering. Anyway, if there's
 a performance problem, then we (or you) should look into fixing it
 instead of adding ways to work around it. Perhaps it would be a good
 idea to gather some profiling data on the RGB-Indexed conversion code.

Compared to GIMP 1.2.5, converting image to indexed palette is much slower
(for pictures that I often convert to indexed, GIMP 1.2.5 usually does the
conversion instantly, while GIMP 2.x takes several seconds [and fills the
progress bar 3 times while doing it]). I also prefer the result given by
GIMP 1.2.5.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Save As JPG Integrated

2007-02-03 Thread jernej
On Saturday, February 3, 2007, 12:48:54, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

 Then the Save_as_JPEG controls could appear on the image 
 window (inspired by the Firefox find bar) to further cut 
 down on window juggling.

Only as an option - some of us have multiple displays, and use the advanced
options regularly.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 9:35:17, Sven Neumann wrote:

 We have had several reports about this UI being confusing. Users filed
 bug reports claiming that the plug-in wouldn't do the right thing.
 Obviously they did not understand the user interface. And that is not
 surprising because it is quite irritating. Just try the user interface
 on your grandmother.

This is one thing I dislike about GTK+/Gnome in general - clueless users
think XYZ is confusing [because they don't bother to read documentation], so
let's remove features until only something basic remains; who cares about
advanced users that may have actually needed that feature.

 Now someone please show some creativity. Asking for the changes to be
 reverted is a punch in the face of the people that have put their free
 time into improving the usability of this plug-in.

How about this: get rid of the delay completely, and instead take the
screenshot when a certain key (eg. F12) is pressed?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.4 showstoppers

2006-11-18 Thread jernej
On Saturday, November 18, 2006, 21:24:10, Mukund wrote:

 It actually isn't. You may want to read this:
 http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Thankfully, some e-mail clients can work around this annoyance (sadly, it's
not automatic, so I often misdirect my first message on such lists).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Enabling Python on the Windows platform

2006-10-17 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, 0:10:25, David Gowers wrote:

 *glib, pango, gtk, python, pygtk..

Which Python distribution did you install? Current GIMP versions are
compiled with ActiveState Python 2.4, but I'll probably switch to the
official python.org releases in the future.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pygimp plugin built and installed on Win, but not accessible

2006-10-05 Thread jernej
On Thursday, October 5, 2006, 8:32:46, Hans Breuer wrote:

 On 05.10.2006 07:54, Williams, Andrew wrote:
 With some difficulty I built Gimp 2.3.7 with Python using MinGW on Win 
 XP. Make and make install completed without error.
 Gimp starts, but there is no Python in the Toolbars/Xtns menu (or any
 others); Script explorer shows NO python scrips.
 You need to make GLib's g_file_test() aware of additional 'executables'
 by adding .PY to the PATHEXT environment variable. See:
 http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/glib-File-Utilities.html#g-file-test

Actually, with GIMP, you just need to edit
GIMP-2.0\lib\gimp\2.0\interpreters\pygimp.interp to contain something like
this:

python=R:\Python24\pythonw.exe
/usr/bin/python=R:\Python24\pythonw.exe
:Python:E::py::python:

(the 2.3 installer generates this file automatically)

 Using the prebuilt Python 2.4 may be a problem as well cause it links with
 a newer C-runtime than gtk+ (msvcr71.dll vs. msvcrt.dll). I'm not sure if 
 mixing runtimes is fatal for gimp python plug-ins, but at least when 
 embedding Python in Dia this is definitely a problem. See also:
 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2006-September/msg00045.html

I build GIMP with Python 2.4, and as far as I can see, it works.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Are @gimp.org aliases needed at all?

2006-09-26 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 11:29:31, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:

 Today GIMP for Windows is in the fifth place among the most downloaded 
 applications from sourceforge.net.

Add to that that it's the most downloaded non-p2p program on sf.net :)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] requesting a change in the defaults

2006-09-21 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 20:46:24, Carol Spears wrote:

 is this such a common mouse and are the users of such a mouse unable to
 set the default themselves?

Unless you're used to IBM workstations (or old Macs), then yes, wheel mice
are common - I bought my first one about 10 years ago, and I haven't seen
wheelless mice sold in a long time (except for Mac users).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] requesting a change in the defaults

2006-09-21 Thread jernej
On Thursday, September 21, 2006, 19:37:23, Roel Schroeven wrote:

 OTOH, touchpads and pointing sticks on laptops don't have scroll wheels.

All laptops with touchpads I've seen offer one or more of the following:
- scrollwheel emulation by dragging at the edge of touchpad (some touchpads
  even have a slightly separated area for this, although this is completely
  a software [driver] setting)
- button with up/down keys, which emulates wheel
- button, which you hold and drag on the touchpad to emulate wheel

Laptops with joystick (or whatever that red thingy in the middle of
keyboard is called) often (but not always) have a button that makes the
joystick behave as a mouse wheel.

 They often even don't feature middle mouse buttons, though I have never 
 understood exactly why. And IIRC nowadays more laptops are sold than 
 desktops.

I've yet to see a laptop with middle button, too.

 Of course, people can just attach a proper mouse to their laptop if/when
 they use it for serious graphical work. Which is a good idea anyway; a 
 touchpad is way too imprecise.

If your laptop has built-in blutooth adapter, I suggest you get a blutooth
mouse, this way you'll be able to use it without having to attach it to
anything.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup

2006-07-20 Thread jernej
On Thursday, July 20, 2006, 3:02:52, Simon Budig wrote:

 I am sick of that kind of stuff. I am about to unsubscribe from
 gimp-developer because of that kind of stuff - reading gimp-developer is
 no fun anymore, because at any time you can hit a message that has a very
 confusing and frustrating content.

You can always create a rule to delete her messages on server, before they
even have the chance to reach your mailbox.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] menu cluttage

2006-07-04 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 6:43:59, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote:

 But even win95 has different icons for different kinds of images. The 
 GIMP currently has just no clue.

Currently the GIMP on Windows has 1 icon that is used for all file formats
associated with it. It would be possible to have separate icons for every
format handled by the GIMP, but somebody would have to create them.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages

2006-06-22 Thread jernej
On Thursday, June 22, 2006, 8:21:46, Sven Neumann wrote:

 This wouldn't have happened to you if you have had a look at the cursor
 changes. BTW, does anyone object to removing the possibility of turning
 context dependant cursors off? They are very important and I can't
 really imagine that someone would want to work without them.

One of the first things I do in graphic programs is to disable the tool
cursors, and use the cross-hair only (except for brushes, where I also
enable the brush outline). Though, to tell the truth, I highly prefer the
crosshair used in PaintShopPro to GIMP's.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] new default icon theme proposal

2006-06-15 Thread jernej
On Thursday, June 15, 2006, 14:16:26, Jakub Steiner wrote:

 I write to propose a new default icon set for GIMP 2.4. As GIMP is a
 multiplatform application it will in my view benefit greatly from an
 icon set that follows the Tango style guidelines [1]. 

Here are two sample images how the set looks on Windows:
http://userweb.upctelemach.net/~u052006/gimp-tango2.png
http://userweb.upctelemach.net/~u052006/gimp-tango3.png

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop PSD 6 format Spec / Gimp XCF format Spec

2006-03-02 Thread jernej
On Thursday, March 2, 2006, 15:54:12, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

 Or do you imagine an XML with
 binary data inside?

Isn't XML limited to text only?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GAP translation

2006-01-14 Thread jernej
On Friday, January 13, 2006, 20:52:04, Nathan Summers wrote:

 Are you installing the .po files as well?

It's a problem on Windows.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Newbie Q: Where is GIMPTool?

2005-12-09 Thread jernej
On Friday, December 9, 2005, 21:04:13, Chris Share wrote:

 Where do I get gimptool?

It gets placed in your ${prefix}/bin/ directory after you compile and
make install.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.3.4

2005-10-04 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 18:11:36, Michael Schumacher wrote:

 It is also possible to create them yourself, from the DLL files. The MinGW
 docs contain a section about this (using pexports and dlltool, IIRC).

Didn't you write instructions for this in the wiki?
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/HowToCompileGimpMicrosoftWindowsOld

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.3.4

2005-10-03 Thread jernej
On Monday, October 3, 2005, 16:49:59, lode leroy wrote:

 So the missing dll's in question are a build-environment
 issue, and not a gimp-compilation issue...

Just make sure you use the correct import libraries.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Survey of usability in open source software development

2005-10-03 Thread jernej
On Monday, October 3, 2005, 9:59:40, Simon Ormholt Schrøder wrote:

 Right now we are conducting an electronic survey to get an overview of 
 current usability effort within the open source community. We encourage 
 you to participate at  http://www.sieker.dk/survey/survey.php?sid=28
 http://www.sieker.dk/survey/survey.php?sid=28 
 (the survey takes approx. 15-20 minuttes) 

I tried to participate in the survey, but it won't let me past the 1st page
of questions (Country, City, Age, Occupation) - when I click Next Page, the
page just reloads (with my answers inserted).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] The GUI

2005-08-17 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 12:38:44, Sven Neumann wrote:

 Your mockup doesn't show half as many dockables as the standard user
 will want to keep around, let alone a power user. Where are those
 sidebars you are speaking of? How does this mockup deal with multiple
 images?

From what I see, they appear as buttons (tabs) in the menu bar. Personally,
I'd love such a GUI, as long as it allowed me to detach individual
imaged/docks.

  I don't think that having only one image visible at a time is
 a reasonable solution.

Since I rarely work with more than 1 image, such a GUI would be very useful
to me. It also saves the hassle of having to manually resize the image
window to be as big as possible without covering any of the controls
(remember, Windows' support for rearranging windows is much worse than with
a good X window manager).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Adobe Developers have a sense of humour

2005-07-05 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 22:22:16, Alan Horkan wrote:

 A quick web search later [1] and I see holding Ctrl+Alt and then choosing
 Help, About will reveal a special About dialog in the GIMP as well as in
 photoshop.

PaintShopPro used to have a hidden About with a dog that had
familiar-looking cat hanging from it's mouth :)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Layer locking proposal

2005-06-27 Thread jernej
On Monday, June 27, 2005, 16:32:13, Nathan Summers wrote:

 This would work.  All you would need to do is increase the text 2pt or
 so, and make the icons visually look a little less like text.

The text looks like it's the same size as the rest of the text, so I don't
think it's necessary to increase it any more (I always found GTK+'s default
text size a bit too big, at least on Windows).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Layer locking proposal

2005-06-27 Thread jernej
On Monday, June 27, 2005, 17:27:43, Michael Schumacher wrote:

 gtk-wimp (or is it called ms-theme-engine now?) should take care of this,
 shouldn't it?

It does.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Layer locking proposal

2005-06-26 Thread jernej
On Sunday, June 26, 2005, 15:17:52, Sven Neumann wrote:

 for your inspiration, heres a slightly outdated screenshot of the PS
 user interface for layer locking:

Here's how PaintShopPro handles the layers dialog:
http://deeperthought.ena.si/misc/psplayers.png

The buttons at top are for new raster, vector, art media, mask and layer
group, then Delete layer and Edit selection (lets you manipulate selection
with drawing tools).

The buttons in right dialog pane are: show/hide layer, transparency, blend
mode, link (linked layers will be moved together), lock transparency (row
2), group link toggle (row 3), mask overlay toggle (row 4).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-23 Thread jernej
On Thursday, June 23, 2005, 2:18:57, Robert L Krawitz wrote:

 Here's one: add a text entry box at the bottom of the screen, and use
 a different key (say, shift-tab) for completion.

My suggestion would be to use Tab for completion, but only if the user typed
a few characters first - if he didn't, use Tab to jump to the next widget.
Another possibility would be the End key - I noticed that on Linux, Ctrl+L
dialog autocompletes the currently entered text (in Ctrl+L dialog - it
doesn't do this on Windows) and that you can already use End to confirm this
completion.

 I've seen quite a number of people -- Marc, Alastair Robinson, Bill
 Kendrick, Jernej Simoncic, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris, Michael
 Thaler, and myself -- complain more or less vociferously about this,
 for what appears to be more or less the same reason.  Alan Horkan
 appears to have at least some complaints about it, Dennis Bjorklund
 appears to be defending it mildly, and you're defending it strongly.
 So by my count, we have

There's definitely more of us - otherwise no Windows port of GTK+ programs
would offer native Win32 dialogs, and there wouldn't be a plug-in for Gimp
that adds native dialogs.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 13:47:03,  Marc)(A.)(Lehmann  wrote:

 Whta made the old dialog so special was that you could just type in paths as
 you could elswhere in unix - namely via tab completion.

 For example replacing tab by enter completely wrecks this feature, as this
 is not at all intuitive, because enter usually means do it (either in
 the shell or in a dialog), so people are not quick at pressing enter and
 using it as a key to press oftentimes slows down considerably.

I can think of 2 or 3 ways of doing autocompletion that would be more
intuitive than how it's currently implemented - Enter is the last thing I
tried, because in all other software that offers autocompletion with the
help of an automatic drop-down (not just in file dialogs), Enter will
confirm the current selection and dismiss the dialog. (btw, there are other
things that GTK+2 just does bothersome differently from every other piece of
software I use - including differently from GTK+1 programs).

 It seems sven's standpoint is that this just needs to some more
 experience, or learning the new way of using the dialog, but I have to use
 those dialogs for quite some time now, and I simply don't believe that
 I am too dumb or too stubborn for the new dialog, but that it's simply
 slowing me down at best.

I found it easier to use Windows' Exploder to navigate to the directory
where my images are and double-click the image there than to use Gimp's open
dialog (and I absolutely hate Explorer).

 [Agree with all of that. The great thing is, however, that bookmarks don't
 seem to collide with a text entry, so one could have both, which is just
 great, and a win-win situation].

IMHO, the bookmarks would be even more usable if they appeared at the top of
the list, not bottom - I've got a lot of network and physical drives, so I
need to scroll the list to get to the bookmarks (another argument for this
is that you can always create bookmarks for the default items in that list
if you want to have those at the top).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 18:29:57, Alastair M. Robinson wrote:

 To my mind the biggest problem with the old dialog was that it's
 *really* ugly to look at!  It also looks reminiscent of the old Windows 
 3.1 file dialog, which is a big turn-off to some people...

That one was more useful - I liked having the directory tree separate, and
it had a text entry (although without any completion).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 1:02:34, Sven Neumann wrote:

 No, it does not at all work surprisingly well. It is *extremely*
 slow, it hinders, it flickers, it destroys the selection, it pops up
 a window. It feels like an ugly kludge and certainly does not wor
 surprisingly well.
 I cannot reproduce most of your problems. At least not from this
 description. If you want to be taken seriously, then please come up
 with serious descriptions and make sure that comprehensive and useful
 bug reports exist for them.

I definitely can - typing paths in the Ctrl+L dialog looks like this to me:
type a drive letter and :, see them both appear while typing, continue
typing, but see no feedback for several seconds while it's checking the
files - the native Win32 dialog boxes show the autocomplete list both much
faster, and doesn't interfere with my input even when it takes a few seconds
for the list to appear.

I'll write a more complete list of the things that bother me in the file
dialog in the evening.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 17:29:52, Jakub Steiner wrote:

 I believe you missed the type-ahead functionality:

I know of type-ahead, but it's not an adequate replacement for a real
path+file text entry. This is how I usually browse for files:
http://deeperthought.ena.si/autocompletion.htm (I only used Enter key
once, when I had the complete path to file entered and wanted to open the
file).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 0:18:34, Sven Neumann wrote:

 So far noone has made a proposal on how such an entry should be
 integrated with the current dialog.

What's wrong with the place Inkscape puts it?

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[Gimp-developer] Re: GTK+ File Chooser on MS windows

2005-06-20 Thread jernej
On Monday, June 20, 2005, 15:22:12, Michael Schumacher wrote:

 Perhaps you should stop looking at the dialog and just blindly enter
 paths. It works surprisingly well.
 Not on Windows, and you still have to confirm your selection twice.
 Jernej, I couldn't reproduce your problem with the bookmarks on windows -
 they work just fine for me. And your current description is a bit too vague,
 too - there might be problems and needed improvements, but it's impossible
 to determine what you're referring to.

My comment was about the absolute paths actually - on Linux, Ctrl+L dialog
is triggered by the / key, too, but this (for obvious reasons) doesn't work
on Windows.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GTK+ File Chooser on MS windows

2005-06-20 Thread jernej
On Monday, June 20, 2005, 18:42:56, Tor Lillqvist wrote:

 is triggered by the / key, too, but this (for obvious reasons) doesn't work
 on Windows.
 Actually, it does, at least for me, with GIMP 2.2 and GTK+ 2.6.8.

It doesn't for me - either it does nothing, or shows the textbox under a
listbox if focus is there. (Gimp 2.2.7 and GTK+ 2.6.8)

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ

2005-06-19 Thread jernej
On Sunday, June 19, 2005, 21:17:14, Bill Kendrick wrote:

 [*] I've tried the Microsoft PowerToy for virtual desktops.  It's utterly
 useless.  Doubly-so since it (1) rearranges the window listing in the
 taskbar, and (2) Visual Studio is a piece of crap, and does stuff like
 unminimize when you switch between virtual desktops.

Try VirtuaWin from http://virtuawin.sf.net/. Not sure how it works with
Visual Studio, but I like it much more than MS's virtual desktop tool.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ

2005-06-18 Thread jernej
On Saturday, June 18, 2005, 15:23:02, Sven Neumann wrote:

 The file dialog is getting better and better with each release.

It's usability will remain severely limited until you need to press Ctrl+L
to actually be able to type-in a relative path (or any path on Windows).
There also must be a reason why Windows ports of some GTK+ programs offer
the native file open dialog box even though it means more code.

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Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ

2005-06-18 Thread jernej
On Saturday, June 18, 2005, 18:42:17, Michael Schumacher wrote:

The file dialog is getting better and better with each release.
 It's usability will remain severely limited until you need to press Ctrl+L
 to actually be able to type-in a relative path (or any path on Windows).
 Oh, come on. You can just start to type the directory - relative or
 absolute, no difference...

Relative path/filename work so-so (you have to type first few letters, then
either wait and press Enter or press Enter twice to make the selection, and
you can't dive more than 1 directory deep at once). Absolute paths on
Windows don't work at all if you don't press Ctrl+L manually. (There are
also other things that bother me about Ctrl+L dialog, namely the
implementation of autocompletion and the fact that if you type the full path
to a file, you still have to confirm the selection in the open dialog
itself).

 There also must be a reason why Windows ports of some GTK+ programs offer
 the native file open dialog box even though it means more code.
 s/the native/a native/
 The win32 dialog sucks - there is no easy way to create bookmarks, for
 example, and there are multiple ones. If there was one which is up to
 par with the GTK+ one, it might be worthwile to consider integration,
 but at the present state, Microsoft and Windows application developers
 have a long way to go.

I don't care about bookmarks that much (besides, they don't work at all in
GTK+ file opener, at least as of 2.6.7), the inability to call up the open
dialog and just start typing the path to file makes it much less useful.
Bookmarks would be only useful to me in Gimp, where I use mouse all the
time, otherwise I mainly use the keyboard, so the absence of File Name entry
box is a real letdown for me. I need to compile the list of things that
bother me about the GTK+ file chooser and submit it to bugzilla someday. I
know I'm not the only one being bothered with it's design.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Akanna Menu patch

2005-06-09 Thread jernej
On Thursday, June 9, 2005, 1:48:29, Phil Lello wrote:

 And of course, not everyone has a right mouse button... or do new
 Macs have more than one button?

They don't (but they work just fine if you connect a normal USB mouse -
which is what most Mac users I know do).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp server startup [OT]

2005-05-31 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, May 31, 2005, 17:24:01, Michael Schumacher wrote:

 This is intentional - google for reply to considered harmful.

This might have been of concern years ago, before people were used to
mailing lists which do set the Reply-to header. Nowadays, I'd say that the
opposite is true, since setting the Reply-to header seems common practice
(at least if I look at the mailing lists I'm following, there are only 2
that don't set the header).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-19 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sunday, September 19, 2004, 15:13:31, Cai Qian wrote:

 Few end-users have rxvt, though.
 huh, that is wrong, many people in Asia really perfer it, coz its nice
 wide-width characters handling.

Does that include Windows users?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Monday, September 13, 2004, 23:26:52, Tor Lillqvist wrote:

 The consensus so far seem to be that GLib should not open any
 console windows by itself. OK, fine with me, such a change could
 be done even in the stable branch (2.4.x) IMHO. But I certainly
 hope that it doesn't mean that people then will start whining
 that they want log windows for warnings and error
 messages. Sheesh, that's what the console windows are/were,
 dammit.

If anybody wants log windows back, it's easy to change the compilation
process to produce a console EXE - or, if the user doesn't have (or doesn't
want to use) a compiler, there are programs that can switch an already
compiled EXE file between console/GUI applications (it's a matter of
changing 1 byte).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-12 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sunday, September 12, 2004, 15:15:37, Tor Lillqvist wrote:

 Could we have a raise-of-hands here? Who thinks GLib shouldn't bother
 doing that console window allocation stuff at all?

How about setting an environment variable? If something like OPEN_CONSOLE is
set, open the console window when needed, otherwise not?

Anyway, I'm in favour of not opening the console by default. It's easy
enough to change a GUI program to open console on startup, if that's needed.

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Re: Mailing List Archives [was Re: [Gimp-developer] Text question]

2004-06-30 Thread Jernej Simonèiè
On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 10:27:54, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 I had difficulty finding a good archive as well.

I always found gmane's interface nicer than mail-archive:
http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.video.gimp.devel
(and it allows nntp access)

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[Gimp-developer] Re: reporting bugs on builds

2004-05-07 Thread Jernej Simoni
On Friday, May 7, 2004, 17:50:13, Sven Neumann wrote:

 Because we can't do anything about the bugs. Nobody but the packager
 can. The situation would be different if the tools used to build the
 binary packages would be in GNOME CVS. That would certainly qualify
 the project for also using the bug tracker. But as long as people
 build GIMP using proprietary scripts that they don't publish anywhere,
 I am going to show no tolerance towards them.

Not sure about what kind of proprietary scripts are you talking about - the
installer scripts were always available, though it depended a lot on my mood
where I put them (in a separate zipfile, or together with the rest of
sources). The setup compiler itself is free, too.

To compile Gimp, I use MinGW+MSys, with no special tools.

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[Gimp-developer] Re: reporting bugs on builds

2004-05-07 Thread Jernej Simoni
On Friday, May 7, 2004, 20:59:14, David Neary wrote:

 I'm glad you joined the thread, because there's one question that
 hasn't been answered yet.

I've been subscribed for a while, but haven't really posted much (and I
just noticed that the last 2 messages I did send never arrived to the list
due to my own stupidity).

 Would you like to have your installer's problems tracked in
 bugzilla?

I wouldn't mind this at all.

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[Gimp-developer] Re: reporting bugs on builds

2004-05-07 Thread Jernej Simoni
On Friday, May 7, 2004, 22:59:14, Sven Neumann wrote:

 I was under the impression that building a GIMP installer involved
 some black magic. After all there don't seem to be many people able to
 build GIMP from source on win32.

Once you have the mingw+MSys environment set up, building Gimp is just
./configure --prefix=somewhere  make. Getting GTK+ to compile is more
challenging though (but I use precompiled GTK packages provided by Tor for
now).

Right now, building the installer involves make install, then running the
install script from the top install directory. Since the install builder has
a command-line compiler, this could be automated, too...

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