le goal in his mail few weeks ago? :)
Didn't he also say that the relevant part of code is more like 20%
done and hence should not be treated as what the team had in mind for
final design? :)
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ing stuff around.
No chance for 2.8?
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Is this a permanent
> change to GIMP?
It's a bug. Confirmed on Linux.
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> FYI, color management in Cairo is a work in progress. Adrian needs
> input on desired API, though. Without it he cannot proceed further.
>
> http://inkscape.13.n6.nabble.com/Creating-color-managed-PDFs-td4964914.html
; the screen (and doesn't care what these numbers "mean"), and Gimp is
> sending the monitor profile RGB numbers to Cairo.
FYI, color management in Cairo is a work in progress. Adrian needs
input on desired API, though. Without it he cannot proceed further.
http://inksca
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Paul Geraskin wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> In gimp 2.8.2 Gegl ColorManagement was removed (View -> Use Gegl (in the
> menu)).
It's not color management. It's just GEGL-based projection of layers.
You can revert the change and recompile GIMP.
ed WebP loader and saver? And if the
professor thinks, this is not sufficient, write foundations for UI to
saving options for GELG based code?
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o work on.
Personally I'd like to see a _team_ of Mac contributors. Seeing one
important community member (you) go away because the other happened to
be in the right time in the right place sounds like communication
breakdown to me. I'd rather avoid that.
Whatever your final decision is, I&
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ive, no X11 build?
> I have included no plugins, as they tend to quickly increase the size of the
> gimp application.
You mean native plugins or 3rd party?
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> with the OS).
http://9to5mac.com/2011/01/07/vlc-for-ios-removed-from-the-app-store/
http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg22451.html
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e professor is worried that
> the project won't be hard
> enough as it is.
Well, I'm not so sure that from the project's point of view redoing an
existing work is much reasonable.
Could we perhaps interest you in something more urgent for the project?
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configurable export
> settings. I intend to begin against libwebp-0.2 since it has alpha
> support and lossless encoding.
Awesome initiative, thanks :) Would you like to start with existing code? :)
http://registry.gimp.org/node/25874
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7;s, of course, if the mantainer of that site accepts it.
I don't think it's "they", it's "he" -- a singular :) And that's
exactly the reason there are so many spam issues. A single person
cannot moderate a popular site single-handedly.
If anyone has Ingo's
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wrote:
> We are not is the taking business here, you see. We are in the doing
> business. Please adjust your attitude accordingly.
s/taking/talking/
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l we talk about how broken things
are? Or shall _someone_ do something about it?
We are not is the taking business here, you see. We are in the doing
business. Please adjust your attitude accordingly.
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ed with spam most of which hasn't been dealt with in the last 2 days.
> What a mess! Are people responsible for the website maintenance on strike
> action or something?
No, we are all waiting for your wonderful webmaster skills to be
applied to the registry :) What's taking you so lo
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Marco Ciampa wrote:
> So what? Where is the 2.8.1 version gone?
Nowhere. We are skipping odd number for public releases now.
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sional designer and no stranger to GIMP -
> a centroid (center of gravity) for irregular shaped selection
> as a reference point when using transformation tools.
Unified Transform tool has already been merged to Git master with a
quite visible pivot mark.
e
> for that is hosted, and whether that is even translatable?
Of course it's translatable. It's just for some reason we don't keep
these file in the source tree (Inkscape does, for example), so
translations aren't really available. You'd have to ask ender
m local GNOME's translation team. Looking
up headers of PO files usually helps:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/po/pt.po
Docs are not available in Portuguese yet. There's only initial
translation into Brazilian Portuguese. There's gimp-docs@ mailing
list.
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the time to adjust the code for
2.8 (actually, I was going to have a go at it, but never found the
time either) and do a release.
> Question 1. Why apng isn't an officially supported file format?
My guess is that we just never evaluated it.
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On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Vincent Cadet wrote:
> Are such features planned in Gimp?
Kinda already done and hopefully will be available in 2.10.
http://pellelatarte.fr/en/2011/07/gimp-warp-tool-cest-la-mi-parcours/
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which we had to postpone in v2.8 development cycle.
Of course, you could just come up with something else. Here is an
up-to-date list of things that have top priority for us:
http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Roadmap
Please let us know what interests you most.
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Good to know :)
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Clayton Walker wrote:
> Ey, don't bring Macs into this, we're doing just fine.
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Could be anything on Windows and Mac.
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having tons of fun discussing deep philosophical
standpoints, but for the mere mortals... TL;DR: should I be adding "We
like autotools and think you should apologize for calling them
autohell" to our new FAQ?
Thanks.
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On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Jason Simanek wrote:
>> Doesn't Ctrl/Command+Alt+Z do the trick on Photoshop by default?
>
> Ctrl(Cmd)+Z/Ctrl(Cmd)+Shift+Z
I have a suspicion that Alt and Shift are different keys :)
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t. All in all, I wouldn't say it's a very good
example.
> The filter tab
The menu, you mean?
> Although GIMP has the added value of having the undo option (control-z) go
> back as far as your computer memory allows (which Photoshop does not, by
> defa
-q.html?m=1
Sorry, but sending people to a wall of text is not very helpful.
You'll have to explain what you were meant to say with this link :)
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only option is to tell users to hit Ctrl+S more often. :)
There's no reason other than slacking one couldn't implement dumping
stuff on harddrive and restoring in case of a crash.
You'd even be able to start GIMP and reopen all the projects you had
around when y
from a linear gamma
> color space, that also seems to no longer be a problem when using my
> lcms2 plug-in.
By the way, there is a recent change that you probably want to be
aware of, in case the next update of LCMS v2.x is soon.
https://github.com/mm2/Little-CMS/commit/8b13ad6a80ce0f2e193010
; memory/cpu intensive tasks but simple trivial stuff like navigating its
> Glyph Outline editor by mouse and click/dragging nodes and handles.
Simply put, running FontForge on WIndows is godawful and should be
punished by excommunication :)
Speaking of Windows, gimp.org just got updated.
ng whether to restore your previous session. :)
>
It's not every day that you get a message from dawn of times so well
preserved. Did someone just break into a sealed tomb with FontForge
bugreport scrolls from 2003? :)
FF got a lot more stable in last 4-5 years.
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ow long have you been reading this mailing list? My next question
depends on your answer.
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;t available presently (at least, I haven't heard
from him for last three years), but if there's a bug, it should be tracked.
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s in place thanks to Massimo.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:08 PM, SorinN wrote:
> and this is why I don't understand sometime your appetite for polemic.
There is none, but I can't stop you from imagining things, can I?
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ry again:
I'd like to know what developers know that :)
Meaning: "No developers know that, because your assumption about the
transition effect is incorrect" :)
The bug is known, the fix isn't trivial, mitch didn't have the time to
do it for 2.8.
If anyone's willing
transition cost
I'd like to know what developers know that :)
Slow rendering in 2.8 has nothing to do with GEGL.
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cation! :)
@Martin
> Yes, but it's written in OCaml and I expect to rewrite it completely in
> order to fit in the gimp dev environment.
That would be C and, preferably, as a GEGL operation :)
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>
> 1. Is it possible to do that using a Gimp script?
>
> 2. If so, Scheme or Python?
>
> 3. If a plugin makes more sense, will average users be able to install
> it for themselves or would I have to wait for the inclusion in some
> standard precompiled distribution?
Ju
mode is still on. I remove
selection. The "add" mode is still on. What am I doing wrong? :)
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+ its references could be a start.
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ite, I suppose they can save it right back.
This is not what was requested :)
Grafxuser's reply was spot on :)
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On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM, jmt wrote:
> Should I revert to gimp2.8 ?
You shouldn't be using 2.9 for production at this point of time for sure :)
Things break easily.
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IMP 2.6 or GIMP 2.8?
The "Windows > Dockable Dialogs" submenu has all the floating dialogs
you probably need.
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ins/common/whirl-pinch.c?h=gimp-2-8
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gegl/tree/operations/workshop/whirl-pinch.c
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On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Calculemus wrote:
> Wow the filters list is big. It is exactly the thing I want to work on.
>
> I am
plans.
However there are too many filters to be ported. So we'd need every
person willing to contribute.
That page has some intro docs. Feelk free to ask questions. For closer
communication it's best to hang out on IRC, either #gimp or #gegl.
http://www.gimp.org/irc.html
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;d be grateful for help in. Most image processing
will now be happening in GEGL (www.gegl.org) which is used by GIMP.
There always are filters to be ported to GEGL operations, new GEGL
operations to write, existing operations to be ported to use OpenCL
for hardware acceleration etc.
Alexandre Pr
er png files isn't sufficient.
E.g. have a good look at your greyscale Heal Brush icon. Do you like
it? :)
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Robert Krawitz wrote:
> Think in physical terms.
There's no way I will think about files in physical terms. It doesn't
make any sense whatsoever and it's going to only to complicate an
already annoying discussion.
I hereby resign from this
. And since GIMP is not a commercial
product, there's no support service between developers and users to be
shouted at.
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le that supports our
vision, while claiming that it contradicts it. That's one hell of an
IMHO from you :)
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h?
Which version of GIMP?
On what system?
In general, if you want a problem solved, you should be providing more
information about the conditions where the issue takes place.
P.S. Why is it a gimp-developer@ list material?
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s the use of external resources to store the image (FB, Flickr,
> Dropbox)...
And that proves exactly what? :)
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complex images from scratch being the focus.
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lly telling us that our design decision is wrong even
though we haven't even finished all of the work. If hell freezes, and
we revert the change, _you_ won't be around to deal with annoyed
target audience. _You_ won't have to deal with users on daily basis.
_You_ won't take res
"export anyway" or something
> similar?
A universally accepted truth is that users don't read warnings. This
will surely freak out few geeks who do read warnings carefully and
recite them occasionally over a pint of beer in a pub, but mostly
people really try to make stupid dialogs go
rt telling people about lossy saving again, but
this time it should add "And by the way, you are going to lose
precision, idiot" :) 'Coz we are designing idiotproof software round
here ;)
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) wrote:
> Personally I don't see any reason to revisit these concepts.
Even if, unlike Mypaint and Krita, GIMP doesn't have the notion of
background patterns? :)
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ind of multiple save (like B, but once set up,
> all the outputs would be updated automatically by a single save
> trigger). Instead with 2.8 we got manual export. :(
Now that is actually an interesting point :)
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This is not going to work. You see, the harder you push, the less
people are inclined to continue the conversation. Maybe you could stop
pushing while it's still possible to have a conversation?
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nk I have a solution. No matter what I say you always
get wrong and interpret in some utterly pervert way. Best I can do is
stop participating.
Good day to you.
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On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM, peter sikking wrote:
> something similar to that (without the pixels) has been applied as a patch
> for 2.8.1. (Bug 675399)
Could we please just have 2.8.1 released?
The amount of applied patches fully justifies that.
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keep going on and on about this can only
mean that you are trying to be a pain in the arse.
The current behavior is designed for people who work on multiple
layers and, generally, make the most of GIMP features. Noone says
you've got to love it.
r_selves?
> And if that happens I expect they would be suitably embarrassed and adult
> enough not to blame it on gimp.
Yes, I think _you_ would expect that.
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since 2.8 made its wau to the public, with very few exceptions.
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mple the rotate function, gimp could only rotate the selection from the
> center of the bounds.
Rotation around center point will be part of the new Unified Transform tool.
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red optimization phase with
regards to GEGL yet? :)
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On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Srihari Sriraman wrote:
> How about:
>
> Create
> Buttons
> Logos
> Pattern
I just want to note that most of those scripts will be gone in 2.10.
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> a uggly thing who made me lost a lot of time and patience. :D
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?h=gimp-2-8&id=187e20f3673ffd1d437c9aeb1232c4764760616f
The fix will be available in 2.8.1.
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> make it possible for someone to update the PSD plug-in to fully support text
> layers.
Or layer groups :) And port the plug-in to GEGL anyway :)
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> format is mostly undocumented and changes over time.
www.adobe.com/devnet-apps/photoshop/fileformatashtml/
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rnivores.
UI to GEGL is quite irrelevant to file format. It's data flow and
relations between objects what matters when it comes to storage.
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l under
impression from the Oatmeal's Tesla comic).
You can take a buffer, pass it thorugh a colorspace converter
(rgb2lab), pick a channel and plug it into a specific input of a GEGL
operation, then plug the output into another colorspace converter
(lab2rgb).
And you expect PSD to store the GEG
ed to SHOUT, Michael.
The principle of the thing is that saving and opening should always be
safe in terms of access to extra project data.
If you think about it in the long-term (say, non-destructive editing
implementation), you'll see that safe saving and opening PSD in GIMP
would be h
moving the pointer left-right immediately performs the adjustment.
> To commit, simply release the key.
This kind of interaction is already implemented in the Brightness/Contrast tool.
Try activating it and dragging the mouse pointer on the image
A similar interaction for Curves was inrtrodu
how is
> speed a necessity?
This is called a turn-round. It's how fast you can finish a job for
one client to switch to the next one.
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; import/export is for XCF.
>
> save/open is for JPEG, PNG, GIF, TIFF, ...
How does it align to the workflows of professionals?
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l enable you to prevent it
> from showing again.
I have a gut feeling that in terms of usability it is considered to be
a mortal sin :)
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at's another task for an interested developer.
How about making a publicly available list of platform-specific tasks?
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ate a patch for GTK+ which GTK+
team probably doesn't even want, when you could use native dialogs.
Personally I've no special opinion on native vs. GTK+ dialogs on
Windows. As a non-Windows user I'm fine with both :)
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are mutually exclusive on Windows.
And with the latter request you are telling us to patch the upstream
GTK+ dialog.
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ssing a clearer definition of the expected
> experience level. Only professionals seem to be addressed.
> Are the other people not targeted? Clearing this as a part of the product
> vision would be a big help to avoid misunderstandings.
This would be tricky. People can use professiona
27;t really equal to elitism :)
I agree that the change should have been explained earlier, and
hopefully we shall manage to avoid this kind of communication flops in
the future.
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, and then carry
> them through to be used by default on save. ]
The code to read quantization tables dates back at the very least to
2007. It's in plug-ins/jpeg/jpegqual.c.
Is it really important to discuss imaginary technical deficiences? Why?
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instead of GNOME, or Krita instead of
GIMP. This is why we like other projects so much: when some people
disagree with what we do, we can tell them -- hey, here is a nice app
you might like trying instead of GIMP.
Whether you see this choice is entirely up to you.
Alexand
at knifepoint. I wish they
remembered that well before making accusations.
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A policy that prohibits promotion of free software is suicidal for
that free software.
In the name of Wilber, proceed :)
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People can propose patch for the spec without need to have an
account." -- that smells like a welcome sign to spammers. And that's,
as far as I can tell, the only reason we have user registration by
request at wiki.gimp.org and gui.gimp.org.
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nd maintains an up-to-date list in the wiki.
...is entirely possible, but requires someone to be around at all
times. I will, of course, do my best, but cannot guarantee either
24/7/365 presence, or full understanding of all technical discussions.
it caused such an uproar, but at
least I didn't suggest renaming GIMP :)
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ds, it will take some time to get
this done. As usual, patches are welcome.
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iki.gimp.org/index.php/Hacking:Porting_filters_to_GEGL#File_loaders.2Fsavers
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would like to move this
description (once finished) to wiki.gimp.org :)
Let's see how interaction design part evolves.
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