Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help2
Am Die, 2003-07-22 um 18.34 schrieb David Neary: Where is the index? And when you say outline do you mean root document with lots of dead links? Nope, I mean like a rough idea of the table of contents: 1. Introduction 1. Welcome to The GIMP 1.1. Known platforms 1.2. The GIMP-Help system 2. Legalese 1. The GIMP License 3. Toolbox 1. The Toolbox 2. The Toolbox Menu 3. Rectangle Selection Tool 4. Ellipse Selection Tool 5. Free Selection Tool 6. Fuzzy Selection Tool 7. Select By Color Tool 8. Scissors Tool 9. Patience! For the Jedi it is time to eat as well. 10. Color Picker Tool 11. Histogram 12. Magnify Tool 13. Measure Tool 14. Move Tool 15. Crop Tool 16. Rotate Tool 4. Filters 1. Filter introduction 2. Blur 2.1. Overview 2.2. Options 2.3. See also... Glossary Don't know how 3.9. slipped in but apart from that it's what we have right now. We need more introduction, more tool descriptions (also from those not in the toolbox), plugin descriptions, meta information (like keyboard shortcuts), examples, screenshots etc... -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help2
Daniel Egger wrote: Am Die, 2003-07-22 um 18.34 schrieb David Neary: Where is the index? And when you say outline do you mean root document with lots of dead links? Nope, I mean like a rough idea of the table of contents: 1. Introduction 1. Welcome to The GIMP 1.1. Known platforms 1.2. The GIMP-Help system 2. Legalese 1. The GIMP License 3. Toolbox 1. The Toolbox 2. The Toolbox Menu 3. Rectangle Selection Tool 4. Ellipse Selection Tool 5. Free Selection Tool 6. Fuzzy Selection Tool 7. Select By Color Tool 8. Scissors Tool 9. Patience! For the Jedi it is time to eat as well. 10. Color Picker Tool 11. Histogram 12. Magnify Tool 13. Measure Tool 14. Move Tool 15. Crop Tool 16. Rotate Tool 4. Filters 1. Filter introduction 2. Blur 2.1. Overview 2.2. Options 2.3. See also... Glossary Don't know how 3.9. slipped in but apart from that it's what we have right now. We need more introduction, more tool descriptions (also from those not in the toolbox), plugin descriptions, meta information (like keyboard shortcuts), examples, screenshots etc... i am stuck on 3.9. i am going to work up some ideas starting there. maybe even at neditcon1. this is a nice list, btw. wanna see my 404 dumpster? http://www.det-tour.org/~carol/gallery/summer/IMG_0223.html i am very much enjoying making this new gimp make my webpages right now. thanks carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help2
Daniel Egger wrote: Am Mon, 2003-07-21 um 23.21 schrieb Jakub Steiner: I think this would be pretty elegant and would appeal to me personaly to write some particular doc. Write documentation is a horrid picture to me. An insanely large task. Write a particular section actually sounds fun. However, I offer you the chance to write a particular section for the docs right away... Wanna pick a topic? :) Would it take you long to put together a list of topics that docs are needed for? We could cross-post to the gimp-users list, and maybe send a copy to the GUG and see if anyone there is interested in helping out... Just an idea. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help2
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 23:48, Daniel Egger wrote: We have had this notice in GIMP for quite a while which means that you either never even used the helpbrowser or didn't care. :/ However, I offer you the chance to write a particular section for the docs right away... Wanna pick a topic? :) The main motivator I was talking about is bringing up a help browser for a certain tool, seeing a 'please help' msg. -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help2
Daniel Egger wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:46:17AM +0200, David Neary wrote: Would it take you long to put together a list of topics that docs are needed for? We could cross-post to the gimp-users list, and maybe send a copy to the GUG and see if anyone there is interested in helping out... Well, there is an outline (i.e. the index) which might give a few hints. A fully fledged would take some time and cooperation though. Where is the index? And when you say outline do you mean root document with lots of dead links? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] gimp-help2
Hi Daniel, Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd rather we simply render the XML directly because the mapping is tricky at two points: You want us to include an XML renderer in the help-browser? That doesn't sound like a simple solution. - The XML-transformation needs to be taught about creating files with a fixed name. This bit us before with SGML and is even more tricky with the DocBook/XML stylesheets. What is tricky about 'xsltproc $xmlfile $htmlfile'? OK, I have to admit I don't much experience with the DocBook XML issues you encountered when working on gimp-help but since I played with this stuff for developer.gimp.org I cannot follow this argument. Perhaps I need to take a closer look at gimp-help2 first... - The docs need to be kept in sync with the GIMP Source which is a tedious work. How would your solution avoid this problem? I don't think we have enough manpower to get the help done in time. I've a business to run, have no idea where syngin is and it seems we still have no content writers. My guesstimate for efforts we'd need to put into it would be 400h to get something which is showable. But I would perhaps make sense to setup the framework and encourage people to contribute help for gimp-2.0. We could setup some text that is displayed for all missing pages and that explicitely encourages people to write help on this topic. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help2
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 17:23, Sven Neumann wrote: But I would perhaps make sense to setup the framework and encourage people to contribute help for gimp-2.0. We could setup some text that is displayed for all missing pages and that explicitely encourages people to write help on this topic. I think this would be pretty elegant and would appeal to me personaly to write some particular doc. Write documentation is a horrid picture to me. An insanely large task. Write a particular section actually sounds fun. -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help2
Am Mon, 2003-07-21 um 23.21 schrieb Jakub Steiner: I think this would be pretty elegant and would appeal to me personaly to write some particular doc. Write documentation is a horrid picture to me. An insanely large task. Write a particular section actually sounds fun. We have had this notice in GIMP for quite a while which means that you either never even used the helpbrowser or didn't care. :/ However, I offer you the chance to write a particular section for the docs right away... Wanna pick a topic? :) -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
