On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 03:07:43PM -0500, David Gowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
the difficulty of dynamic-keyboard-shortcutting, you can avoid by creating a
shortcut scheme in advance.
That certainly works for you, but it also takes the dynamic out of
dynamic keyboard shortcuts, and some
An 'adjust related keybindings' menu item for relevant docks would help a lot
to ease keyboard-configuration. This would open the prefs-configure keyboard
shortcuts dialog, scrolled to the relevant area.
the difficulty of dynamic-keyboard-shortcutting, you can avoid by creating a
shortcut
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:06:33 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The discussion about the design of the file-chooser widget is
off-topic since we are not in the position to change it.
Waaait, we're you advocating a few days ago that we follow the burning
GTK edge because, after all,
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:59:55PM -0500, Nathan Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:53:17 +0100, Marc A. Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, you can switch between dynamic keybindigs and mnemonic use
via preferences, but the 2.x dynamic keybindings are not as
Hi,
Nathan Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The discussion about the design of the file-chooser widget is
off-topic since we are not in the position to change it.
Waaait, we're you advocating a few days ago that we follow the burning
GTK edge because, after all, it's the Gimp ToolKit and
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 02:19:52AM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
people in the past, too.
I would call this hidden, yes, and I still think it's a usability problem,
because 1.2 clearly worked better.
Marc, I shouldn't argue with you
Maybe, but I think sensible arguments
Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
Also, this does not mean that all the other changes were good,
certainly the file chooser was step backwards (it has good features,
but all in all it's a step backwards, I guess just temporarily until
the gtk+ filechooser gets fixed, but
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
Really, you are putting words intgo my mouth that I didn't
say. _Please_ stay out of this thread _or_ read my original mails
where I clearly differentiated between gimp-specific issues and
gtk+-specific ones.
Marc, it is you who is constantly
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 01:15:02PM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
where I clearly differentiated between gimp-specific issues and
gtk+-specific ones.
Marc, it is you who is constantly trying to change your words.
Ehem?
as you figure out that you have been wrong, you start
Marc Lehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 01:15:02PM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
as you figure out that you have been wrong, you start to claim that
you didn't say this or that you referred to a different subject.
Ehem? Is this bullshitting tactics?
Marc,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
as you figure out that you have been wrong, you start to claim that
you didn't say this or that you referred to a different subject.
Ehem? Is this bullshitting tactics? I never changed my words. I
originally described a problem with
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:29:10PM +0100, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marc Lehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 01:15:02PM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
as you figure out that you have been wrong, you start to claim that
you didn't say this
Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
I claimed and still claim that I cannot set shortcuts in the layers
dialog, which was possible before, and posed a problem for other
people in the past, too.
I would call this hidden, yes, and I still think it's a usability problem,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 07:35:11PM +0100, Michael Natterer [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
Some problems might be caused by misdesigns in gtk+, but not all.
Ah, So which problem you have with the
On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:56:38AM +0100, Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It takes a long time to open, for no reason. That is gimp-specific, other
apps using the file dialog behave differently, as I explained.
On my machine it takes about as long to open GIMP's file dialog
as
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:32:03 +0100, Marc A. Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the reaction of accusing people of spreading FUD is pretty dumb,
but it seems to become the norm around here.
Especially because as far as I can tell you weren't making vague
misleading or dishonest statements
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:56:07PM -0800, William Skaggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I really find it bad that you think those people are ignorant - not
everybody can (or even will) read the source to find hidden keyboard
shortcuts. That is
Hi Marc,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
I don't understand why they are ignorant - having to use
undocumented functionality and keyboard shortcuts without visible
representation anyhwere is a usability problem. It doesn't matter if
you post information how to wrk around
On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 01:17:32AM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi Marc,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
I don't understand why they are ignorant - having to use
undocumented functionality and keyboard shortcuts without visible
representation anyhwere
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 07:35:11PM +0100, Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
Some problems might be caused by misdesigns in gtk+, but not all.
Ah, So which problem you have with the file dialog is GIMP specific?
It takes a long time
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:01:07PM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
How would that be specific to GIMP? The problem is that there is not
only the combo-box. There's a full directory view below it. It's
hidden in an expander but that doesn't change the fact that it is
there.
On my
Marc Lehmann wrote:
On my screen, there isn't. It doesn't matter to the user how something
is implemented internally, and that it is hidden but there. by default,
it's not there (displayed), and it's hard to imagine why a uI element
that is hidden and not used in many cases should require the
On Sunday 06 February 2005 05:44, Sven Neumann wrote:
This looks as if you installed pango into a prefix that is not
searched by the linker. You will have to either
modify /etc/ld.so.conf
to include that path, or set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment
variable.
Sven
This helped and I was
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Hal V. Engel wrote:
So I did some more looking around on my system and it turned out that I
had 2 versions of pango installed in 2 locations (1.6 in /usr/local/lib
and 1.8 in /opt/gnome/lib). So I cleaned this up. I also checked
everything else related to GTK and GIMP to
Hi,
Hal V. Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There were no apparent problems during the build process and I tested
GIMP as each new library was installed. Everything worked until I
installed GTK then GIMP, Firefox, GKrellM and other GTK dependant apps
started failing with a
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 13:15, Robert Ögren wrote:
snip
Did you also check that there were no files named for example
libgdk-x11-2.0.so* in /usr/local/lib or anywhere else on the system
except for /opt/gnome/lib?
(that file is a part of GTK+)
Yes I did exactly that. I did the same for
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Hal V. Engel wrote:
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 13:15, Robert Ögren wrote:
snip
Did you also check that there were no files named for example
libgdk-x11-2.0.so* in /usr/local/lib or anywhere else on the system
except for /opt/gnome/lib?
(that file is a part of GTK+)
Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
However, when I think about it, there is another problem in the
gimp: The save-as dialog (by default) only gives me a path-entry, so
it's questionable why all that information is being read (in a
blocking way, too), when it's not being
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 09:58:27AM +0100, Marc A. Lehmann wrote:
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 02:17:43PM -0800, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libgtk2.0-0
i guess that apt is not so well named lately? maybe apt not to is
better?
$
On 06.02.2005, at 02:46, Hal V. Engel wrote:
I probably should have said that I believed that the problems I had
with GTK 2.4 were likely caused by the RPMs I was using (user local
bin) as I had not tried building it myself. So this is a SuSE 9.1
specific problem. There have been some rather
On Sunday 06 February 2005 02:21, Daniel Egger wrote:
On 06.02.2005, at 02:46, Hal V. Engel wrote:
I probably should have said that I believed that the problems I had
with GTK 2.4 were likely caused by the RPMs I was using (user local
bin) as I had not tried building it myself. So this
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 11:17:09PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
You asked if going to 2.6 would cause a problem for them, and they
indicated it would.
No, they didn't. They said that they have had problems updating gtk+
in the past. So far noone has expressed any actual problems updating
Hi,
Hal V. Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have started building GTK 2.6.2 glib 2.6.2, pango 1.8.0 and atk
1.9.0 all installed without any apparent problems. GTK configures
with any problems but fails on the make with the following error
messages:
Hi,
Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i am curious to see what changes having gtk+-2.6 bring to poor gimp.
many of the problems with the 2.4 fileselector get shoved off because of
this great thing called gtk+-2.6. can we see a screen shot or even
several of the new things?
There are
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:48:03 +0100
Hi,
Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i am curious to see what changes having gtk+-2.6 bring to poor gimp.
many of the problems with the 2.4 fileselector get shoved off because of
this great
Hi,
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought it was supposed to allow actually typing in a filename?
The really bad point of the 2.4 file selector is that (at least as
far as I can see) it only allows selecting a file, not typing the
pathname (at least, I don't see any text entry
Hi,
Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The GTK+ 2.4 file-chooser already allows you to type in a filename
after you press Ctrl-L. In GTK+-2.6 however you just start typing and
navigate to the file using the typeahead feature of the treeview. You
will only sometimes need to use the Ctrl-L
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:57:59 +0100
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought it was supposed to allow actually typing in a filename?
The really bad point of the 2.4 file selector is that (at least as
far as I can see) it
Hi,
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's terribly obvious :-( If the entry box isn't visible, how is
anyone to know that you can actually do this?
You can do that in all treeviews (at least all treeviews that set a
search column). This is something that the user has to be told
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:19:14 +0100
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's terribly obvious :-( If the entry box isn't visible, how is
anyone to know that you can actually do this?
You can do that in all treeviews (at least
Hi,
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Every other file dialog I've ever seen has a visible entry for typing
in a filename. It's not clear to me why there's any advantage at all
to not having it visible. It just seems like a gratuitous
incompatibility.
Well, this is the wrong list
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:22:00 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That said, I would like to state that whatever happens in GTK+, is of
course our responsibility as well. After all it's the GIMP toolkit.
IMO we should work a lot closer with the GTK+ development team. If it
was me, the
Nathan Summers wrote:
For a long time the policy was that we used the most recent devel
branch release. When did that change? CVS HEAD is a little too
fast-moving, but I don't have a problem with using the latest devel
version, and I don't remember anyone else having a problem with it,
either.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Michael Schumacher wrote:
Nathan Summers wrote:
For a long time the policy was that we used the most recent devel
branch release. When did that change? CVS HEAD is a little too
fast-moving, but I don't have a problem with using the latest devel
version, and I don't
Hi,
Nathan Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For a long time the policy was that we used the most recent devel
branch release. When did that change? CVS HEAD is a little too
fast-moving, but I don't have a problem with using the latest devel
version, and I don't remember anyone else having
Hi,
Nathan Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For a long time the policy was that we used the most recent devel
branch release. When did that change? CVS HEAD is a little too
fast-moving, but I don't have a problem with using the latest devel
version, and I don't remember anyone else having
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:48:03PM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
keybindings have been added and some of the focus problems have been
eliminated. These changes improve usability of the file chooser a lot
and I think that it can now really be called an improvement over the
old
Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
In some directories it takes the Save As dialog a verified 40
minutes to open.
You better file a bug report about this then or at least make sure
that there's one filed about it. There have been a couple of changes
that deal with exactly
Hi,
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I recall having a lot of problems trying to compile either 2.4 or
2.6.
There is not much software that is more straight-forward to build than
GTK+. If you have problems to build GTK+, you should ask. But please
don't spread FUD about it being a
Hi,
Hal V. Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have also tried installing GTK 2.4 on SuSE 9.1 without success. I
have not tried 2.6 yet. SuSE 9.1 comes with GTK 2.2.4. Many things
stop working when GTK 2.4 is installed and it appears that many
applications would need to be rebuilt to get
On Saturday 05 February 2005 15:15, Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I recall having a lot of problems trying to compile either 2.4 or
2.6.
There is not much software that is more straight-forward to build than
GTK+. If you have problems to build GTK+,
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:16:56 +0100
Hal V. Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have also tried installing GTK 2.4 on SuSE 9.1 without success. I
have not tried 2.6 yet. SuSE 9.1 comes with GTK 2.2.4. Many things
stop working when GTK
BTW, I just dropped a note to James Ogley (maintainer of
usr-local-bin) to see if he has any plans to upgrade his stuff to gtk
2.6.
--
Robert Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League
Hi,
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There could be plenty of other reasons why, of course. But it isn't
FUD for people to report that they're having problems compiling and
running GTK 2.6 against a particular distribution. Multiple people
reporting the same thing suggests
On Friday 04 February 2005 07:44, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2005 21:12, Sven Neumann wrote:
Mitch, me and probably others already have some changes pending that
would introduce a dependency on gtk+-2.6. So far we have usually
waited until a package reaches debian testing
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:36:29 +0100
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There could be plenty of other reasons why, of course. But it isn't
FUD for people to report that they're having problems compiling and
running GTK 2.6
Hi,
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, now I tried to compile and install gtk-2.6 on Mandrake 10.1. I
used the Cooker Source RPMs, and compiled them each in
turn. gtk+-2.6.0 required the new version of pango, which in turn
required the new version of automake 1.8 to be compiled. The
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:36:29 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There could be plenty of other reasons why, of course. But it isn't
FUD for people to report that they're having problems compiling and
running GTK 2.6 against a
hello,
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 06:36:29PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
I am only asking that you show us what problems exactly you have when
building gtk+, so that we can help you to solve them. Saying that
there are a lot of problems doesn't help at all and is what I would
consider spreading
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:53:27 -0800, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i heard earlier this week that gtk+-2.6 is available on debian sid now.
none of the sources i checked had it and still today, an apt-get update
and still only gtk+-2.4 is available.
perhaps you could share the debian
Hi,
Nathan Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This still doesn't meet the definition of spreading FUD. To spread
FUD you must:
1) Either lie or deliberately misrepresent the truth (this includes
selective retelling of the facts)
2) In one or more fora such that a large number of
I probably should have said that I believed that the problems I had
with GTK 2.4 were likely caused by the RPMs I was using (user local
bin) as I had not tried building it myself. So this is a SuSE 9.1
specific problem. There have been some rather lengthly discussions
about this on a SuSE
From: Hal V. Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:46:17 -0800
I probably should have said that I believed that the problems I
had=20 with GTK 2.4 were likely caused by the RPMs I was using
(user local=20 bin) as I had not tried building it myself. So this
is a SuSE
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 08:12:18PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
Mitch, me and probably others already have some changes pending that
would introduce a dependency on gtk+-2.6. So far we have usually
waited until a package reaches debian testing before depending on it.
Since gtk+-2.6 only just
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 02:49:43PM -0500, Robert L Krawitz wrote:
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:36:29 +0100
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There could be plenty of other reasons why, of course. But it isn't
FUD for people to
On Thursday 03 February 2005 23:27, Tino Schwarze wrote:
snip
Just for your consideration: I failed to install GTK 2.6 on a SuSE
9.1
machine. A lot of weir things happened (fonts were not being found,
gdm
crashed, some unresolved symbol XineramaIsActive etc.). I had to
remove
GTK 2.6 and
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:24:30 -0800
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On Thursday 03 February 2005 23:27, Tino Schwarze
Hi,
yesterday I started to port some code in GIMP CVS to functionality
that is only in glib-2.6. So we are now depending on glib = 2.6.0.
glib-2.6 has been packaged for most distros for quite a while so that
dependency shouldn't cause any problems.
Mitch, me and probably others already have some
On Thursday 03 February 2005 21:12, Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
yesterday I started to port some code in GIMP CVS to functionality
that is only in glib-2.6. So we are now depending on glib = 2.6.0.
glib-2.6 has been packaged for most distros for quite a while so that
dependency shouldn't cause
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 07:44:09AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
yesterday I started to port some code in GIMP CVS to functionality
that is only in glib-2.6. So we are now depending on glib = 2.6.0.
glib-2.6 has been packaged for most distros for quite a while so that
dependency shouldn't
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