Am 22.06.2012 01:39, schrieb Guillermo Espertino (Gez):
El 21/06/12 20:22, Elle Stone escribió:
On 6/21/12, Tobias Oelgartetobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote:
I entirely agree with the observation that the export entry in the
menu is badly positioned. It really disappears between the icon
On 20 June 2012 22:04, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote:
People seem to learn best from adversity. If you corrupt your own image
file and did not make a pre-editing backup copy, you just might learn
something. However, if that same user is protected from doing something
stupid, then the
On 06/21/2012 12:48 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
All i would ask for is that the Save Image Dialog will always default
to *.xcf, but still would provide some quick way to save (export) to
another format at choice. At the moment i often find myself (purely out
of habit, which isn't only Gimps
On 21/06/12 10:20, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
You already mentioned habit. Having such an option would allow you to
keep what is now a bad habit (to not discern between saving the work and
exporting), instead of forming a new, productive one.
IMHO the distinction between saving and exporting is an
Am 21.06.2012 10:20, schrieb Thorsten Wilms:
On 06/21/2012 12:48 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
All i would ask for is that the Save Image Dialog will always default
to *.xcf, but still would provide some quick way to save (export) to
another format at choice. At the moment i often find myself
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Karl Günter Wünsch wrote:
BTW: I asked a few of my friends (who are less into image editing but
well capable of using a computer and who at most only knew the GIMP by
name) what export was supposed to mean and they all responded that it
was the use of
On 21/06/12 12:02, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Karl Günter Wünsch wrote:
BTW: I asked a few of my friends (who are less into image editing but
well capable of using a computer and who at most only knew the GIMP by
name) what export was supposed to mean and
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Karl Günter Wünsch wrote:
BTW: I asked a few of my friends (who are less into image editing but
well capable of using a computer and who at most only knew the GIMP by
name) what export was supposed to mean and they all responded that it
was the use of external
On 21 June 2012 10:48, Karl Günter Wünsch k...@mineralien-verkauf.de wrote:
On 21/06/12 10:20, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
You already mentioned habit. Having such an option would allow you to
keep what is now a bad habit (to not discern between saving the work and
exporting), instead of forming a
In fact it kills the motivation of developers who are
putting sizable parts of their life into creating, maintaining and
improving GIMP. When you kill motivation in volunteer-driven project,
you are not just destroying someones hobby - the project will
eventually stagnate, wither and die.
Oh
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Monty Montgomery wrote:
I was happy to hold my tongue until this. The developers are
*victims* of users being unhappy with a design decision?
Well, there's always been a certain pressure on the team. It comes
with maintaining a popular product. And since GIMP
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:51:36 +0200
Jon Nordby jono...@gmail.com wrote:
With these current facts, I do not think we shall try to deceive the
user into thinking that save and export is the same. They are not and
the consequence for mixing them up can result in a loss of data. None
of these facts
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:40:09 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Karl Günter Wünsch wrote:
BTW: I asked a few of my friends (who are less into image editing but
well capable of using a computer and who at most only knew the GIMP by
name) what export was
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Robert Krawitz wrote:
Think in physical terms.
There's no way I will think about files in physical terms. It doesn't
make any sense whatsoever and it's going to only to complicate an
already annoying discussion.
I hereby resign from this thread.
Alexandre
Von: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com
Well, there's always been a certain pressure on the team. It comes
with maintaining a popular product. And since GIMP is not a commercial
product, there's no support service between developers and users to be
shouted at.
And the few
From: pe...@mmiworks.net
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:58:33 +0200
To: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Bring back normal handling of other file
formats
Richard Gitschlag wrote:
So if I may throw an echo into the room and ask why the particular message
Now I remembered what I wanted to say earlier. I can't remember in response to
whom exactly, but here goes.
Save must record everything that is part of the document; that is the law.
That law also works in reverse.
If you write to a file format that cannot support everything in the
open
Von: Richard Gitschlag strata_ran...@hotmail.com
-- why is that? If you were working on an XCF file and make a significant,
possibly destructive change (like changing to indexed-color mode), there
is no mechanism to protect you from accidentally selecting Save if you
really meant Save As,
The first time I encountered the new export/save options, for some
reason I got angry. Odd, don't you think, getting angry at an
interface?
At one point I needed to open 9 screen-saved pngs in order to zealous
crop the margins and export back to the original pngs. Dismissing the
persistent save
On 06/21/2012 10:58 AM, Elle Stone wrote:
It also might ease the pain of transitioning to a new way of doing
things if Save read as Save xcf, Save a Copy read Save xcf
Copy, xcf serving as a gentle reminder of what will really will
happen.
+1
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Elle wrote:
There is one little interface change that would make things easier for
me. I'll suggest it, most tentatively. At present, the order in the
Gimp 2.9 drop-down menu is Save, Save as, Save a Copy, Revert, then a
big line in the sand, then Export to, Export, Create Template (I
can't
Am 21.06.2012 19:58, schrieb Elle Stone:
The first time I encountered the new export/save options, for some
reason I got angry. Odd, don't you think, getting angry at an
interface?
At one point I needed to open 9 screen-saved pngs in order to zealous
crop the margins and export back to the
On 6/21/12, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote:
I entirely agree with the observation that the export entry in the
menu is badly positioned. It really disappears between the icon heavy
save and print sections, which really seduces me to accidentally
switch off my brain and
El 21/06/12 20:22, Elle Stone escribió:
On 6/21/12, Tobias Oelgartetobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote:
I entirely agree with the observation that the export entry in the
menu is badly positioned. It really disappears between the icon heavy
save and print sections, which really seduces me to
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:22:43 +1000
From: grae...@argyllcms.com
To: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Bring back normal handling of other file
formats
Simon Budig wrote:
This discussion really boils down to a matter of taste and there are
arguments
El 20/06/12 12:34, Richard Gitschlag escribió:
The (as someone so pithily phrased it) Ha ha ha - No way am I letting
you do that manner in which GIMP informs you of the Save/Export
distinction can be anything from merely harmless to downright
offensive, depending on your individual workflow
Richard Gitschlag wrote:
So if I may throw an echo into the room and ask why the particular message
box CAN NOT provide a yes/no prompt, with Yes transferring control to the
Export box and No cancelling back to the Save dialog?
as I said before: no trip through Save if it is not safe.
it
El 20/06/12 12:58, peter sikking escribió:
Richard Gitschlag wrote:
So if I may throw an echo into the room and ask why the particular message box CAN NOT provide a
yes/no prompt, with Yes transferring control to the Export box and No
cancelling back to the Save dialog?
as I said before: no
On 06/20/2012 02:50 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
A universally accepted truth is that users don't read warnings. This
will surely freak out few geeks who do read warnings carefully and
recite them occasionally over a pint of beer in a pub, but mostly
people really try to make stupid dialogs
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 04:04:31PM -0400, Jay Smith wrote:
ONE QUESTION... relating to locking down Gimp upgrades due to this
situation: As of Gimp 2.6.6 (on Ubuntu Linux), the creation perms
for TIFF (and I think some other) file types are wrong. I reported
this bug (after being told that
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:50:01 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) wrote:
But I just had an idea (sorry if anybody already suggested it and I
missed it): What if the merely harmeless to downright offensive
popup saying that Save is for
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Robert Krawitz wrote:
If they don't, their bad fortune. Making a common operation less
convenient for everyone because some user may not realize what's going
on -- and no way to turn off the inconvenience -- is unnecessarily
paternalistic, IMHO.
Well, if
On 06/20/2012 04:40 PM, Marco Ciampa wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 04:04:31PM -0400, Jay Smith wrote:
ONE QUESTION... relating to locking down Gimp upgrades due to this
situation: As of Gimp 2.6.6 (on Ubuntu Linux), the creation perms
for TIFF (and I think some other) file types are wrong. I
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:13:29 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Robert Krawitz wrote:
If they don't, their bad fortune. Making a common operation less
convenient for everyone because some user may not realize what's going
on -- and no way to turn off the
Simon Budig wrote:
This discussion really boils down to a matter of taste and there are
arguments for both ways. Unfortunately in your case you're taste weighs
less than the taste of Peter to the developers.
If it was purely taste, I wouldn't bother commenting.
It's a lack of logic though -
On 17 June 2012 00:22, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM, peter sikking wrote:
something similar to that (without the pixels) has been applied as a patch
for 2.8.1. (Bug 675399)
Could we please just have 2.8.1 released?
The amount
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 22:10 +0300, Cristian Secară wrote:
[...]
There is, however, a big annoyance in the following scenario:
- open GIMP
- drop a (say) .png image
- change something there
- export the modified image to other (say) .png
- close GIMP
- the program asks Do you want to save
Richard Gitschlag wrote:
I doubt that would violate the terms of the Save/Export spec that the dev
team swears by.
yes it does. you cannot go through save if it is not safe.
Well, the spec only says:
Save, ‘Save as’ and ‘Save a copy’ shall only save to (compressed) GIMP
Liam wrote:
I'd be OK if it *told* me,
File Untitled has not been saved as xcf.
It has been exported as paisley.jpg [300x500px]
so that I knew the status and the warning was useful.
something similar to that (without the pixels) has been applied as a patch for
2.8.1. (Bug 675399)
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM, peter sikking wrote:
something similar to that (without the pixels) has been applied as a patch
for 2.8.1. (Bug 675399)
Could we please just have 2.8.1 released?
The amount of applied patches fully justifies that.
Alexandre Prokoudine
(Gez) wrote:
That being said, I do agree that the overwrite function is somewhat odd (it
hasn't a default keystroke, it disappears once you used it and becomes
export).
I did not put keystroke by default to be on the safe side.
for those who overwriting is actually part of their routine,
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Graeme Gill wrote:
Many users will not agree that this is the case in every or even most
situations.
It's not about many users, it's about the target audience whose
interestes get the top priority.
The target audience has been consistently approving this
El 15/06/12 11:35, Nathan Summers escribió:
I still wonder how much the target audience overlaps with the actual
audience. :)
Let me put it this way: I still wonder how can we attract our target
audience if we do things for a different audience.
GIMP project has chosen a sane path: to define
În data de Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:33:54 +0200, Simon Budig a scris:
And many users will (and have even on this list) agreed, that this
change makes sense.
I agreed with the actual change, which I find useful and on the safe
side as mentioned here.
There is, however, a big annoyance in the
Cristian Secară (li...@secarica.ro) wrote:
If I use OpenOffice/LibreOffice and export a document to something
different than OpenDocument format, if after export I just close the
program, the program simply closes. _This_ is normal.
This is just not true.
* open a .odt file into libreoffice
*
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:03:41 +0200
From: g...@catking.net
To: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Gimp-developer] Bring back normal handling of other file formats
[...]
Gimp's inability to work with standard formats is becoming a major PITA.
Perhaps gimp was not such a bad
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:03:41 +0200
From: g...@catking.net
To: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Gimp-developer] Bring back normal handling of other file formats
AT this point, I often need to check the resulting file size.
If I go to Image | Properties I find the file name and
On Jun 14, 2012, at 16:37, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
I still believe GIMP should, instead of merely informing the user that Save
operates in XCF only, offer an export/save xcf/cancel option which would
alleviate the need to go back and use a different dialog as a separate step.
(You never
Bring Back Save is the new CMYK. :-)
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peter sikking wrote:
yes it does. you cannot go through save if it is not safe.
Safe is a value judgement. The assumption being made is that preserving
every possible detail that gimp can create overrides every other consideration.
Many users will not agree that this is the case in every or
El 14/06/12 21:19, Graeme Gill escribió:
Safe is a value judgement. The assumption being made is that preserving
every possible detail that gimp can create overrides every other consideration.
Many users will not agree that this is the case in every or even most
situations.
If they are opening
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