Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/16/2014 03:37 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: Is there in fact general agreement among the devs that the criteria for deciding when to use sRGB primaries instead of UserRGB primaries is approximately as follows?

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/14/2014 08:50 AM, Simon Budig wrote: for conversions between RGB working spaces there is no fundamental distinction between XYZ and unbounded linear gamma sRGB. There is one fundamental difference between XYZ as the real PCS and sRGB as PCS (those are scare quotes; the terminology sRGB

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: On 10/16/2014 03:37 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: Is there in fact general agreement among the devs that the criteria for deciding

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Elle Stone
In the current babl/GEGL/GIMP code base, I counted five files that contain functions that require a conversion from RGB to XYZ: 1. gimp/plug-ins/common/decompose.c 2. gimp/plug-ins/common/compose.c 3. gimp/app/core/gimpimage-convert-type.c 4. gegl/operations/common/image-compare.c 5.

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Elle Stone
Unfortunately for hard-coded sRGB as PCS, the ICC profile specifications are a moving target. Right now the ICC profile illuminant is always D50. But in the next planned release of new specifications, things will change: //begin quote from http://color.org/DevCon/devcon14.xalter While this

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Simon Budig
Elle Stone (ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com) wrote: //begin quote from http://color.org/DevCon/devcon14.xalter While this fixed PCS is capable of delivering unambiguous color transforms, it cannot support the increasing demand for spectrally-based reproduction. [...] Tying GIMP to sRGB as

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/17/2014 06:39 AM, Simon Budig wrote: Elle Stone (ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com) wrote: //begin quote from http://color.org/DevCon/devcon14.xalter While this fixed PCS is capable of delivering unambiguous color transforms, it cannot support the increasing demand for spectrally-based

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: Tying GIMP to sRGB as PCS is a dead-end move. If you take spectrally based reproduction as an argument against sRGB as PCS you should be at least be so fair to also mention that *any* RGB based image editing

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Simon Budig
Elle Stone (ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com) wrote: On 10/17/2014 06:39 AM, Simon Budig wrote: Elle Stone (ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com) wrote: //begin quote from http://color.org/DevCon/devcon14.xalter While this fixed PCS is capable of delivering unambiguous color transforms, it cannot

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: On 10/17/2014 06:59 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: As a former researcher at a national color science laboratory, and a major contributor to babl and GEGL; I probably have no idea about these things – and how the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/17/2014 07:08 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: On 10/17/2014 06:59 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: As a former researcher at a national color science laboratory, and a major contributor to babl and GEGL; I probably have no

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap

2014-10-17 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: On 10/17/2014 07:08 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: On 10/17/2014 06:59 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: As a former researcher at a national

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap: How do you know which images are sRGB images?

2014-10-17 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/14/2014 07:16 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 06:36 PM, Elle Stone wrote: So again, upon opening an image, how do you plan to detect whether the image is an sRGB image or not? Will you compare MD5

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap: How do you know which images are sRGB images?

2014-10-17 Thread Ed .
Elle, It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs,