Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-09 Thread C R via gimp-developer-list
GIMP is better than Photoshop for my purposes. No, it's not trying to copy (which I think is the actual problem most people have with GIMP), and therefore does some things differently as a result, and the tools are not a one-to-one match (thankfully). It's also free, completely cross-platform, and

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-09 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
ср, 9 янв. 2019 г., 7:24 Ryan Stark efflux...@googlemail.com: > Ardour is poor and there were lots of DAWs being developed on Linux > (probably still are but I don't look into it any more). > How many is "lots"? 10? 20? 30? :))) Ardour (and one or two its dead forks), Ecasound, Protux/Traverso.

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-09 Thread Simon Budig
Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list (gimp-developer-list@gnome.org) wrote: > Ardour is poor and there were lots of DAWs being developed on Linux > (probably still are but I don't look into it any more). Paul at Ardour is > arrogant. It doesn't matter if he is funded. Since on these issues you

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ken Moffat via gimp-developer-list
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 05:51:00AM +, Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote: > One question to ask is why are Procreate and Photoshop so popular with > digital painters and Photoshop wasn't even originally designed for this? > One major reason for this is the way the internal textures to

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
One question to ask is why are Procreate and Photoshop so popular with digital painters and Photoshop wasn't even originally designed for this? One major reason for this is the way the internal textures to the brushes are handled. Photoshop isn't even super fast for painting but this feature gives

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
Lets look at this simple constrain to straight line method. I don't know of other programs which allow pressure sensitivity to work with that although maybe some do. That might make the tool unique. On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 05:21, Ryan Stark wrote: > Ardour is poor and there were lots of DAWs

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
Ardour is poor and there were lots of DAWs being developed on Linux (probably still are but I don't look into it any more). Paul at Ardour is arrogant. It doesn't matter if he is funded. That doesn't make Ardour a success in terms of how it works. If you install Reaper on Linux there is absolutely

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:42 AM Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote: > You know, I started having my suspicions while reading your first email where you complained that GIMP tries to do everything, then proceeded complaining it is focused on photo editing rather than doing other things

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
As for the value sliders in Gimp. There was no need to have that dual slider or that awkward way of having the numerical input above those dual sliders making selecting these things fiddly. One slider would have sufficed with key commands to shift it in various increments. On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
Ofnuts. Some of the choices on Linux are fine like desktop environments but when it comes to the actual programs, having competing programs is damaging because there aren't enough developers as it is. If another open source 3D app competed with Blender that would draw coders away. Competing for

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ken Moffat via gimp-developer-list
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 06:23:27PM +, Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote: > If you aren't a heavy critic of Gimp there is something wrong with you. Since I no-longer have the mail this was apparently replying to, and given (from the subject) its apparent personal attack, I regard this

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread C R via gimp-developer-list
My GIMP pet peeves list is much longer than this, but I also see the tremendous work being done by so very few dedicated individuals, and this is why I temper my complaints with patience, understanding and gratitude. It's more helpful for people to be involved with the project, and take time to

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Budig
Hi Ryan. Your collection of pet peeves is impressive. Yet I believe that your generalization that they must affect everybody is blown way out of proportion. Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list (gimp-developer-list@gnome.org) wrote: > So many of Gimp's features seem unfinished. For example, look

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 2:09 AM Ryan Stark wrote: > Gimp should be usable as a painting program just like Photoshop is. We can have a nice long argument about that, because I can show you artwork made with GIMP, and you wouldn't be able to tell if it was done with GIMP, Krita, Painter, or

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
Alexandre, Mypaint has some new features in the development version which takes the brush engine onto a much better level. Also, Mypaint has been carefully designed for minimum hassle with workflow and UI. It is a very simple but effective app. I'm a fan of that app but I'm not such a fan of Krita

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ofnuts
On 1/8/19 7:23 PM, Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote: A sign of the problems is that on Linux we have Krita and Mypaint. If Gimp's tools had been better for painting and manipulating things on the canvas we would not have needed those apps. Now, that's a weird argument. Linux has always

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 8:27 PM Ryan Stark wrote: > > I appreciate that the app is free open source and developers are working for > free but it seems they are cut off from most users. What would you suggest to do that we don't already do? > Virtually every feature has some kind of usability bad

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
If you aren't a heavy critic of Gimp there is something wrong with you. I appreciate that the app is free open source and developers are working for free but it seems they are cut off from most users. This is apparent by simply using the app. Virtually every feature has some kind of usability bad

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г., 23:19 Simone Karin Lehmann sim...@lisanet.de: > … > > "We don't do "release dates" :) We release when it's ready.“ > > Niccolo still answers, IMO, very politely and explains why, in his opinion, he thinks planned release dates are > better than solely saying "we don't do

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno via gimp-developer-list
Now when reading you people, I can understand why is it that Guido stepped down from being the Python head. And why the GIMP dev team really have an option of being more recluse - I should tell you that I'd be in the same category of Prokoudine - mention GIMP as "us", although my code

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Massimo Fidanza via gimp-developer-list
It is very sad that this exchange of opinions ended up this way. GIMP is an open source software and is developed by volunteers, so time is better spent in developing than fighting. I like timebox releases as Ubuntu, but as said by Alexander after 2.10 release they found a new development model

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Niccolo Brogi via gimp-developer-list
I think this sums up my (and many other people's) sentiment perfectly: > To me it seems, that if a user, who doesn't contribute to GIMP, and uses the slightest words of critisism of GIMP will easily run into a situation where he gets told between the lines, that he’s a dumb user, who doesn’t know

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Simone Karin Lehmann
hhmm, well, just reading this whole thread here on the gimp-devel mailing list and on reddit, I really have to admit that Niccolo is right. The very first posting of Niccolo on reddit, that I can find is an answer to another user about a new version for Arch Linux, in which he simply says "No

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Niccolo Brogi via gimp-developer-list
You've been wonderful. On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 3:18 PM Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:47 PM C R wrote: > >> Well clearly he was harassing you with his facts and sarcasm. >> >> You'll pull through though. I believe in you! >> I've got to

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Niccolo Brogi via gimp-developer-list
I know, I know. Just saying. It would also have been funnier without the "trauma" part, ex. "I'm glad you found a support group.". Alright, see you. Bye. On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 12:47 PM C R wrote: > Well clearly he was harassing you with his facts and sarcasm. > > You'll pull through though.

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Niccolo Brogi via gimp-developer-list
Why, Alexandre causes trauma..? I thought he was nice. On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 12:40 PM C R wrote: > Happy you've found that support group you were looking for. :) > > Wishing you a speedy trauma recovery, > -C > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 11:04 Niccolo Brogi >> ...in the meantime, I'm getting

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Niccolo Brogi via gimp-developer-list
...in the meantime, I'm getting emails from people that see the whole thing exactly like me, and I assume fear harassment and won't say it out loud. How sad is this culture you've created. On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:50 AM C R wrote: > As someone who has worked many years alongside (at the desk

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Trevor Rose via gimp-developer-list
Hi, I’m nobody in particular, I don’t even use GIMP, but for some reason I’m tuned in to this conversation and haven’t bothered unsubscribing ... BUT might I offer a suggestion: 1 — it seems to me the most relevant points are as follows: — it is vital to be able to critique the product in order

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:47 PM C R wrote: > Well clearly he was harassing you with his facts and sarcasm. > > You'll pull through though. I believe in you! > I've got to go now though. Have fun with whatever this is. > I'm afraid I've been giving a bad example how to deal with abusive users.

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Simone Karin Lehmann
> Am 16.11.2018 um 12:46 C R via gimp-developer-list > : > > Well clearly he was harassing you with his facts and sarcasm. > > You'll pull through though. I believe in you! > I've got to go now though. Have fun with whatever this is. > Thank you for your sarcasm. And most of all, thanks for

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread C R via gimp-developer-list
Well clearly he was harassing you with his facts and sarcasm. You'll pull through though. I believe in you! I've got to go now though. Have fun with whatever this is. (thread muted) -C On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 11:42 Niccolo Brogi Why, Alexandre causes trauma..? I thought he was nice. > > On Fri,

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread C R via gimp-developer-list
As someone who has worked many years alongside (at the desk next to) customer service reps, I can verify that no amount of organisation or pleasantries can quell the entitlement of anyone who thinks you owe them something. Be that x feature in GIMP, or x release date for the next GIMP. People are

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2018-11-16 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г., 6:40 Trevor Rose tarose.tre...@gmail.com: > > 3 — the solution to the problem is to tighten up your communications > channels, and to use some other technology rather than just an email group, > and in which alternative system a person must be logged in, and each post, >