[Gimp-developer] Feedback on new rect select tool

2005-02-13 Thread David Neary
Hi,

Just tried out the new rect select tool and I have a few comments
which I thought might be appreciated.

First off, thanks to Bill for the work - this is already an
improvement over the old rect select tool, IMHO, apart from one
thing (which I'll get to later).

First, Show dialog must go. I'm sure that there are people who
use this dialog, both in the crop tool and here, but it's a
nightmare. 

Second, Adjustable should be the default. It was very confusing
to me that I saw the shading + handles à la crop tool, and then
as soon as I released, just had a rectangular selection.

The big lacking functionality is the aspect ratio/fixed size
functionality from rect select. Being able to constrain the ratio
of selections during their creation, and also while editing them,
is very useful.

One usability change which would be great, but I know that it is
a lot trickier, is to have the selection be both a selection and
adjustable at the same time. It would be great to be able to drag
the corners (or even, why not, the edges) of a selection to move
it around  resize it dynamically, but have it actually be a
selection if I do something like apply a filter. The question is
whether the adjustableness would only apply to the last element
added to the selection (ellipse, rectangle, or why not,
freehand?) or to the bounding box of the entire active selection.
I haven't thought a whole lot about it.

In short, I think it's good, and if the tool can pick up the last
remaining bits of functionality from the rect select tool, and
the other selection tools behaved similarly (at least the ellipse
tool), I'd be in favour of it being the 2.4 rect select tool. Of
course, if something better comes along in the meantime...

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Feedback on new rect select tool

2005-02-13 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
On Sunday 13 February 2005 08:25, David Neary wrote:
 Hi,


Ok...
I say I agree fully with Dave's comments. I'd have something to add 
here: 

 One usability change which would be great, but I know that it is
 a lot trickier, is to have the selection be both a selection and
 adjustable at the same time. It would be great to be able to drag
 the corners (or even, why not, the edges) of a selection to move
 it around  resize it dynamically, but have it actually be a
 selection if I do something like apply a filter. The question is
 whether the adjustableness would only apply to the last element
 added to the selection (ellipse, rectangle, or why not,
 freehand?) or to the bounding box of the entire active selection.
 I haven't thought a whole lot about it.


Great - I think that if the selection was not replaced by the 
rectangle, the adjustment could be - for the time being - on the 
boundng box of the selection. I say for the time being - because 
the olny satisfactory UI I can perceive for this is to have each 
element on the selection adjustable - that means that sucessive 
erctangle selects, ellipse, free hands, select by colors, use of 
quickmask, etc, should be individually pickable and re-edited.

The only way this functionality might be implemented is if - or rather 
- when - Pippin's suggestions for what could be called an 'action' 
model for the drawables is implemented. That is - the GIMP would 
record not only the actuall raster data, but each action performed on 
a drawable as a data independent model. That would also allow for a 
great macro recorder,  out of order undo/redo, per drawable undo/redo 
- and this - a fully readjustable selection. Maybe we could put some 
more thinking in how this proposed model would be achievable.


 Cheers,
 Dave.


Regards,

JS
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