Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.8 blend time

2012-05-12 Thread Michael Natterer
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 00:16 -0300, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) wrote: El 11/05/12 20:21, Michael Natterer escribió: Please file it in bugzilla, it's pointless to use threading if it makes things slower, and we have no code to determine the #cpus on the mac anyway, so we should default to

[Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
Hi, AFAIK, our reasoning for presenting tools' options in a vertically oriented dockable dialog in the sidebar is that we care about vertical space. If we do care about it, is there a reason we add a Wilber logo to the top of the toolbar? I've been hearing questions how to remove it for a couple

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread Tobias Jakobs
Hi Alexandre On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: ... is there a reason we add a Wilber logo to the top of the toolbar? AFAIK, the Wilber is a hint, that you can drag and drop files in this window, to open this image. This makes the UI

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread gfxuser
Am 12.05.12 10:02, schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine: Hi, AFAIK, our reasoning for presenting tools' options in a vertically oriented dockable dialog in the sidebar is that we care about vertical space. If we do care about it, is there a reason we add a Wilber logo to the top of the toolbar? I've

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:21 PM, gfxuser wrote: IMO the Wilber logo is currently not obsolete. Its purpose is to drag and drop files on it to open them in GIMP. Oh? 1) I can't see how the logo is a hint that things can be dropped on it. It looks more like a branding element. Maybe I'm missing

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread peter sikking
guys, the answer is yes, yes, yes. yes, wilber in the toolbox is suppose to help remember that it is a drag + drop area for opening files (as new document). does it (and the n-i-w) have a tooltip for it? yes, it is also a bit of branding. wilber is watching you. (btw, if someone wants to

[Gimp-developer] Save defaults not working?

2012-05-12 Thread Guillermo Espertino (Gez)
Hi: I just noticed that the function for saving defaults for the jpeg export plugin isn't working in 2.8 Am I missing something or should I file a bug report? btw, new jpeg defaults are much, much better than 2.6s but imo the progressive option shouldn't be on. It makes the file size a tad

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread SorinN
Cristi just pointed me to think that probably users can have this option in preferences. I mean to keep the Wilber or to hide Wilber for more vertical space in Toolbox I will not remove Wilber  ;) I promise but some users in need for vertical space will appreciate this option. personal note :

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread gg
On 05/12/12 12:36, gfxuser wrote: 2) You absolutely don't need the logo to drop things top open. The whole toolbox's area works that way. Nice news! I didn't know this. So this bar is only there to host a dumb logo, it is a total waste of space in an environment where space is a premium.

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread gfxuser
peter sikking wrote: well, usability is a lot more than ‘what can do people find out in the first 5 minutes’ (ease of learning). GIMP is designed for other goals: speed of use, the freedom to create, etc. Hi Peter, can you explain this in more detail, please? I'm honestly interested and like

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 15:41 +0200, peter sikking wrote: SorinN wrote: drop images text message would me more efficient and explicit or probably an icon representing the drag and drop action... now that would be really annoying, looking at that 40 hours a week, every week of the year,

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread SorinN
well, usability is a lot more than ‘what can do people find out in the first 5 minutes’ (ease of learning). GIMP is designed for other goals: speed of use, the freedom to create, etc. strange, I was thinking that this topic was related to UI usability of course speed of use has nothing to do with

[Gimp-developer] contribution processes...

2012-05-12 Thread peter sikking
guys, lately I have been thinking about introducing a new process. this thinking has been accelerated by the GIMP bof at the lgm, where GIMP project members expressed concern about lack of openness and transparency in the current UI redesign work, and I expressed concern about lack of valuation

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread peter sikking
Liam wrote: drop images text message would me more efficient and explicit or probably an icon representing the drag and drop action... now that would be really annoying, looking at that 40 hours a week, every week of the year, no? A gtk+ drop target might be a better approach. is that a

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread peter sikking
gfxuser wrote: peter sikking wrote: well, usability is a lot more than ‘what can do people find out in the first 5 minutes’ (ease of learning). GIMP is designed for other goals: speed of use, the freedom to create, etc. can you explain this in more detail, please? I'm honestly interested

Re: [Gimp-developer] contribution processes...

2012-05-12 Thread Guillermo Espertino (Gez)
El 12/05/12 13:46, peter sikking escribió: I have given it a first stab: http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Interaction_design_patch I like to discuss it here on this mailing list and get it in a shape that is beyond reasonable doubt. after that the next steps can be taken. Makes sense to me.

[Gimp-developer] High bit depth processing

2012-05-12 Thread Partha Bagchi
Downloaded the gitmaster from the usual place: https://gimptest.flamingtext.com:9090/ Built it on Windows. Saw the goat-invasion screen. Opened a 16-bit TIFF - and it opened as an 8-bit file. What am I missing? Thanks! Partha ___ gimp-developer-list

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 19:06 +0200, peter sikking wrote: [...] A gtk+ drop target might be a better approach. is that a standard widget? I have trouble googling it. No, I am sorry, I was overly laconic. You are standing in my sunlight. I was trying to suggest that gtk+ could add a new

Re: [Gimp-developer] High bit depth processing

2012-05-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote: Thanks Alexandre. If I understand the chart, one cannot open 16-bit tiff yet? Which format can be opened in 16-bit? 16bit PNG can be loaded and saved EXR opens as 32bit float, but is saved with 16bit precision. Simon already evaluated

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save defaults not working?

2012-05-12 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Saturday, May 12, 2012, 14:20:02, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) wrote: btw, new jpeg defaults are much, much better than 2.6s but imo the progressive option shouldn't be on. It makes the file size a tad larger and it isn't always needed. Is there any special reason for using that option as

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) wrote: Wilber by itself doesn't communicate the behavior, so users who didn't read about it will only know that dragging and dropping works by... dragging and dropping. That was exactly my point. I'm sorry it caused such an uproar,

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread Kevin Cozens
On 12-05-12 04:02 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: If we do care about it, is there a reason we add a Wilber logo to the top of the toolbar? As Tobias mentioned it is a drag and drop target area. There is a tooltip that pops up if you point at the area long enough with the mouse. The logo in

Re: [Gimp-developer] Translating GIMP from GIMP master (is wrong)

2012-05-12 Thread Kevin Cozens
On 12-05-09 05:30 AM, Gabor Kelemen wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/986897 Seems like a recent change in intltool causes this, which makes the scheme string extraction done by xgettext instead of intltools built-in and dropped parser. The information for revision

Re: [Gimp-developer] Translating GIMP from GIMP master (is wrong)

2012-05-12 Thread Kevin Cozens
On 12-05-12 05:03 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: On 12-05-09 05:30 AM, Gabor Kelemen wrote: Seems like a recent change in intltool causes this, which makes the scheme string extraction done by xgettext instead of intltools built-in and dropped parser. I forgot to add some information. There was

Re: [Gimp-developer] High bit depth processing

2012-05-12 Thread Simon Budig
Alexandre Prokoudine (alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com) wrote: 16bit PNG can be loaded and saved EXR opens as 32bit float, but is saved with 16bit precision. Also .hdr files are handled by file-gegl as well. Simon already evaluated porting TIFF loader to GEGL, but I couldn't understand a

Re: [Gimp-developer] High bit depth processing

2012-05-12 Thread Partha Bagchi
If it's making you swear using words that Alexandre can't understand, then the code must be elegant indeed. :) Is there is something one should know about the interaction with gegl for loading tiff or everything is contained in file-tiff-load.c? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Simon Budig

Re: [Gimp-developer] wilber in the toolbar

2012-05-12 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 18:37 +0200, gg wrote: [to SorinN] As the in-house GUI expert , I'm rather surprised you don't see that as the priority too. But if you have attachment there's probably no harm in you liking it. Useability does not operate in a vacuum - branding is part of the user