Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-16 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Saturday 16 May 2009 00:09:45 Alchemie foto\grafiche wrote: Is not simple and intuitive create, or move, the selection where you want your object be paste ? I just found out -- maybe I put my wish into reverse. Instead of changing current behaviour maybe adding function: a) sticky dragging

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-16 Thread Martin Nordholts
Maciej Pilichowski wrote: So my workflow would be like this (option b): * copy * paste * confirm * paste * ctrl+shift+h (this will move the block from its initial position to the position of the mouse) ctrl+shift+h is of course just an example. Sticky dragging is similar, it glues the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 11:17 -0700, Akkana Peck wrote: I've found the paste centers behavior quite useful, and have recommended it to lots of other people as a quick way to center a layer (which used to be a FAQ, though less so now that the align tool exists). We could add Center Layer

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 20:48 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:17:43 Akkana Peck wrote: I've found the paste centers behavior quite useful, It is predictable and more useful than random placement for sure. But with hires monitor I would still like some kind

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 13:21 -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote: When there is no selection, and you paste, the paste typically ends up 3,926,201 screens above where you are working (for me at least). Not sure what version of GIMP you are using. But the current code has the following logic: If

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 20:40:21 Sven Neumann wrote: GIMP doesn't place the pasted content randomly. What makes you think so? Because I don't see any relevance in second paste to what I do (and where I do) and I see no relevance between first paste and the second one. And it should be. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:03:27 Sven Neumann wrote: Not sure what version of GIMP you are using. But the current code has the following logic: If there is a selection, paste to the center of the selection boundary. If there is no selection, paste to the center of the viewport unless that

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Sparr
When you paste a second time, the first paste should still be visible and selected(?) and the floating selection is the current drawable, and thus the second paste end up on top of it (allowing for difference in paste sizes), right? Can you elaborate on the precise order of operations that

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:16 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: GIMP doesn't place the pasted content randomly. What makes you think so? Because I don't see any relevance in second paste to what I do (and where I do) and I see no relevance between first paste and the second one. And

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:25:54 Sven Neumann wrote: I explained the currently implemented logic in another mail. It is by far not random. Did you even try a recent development snapshot before you posted your wishes here? I tried it for a test and it is centered indeed :-) However since I move

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:23:57 Sparr wrote: When you paste a second time, the first paste should still be visible and selected(?) and the floating selection is the current drawable, and thus the second paste end up on top of it (allowing for difference in paste sizes), right? Can you

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:42 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 21:23:57 Sparr wrote: When you paste a second time, the first paste should still be visible and selected(?) and the floating selection is the current drawable, and thus the second paste end up on top

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:52:01 Sven Neumann wrote: And I refuse to discuss such changes with someone who completely disrespects this effort and calls the placement random. Surely it is your call, for me it is odd though that using word random is taken as offense and being just a user of gimp

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-15 Thread Alchemie foto\grafiche
Logic may be even changed, but before change something is better understand how it works Paste is centered at the center of the selection (if any) Is not simple and intuitive create, or move, the selection where you want your object be paste ? How i would able to guess a relation with the

[Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
Hi, In GIMP 2.6.2 when pasting several references are taken into account -- and that is useful. But if there is no reference (no previously selected region for example) it would be useful to paste the block initially at mouse cursor position (counting left, upper corner of the rectangle which

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-14 Thread Martin Nordholts
Maciej Pilichowski wrote: Hi, But if there is no reference (no previously selected region for example) it would be useful to paste the block initially at mouse cursor position (counting left, upper corner of the rectangle which boundaries of the block make, as the base point). I

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:43:01 Martin Nordholts wrote: Maciej Pilichowski wrote: Hi, But if there is no reference (no previously selected region for example) it would be useful to paste the block initially at mouse cursor position I don't think it is a good idea to use the cursor

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-14 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 18:43 +0200, Martin Nordholts wrote: [...] I don't think it is a good idea to use the cursor as the insertion point since this is both very uncommon and not very practical, the mouse cursor is too volatile for this. More reasonable is to use the selection as the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-14 Thread Martin Nordholts
Maciej Pilichowski wrote: So, I opt for some kind of predictability vs. randomness. And in such case, mouse cursor position is a good reference. I don't think the cursor is ever a good insertion point. It is better than a random insertion point, yes, but so what? It's still not a good

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:26:41 Martin Nordholts wrote: It is better than a random insertion point, yes, but so what? I am puzzled -- if it is better (and I agree) we should use it. Is there any reason to keep worse UI? I think progress means search for better solutions and use them. Here

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] when pasting without any reference use mouse cursor position

2009-05-14 Thread Akkana Peck
Liam R E Quin writes: 5) zoom in on the place where you want to work, a step at a time, gradually moving the floating selection 6) when you get to 50% or 100% so you can work, try to remember why you wanted whatever you pasted. Why you think that's a smoother workflow than 1) paste