Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes: Since the preferences toggle doesn't solve it at all, why do you call it a solution? Toggling it on does not work, as Sven said, as then mnemonics and dynamic shortcuts will clash. Sorry, but I don't think that they clash. What makes you

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-30 Thread pcg
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 02:12:49PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the preferences toggle doesn't solve it at all, why do you call it a solution? Toggling it on does not work, as Sven said, as then mnemonics and dynamic shortcuts will clash. Sorry, but I don't think

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: Well, you made me think that by writing: Because [the dynamic shortcut feature] interferes badly with mnemonics, especially if these are used in the menus and we only just started to add them all over the place. This is also the reason

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-29 Thread Dov Grobgeld
On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 12:20:26PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 01:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then this looks like a serious issue, since this feature is probably not used often by advanced users, but often by beginners, while the dynamic shortcuts are used as

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-29 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 18:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But why do menmonics and dynamic shortcuts clash at all? Either a key is bound to a menmonic or it is bound to a dynamic shortcut, but never both. And if I really want to reassign a key used currently by a mnemonic, it should either work

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-28 Thread Bowie J. Poag
Agreed. While I am all for making gimp more usable, I think making it more useful to advanced users would be better than to make life harder for them (correct me if i am wrong, but do you know anybody who is seriously using gimp without extensively using dynamic shortcuts? I don't). What

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-28 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 01:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then this looks like a serious issue, since this feature is probably not used often by advanced users, but often by beginners, while the dynamic shortcuts are used as quick-assign-keys by advanced users. While I am all for making gimp more

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-28 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 01:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then this looks like a serious issue, since this feature is probably not used often by advanced users, but often by beginners, while the dynamic shortcuts are used as quick-assign-keys by advanced users. The feature will be quite often

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-27 Thread pcg
On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 04:07:29PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, there is no need to change this at all, I was just under the wrong impression that it was dangerous to enable them *at all*, and not dangerous to enable them because I often bump my head on the caps at

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-27 Thread pcg
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 10:02:41AM -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how much it's dictated by gtk2, but it seens weird that the GIMP usability gets hurt for changes on The Gimp Toolkit. Woaw, that sounding like a great argument, but I still think that gtk+ deserves

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-27 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: However, there is no need to change this at all, I was just under the wrong impression that it was dangerous to enable them *at all*, and not dangerous to enable them because I often bump my head on the caps at the wrong time :) Well, we plan to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-27 Thread pcg
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:21:10PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You obviously did not understand the reasoning behind this change. Obviusly not, since only you explained it so far, saying that it clashes with gtk+. With the use of mnemonics in 1.3 the chance to make such a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-26 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 05:06:00PM +0200, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the two big platforms where the GIMP will be used in the future are GNOME and KDE. Both of those follow the HIG guideline of Ctrl-Shift-Z. On windows, the main

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-26 Thread pcg
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 09:07:30AM -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of the first things I teach to one who is learning the GIMP is the dinamic shortcut allocation. Which has gone out of 1.3 (yes, you can enable it in the preferences, but people telling me that it probably

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-26 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 09:07:30AM -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of the first things I teach to one who is learning the GIMP is the dinamic shortcut allocation. Which has gone out of 1.3 (yes, you can enable it in the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-26 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes: of the first things I teach to one who is learning the GIMP is the dinamic shortcut allocation. Which has gone out of 1.3 (yes, you can enable it in the preferences, but people telling me that it probably doesn't work because it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1

2003-06-26 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 15:21, Sven Neumann wrote: Reassigning shortcuts should be done with care and thought. People are supposed to go to the Prefs, enable Dynamic Shortcuts, change the keyboard shortcuts, then disable Dynamic Shortcuts again. That way the configured shortcuts are safe from