Re: Command Line Options
"Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-21 at 1913.32 -0400): * Add "-v" as synonym for "--verbose" * Remove "-v" as synonyn for "--version" * Add "-V" as synonym for "--version" I'd keep -v = --version and add -V = --verbose. This, out of respect for backward compatibility for any version checking automata. Yes, but Gimp is doing it inverse that everyone I have seen. I would preffer -v verbose, and -V version, to match other software. GSR perl -v gcc -v Neither are lightly used tools. They establish certain habits in their own right. Miles O'Neill observed. I almost did this when I revamped the command line options a year or so ago. I didn't for the "backwards compatibility" reasons. With much wider distribution of the GIMP now, I wish I'd done it then. I vote to change it. Odd decision to come to, "With much wider distribution of the GIMP now..." the likelihood of dependence on the current command line options is greater not less. If it were only my own self-absorbed preferences in play, I'd agree with the forum. Given the wide distribution of Gimp, I'm uncharacteristically conservative. The only argument I find to counter such conservatism arises from the fact that Gimp 1.1.xx is still an "unstable development series," so one could legally say "you've been warned" to all the automation writers. But as a pragmatic matter, possibly an unfriendly thing to do. If the quorum is for a change, it should be done now, before a 1.2 release. My two U. S. cents Garry
Re: Command Line Options
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 01:37:58AM +0200, "Steinar H. Gunderson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then, most other GNU programs use -V for --version and -v for --verbose, right? I completely agree that we should strive not to break anything, but the question is what (if anything) we'll break, vs. the need for consistency. I doubt there is any software testing the gimp version using the gimp itself currently. After all, there is gimptool and it seems to get used (it is more interesting to check for the library version anyway). So unless there is some really important piece of software we should go for -v = verbose. (BTW, this is not universal, many programs do use -v for version and --verbose or -V for verboseness (some even use -x or -e or somethign weird), and, yes, I always swear at them...) -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Command Line Options
Hi, I wanted to clean up the command line options a little (to make gimp even more perfect:) and so i made some changes to not just the formatting, but also the options themselves. I just wanted to see what other people think of this, and if the -v - -V change will affect anyone adversely. Heres the new output: Usage: gimp [option ... ] [file ... ] Options: -b, --batch commands Run in batch mode. -c, --console-messages Display warnings to console instead of a dialog box. -d, --no-dataDo not load brushes, gradients, palettes, patterns. -g, --gimprc gimprcUse an alternate gimprc file. -h, --help Output this help. -n, --no-interface Run without a user interface. -r, --restore-sessionTry to restore saved session. -s, --no-splash Do not show the startup window. -S, --no-splash-imageDo not add an image to the startup window. -v, --verboseShow startup messages. -V, --versionOutput version information. --no-shm Do not use shared memory between GIMP and plugins. --no-xshmDo not use the X Shared Memory extension. --debug-handlers Enable non-fatal debugging signal handlers. --display display Use the designated X display. --system-gimprc gimprc Use an alternate system gimprc file. --enable-stack-trace never | query | always Debugging mode for fatal signals. I'd also like to know if there's any reason why a long option, like "--console-messages" _shouldn't_ have a short option (like "-c"). Thanks, - Piers
Re: Command Line Options
Hi, I forgot to say what changes i'd made (d'oh!). Here's a list: * Add "-c" as synonym for "--console-messages" * Add "-d" as synonym for "--no-data" * Add "-n" as synonym for "--no-interface" * Add "-s" as synonym for "--no-splash" * Add "-S" as synonym for "--no-splash-image" * Add "-v" as synonym for "--verbose" * Remove "-v" as synonyn for "--version" * Add "-V" as synonym for "--version" * Other only cosmetic changes to the output of "gimp --help". Here is the original output for comparison: Usage: gimp [option ...] [files ...] Valid options are: -h --help Output this help. -v --version Output version info. -b --batch commands Run in batch mode. -g --gimprc gimprc Use an alternate gimprc file. -n --no-interface Run without a user interface. -r --restore-session Try to restore saved session. --no-data Do not load patterns, gradients, palettes, brushes. --verbose Show startup messages. --no-splash Do not show the startup window. --no-splash-image Do not add an image to the startup window. --no-shm Do not use shared memory between GIMP and its plugins. --no-xshm Do not use the X Shared Memory extension. --console-messages Display warnings to console instead of a dialog box. --debug-handlers Enable debugging signal handlers. --display display Use the designated X display. --system-gimprc gimprc Use an alternate system gimprc file. Thanks, - Piers
Re: Command Line Options
Piers Cornwell wrote: Hi, snipped... * Add "-v" as synonym for "--verbose" * Remove "-v" as synonyn for "--version" * Add "-V" as synonym for "--version" I'd keep -v = --version and add -V = --verbose. This, out of respect for backward compatibility for any version checking automata. My two U. S. cents Garry
Re: Command Line Options
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-21 at 1913.32 -0400): * Add "-v" as synonym for "--verbose" * Remove "-v" as synonyn for "--version" * Add "-V" as synonym for "--version" I'd keep -v = --version and add -V = --verbose. This, out of respect for backward compatibility for any version checking automata. Yes, but Gimp is doing it inverse that everyone I have seen. I would preffer -v verbose, and -V version, to match other software. GSR
Re: Command Line Options
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 07:13:32PM -0400, Garry R. Osgood wrote: I'd keep -v = --version and add -V = --verbose. This, out of respect for backward compatibility for any version checking automata. But then, most other GNU programs use -V for --version and -v for --verbose, right? I completely agree that we should strive not to break anything, but the question is what (if anything) we'll break, vs. the need for consistency. /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://members.xoom.com/sneeze/
Re: Command Line Options
Steinar H. Gunderson said... | |But then, most other GNU programs use -V for --version and -v for --verbose, |right? I completely agree that we should strive not to break anything, but the |question is what (if anything) we'll break, vs. the need for consistency. I almost did this when I revamped the command line options a year or so ago. I didn't for the "backwards compatibility" reasons. With much wider distribution of the GIMP now, I wish I'd done it then. I vote to change it. -Miles
