[Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.8 plugins which not work properly with Gimp 2.9.x/2.10.x

[Thorsten Stettin]

Good morning, folks,

AFAIK there are some old plugins which not work properly with Gimp 
2.9.x/2.10.x.


Is there any way to determine which old plugins don't work (properly) 
any more?


I concern that some users could be confused if their favourite plugins 
crashes e.g. I think that could be a bad user experience.


Any ideas? Blacklisting?

Cheers

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.8 plugins which not work properly with Gimp 2.9.x/2.10.x

[Thorsten Stettin]

Am 24.06.17 um 10:24 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine:

Which is more overwhelming for a user? Not being able to locate a
blacklisted plugin or being able to tell people what error it fails with?

Alex

You answers my questions with questions. Nice, Dude. 8-)


24 июня 2017 г. 11:10 пользователь "Thorsten Stettin" <
thorsten.stet...@gmail.com> написал:


Good morning, folks,

AFAIK there are some old plugins which not work properly with Gimp
2.9.x/2.10.x.

Is there any way to determine which old plugins don't work (properly) any
more?

I concern that some users could be confused if their favourite plugins
crashes e.g. I think that could be a bad user experience.

Any ideas? Blacklisting?

Cheers

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Der eine ist die Liebe, der zweite ist die Genügsamkeit, der dritte ist
die Demut.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.8 plugins which not work properly with Gimp 2.9.x/2.10.x

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

Which is more overwhelming for a user? Not being able to locate a
blacklisted plugin or being able to tell people what error it fails with?

Alex

24 июня 2017 г. 11:10 пользователь "Thorsten Stettin" <
thorsten.stet...@gmail.com> написал:

> Good morning, folks,
>
> AFAIK there are some old plugins which not work properly with Gimp
> 2.9.x/2.10.x.
>
> Is there any way to determine which old plugins don't work (properly) any
> more?
>
> I concern that some users could be confused if their favourite plugins
> crashes e.g. I think that could be a bad user experience.
>
> Any ideas? Blacklisting?
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Lao-Tse sagt: Nichtstun ist besser, als mit viel Mühe nichts zu schaffen.
> Und er sagt auch: Ich habe drei Schätze, die ich hüte und hege.
> Der eine ist die Liebe, der zweite ist die Genügsamkeit, der dritte ist
> die Demut.
> Nur der Liebende ist mutig, nur der Genügsame ist großzügig, nur der
> Demütige ist fähig zu herrschen.
>
>
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[Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.8 plugins which not work properly with Gimp 2.9.x/2.10.x

[Thorsten Stettin]

Good morning, folks,

AFAIK there are some old plugins which not work properly with Gimp 
2.9.x/2.10.x.


Is there any way to determine which old plugins don't work (properly) 
any more?


I concern that some users could be confused if their favourite plugins 
crashes e.g. I think that could be a bad user experience.


Any ideas? Blacklisting?

Cheers

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Lao-Tse sagt: Nichtstun ist besser, als mit viel Mühe nichts zu schaffen.
Und er sagt auch: Ich habe drei Schätze, die ich hüte und hege.
Der eine ist die Liebe, der zweite ist die Genügsamkeit, der dritte ist 
die Demut.
Nur der Liebende ist mutig, nur der Genügsame ist großzügig, nur der 
Demütige ist fähig zu herrschen.




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Re: [Gimp-developer] Trouble with building Gimp 2.9.5 against libmypaint

[Thorsten Stettin]

Am 24.06.17 um 14:00 schrieb Partha Bagchi:



On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Thorsten Stettin 
> wrote:


Hello,

OS: Ubuntu 17.10

Build environment: launchpad.net 

libmypaint: 2.0.0

https://github.com/mypaint/libmypaint/commit/e5beceeb552c0889e89ae252594cff16ffe8f241


gimp:

https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=970e9aca9076043349060a472149ddabb57c


issue:

/<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c: In function
‘gimp_mybrush_core_motion’:
/<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:281:11: error: too
few arguments to function ‘mypaint_brush_stroke_to’
   mypaint_brush_stroke_to (brush,
   ^~~
In file included from
/<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:26:0:
/usr/include/libmypaint/mypaint-brush.h:44:1: note: declared here
 mypaint_brush_stroke_to(MyPaintBrush *self, MyPaintSurface
*surface, float x, float y,
 ^~~
/<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:317:7: error: too few
arguments to function ‘mypaint_brush_stroke_to’
   mypaint_brush_stroke_to (brush,
   ^~~
In file included from
/<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:26:0:
/usr/include/libmypaint/mypaint-brush.h:44:1: note: declared here
 mypaint_brush_stroke_to(MyPaintBrush *self, MyPaintSurface
*surface, float x, float y,

buildlog:

https://launchpadlibrarian.net/325334804/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.gimp_2.9.5~115-0a0~ppa~970e9ac_BUILDING.txt.gz



Any hints?

Thanks for your help.

Cheers


It has been mentioned at least 3 times in as many days. :)

This don't impress me much.


Revert your libmypaint to a commit prior to the current one.

Don't go back look forward. Your opinion I cannot accept.
I wrote messages to Andrew Chadwick  and Brien 
Dieterle  too.

AFAIK the both are maintaining the project.
Please agrees you.

Thanks




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Re: [Gimp-developer] request

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2017-06-24 11:29 AM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:

Am Freitag, 23. Juni 2017, 12:14:19 CEST schrieb Bert de Jong:

When saving a JPG


GIMP doesn't allow to save a JPEG for quite some versions now.


It doesn't allow you to save as JPEG. You need to export an image as a JPEG.

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[Gimp-developer] plugin development on a mac

[Jason Scherer]

Hello,

I'd like to do some plugin development and have been trying to get set up
to do this on a mac.  This has been difficult.  From what I've been able to
gather you have to build from source in order to develop a plugin, because
you need access to gimptool, and that's not available in the typical app
bundles that are distributed for mac.  Gimp obviously has a lot of
dependencies so I was hoping to use a package manager, like brew, to
install at least those (brew doesn't install gimp from source, it uses the
"cask" feature to just install the ".app").  I used brew to install quite a
few of the dependencies but there are issues now where the "configure"
script for gimp doesn't think that gtk+ and pango are installed (even
though they were installed by brew).

I think macports does allow you to build/install gimp from source with one
command. I don't want to revert to using macports because I prefer brew,
but will if absolutely necessary.

I'm emailing the list to ask: is there anyone else building plugins on a
mac?  Did you have issues getting set up?  Is there really no way to build
plugins other than by building all of gimp from source?

Thanks,
Jason
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Re: [Gimp-developer] request

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2017-06-24 02:40 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:

Am Samstag, 24. Juni 2017, 13:02:11 CEST schrieb Kevin Cozens:

On 2017-06-24 11:29 AM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:

Am Freitag, 23. Juni 2017, 12:14:19 CEST schrieb Bert de Jong:

When saving a JPG


GIMP doesn't allow to save a JPEG for quite some versions now.


It doesn't allow you to save as JPEG. You need to export an image as a JPEG.


That's what I said.


ok. I missed the earlier part of the thread. It read to me like someone was 
saying their version of GIMP is not able to create JPEG files.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] request

[Tobias Ellinghaus]

Am Samstag, 24. Juni 2017, 19:39:58 CEST schrieb Ofnuts:
> On 06/23/17 14:14, Bert de Jong wrote:
> > When saving a JPG, please warn if there is transparency.
> > Currently GIMP saves such images without warnings and just uses the
> > current background color.
> > I think a lot of people do not use XCF and are used to saving
> > transparency to PNG and GIF files.
> > 
> > I think it's customary for GIMP to warn when operations initiated by
> > the user will be performed slightly different than the user might
> > expect.
> > An example is when scaling indexed images.
> > It then says: "Indexed color layers are always scaled without
> > interpolation. The chosen interpolation type will affect channels and
> > layer masks only."
> > 
> > Thanks.
> 
> Given the number of times I've seen people complaining about the loss of
> transparency, that would be a good idea.
> 
> 
> What Gimp could have is either a counter of the number of times a
> warning has been issued (and stop issuing it after a while)

That sounds like a bad idea. People will rely on the warning to be there so 
they can cancel the export and do something appropriate. Suddenly stopping to 
show it will make them complain.

> or a "Don't
> tell me again" checkbox.

Tobias

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Re: [Gimp-developer] plugin development on a mac

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

24 июня 2017 г. 11:03 PM пользователь "Jason Scherer" <
jason.sche...@gmail.com> написал:

I'm emailing the list to ask: is there anyone else building plugins on a
mac?  Did you have issues getting set up?  Is there really no way to build
plugins other than by building all of gimp from source?


We briefly discussed this a while ago. Ideally, we should provide some sort
of SDK package for macOS. But our .dmg maintainer is a busy dude with not
much spare time.

I'm sure that Partha will share some knowledge on building plug-ins for
macOS. He's been doing that for quite a while.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Trouble with building Gimp 2.9.5 against libmypaint

[Michael Schumacher]

Am 24.06.2017 um 18:19 schrieb Thorsten Stettin:
> Am 24.06.17 um 18:08 schrieb Michael Schumacher:

>> P.S. please do not hijack old threads on the list for new topics, create
>> new messages for those. Changing the subject is not sufficient to start
>> new threads.
>>
> Hijack old threads? Are you kidding me? 

No, I'm not.

There's two header lines from the your message which started the current
topic:

[...]
In-Reply-To: <3578e766-a90f-ea46-2cb0-372a7bbe5...@gmail.com>
[...]
Subject: [Gimp-developer] Trouble with building Gimp 2.9.5 against
libmypaint
[...]

Note the "In-Reply-To". You have started this message by replying to an
existing message and changed the subject. You shouldn't do this, as it
gets threading all wrong.

This can be avoided by starting a new mail message to the list address
for new topics.

> Who do you think you are?

Someone who knows that the actions described above are called thread
hijacking, or threadjacking.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] request

[Ofnuts]

On 06/23/17 14:14, Bert de Jong wrote:

When saving a JPG, please warn if there is transparency.
Currently GIMP saves such images without warnings and just uses the
current background color.
I think a lot of people do not use XCF and are used to saving
transparency to PNG and GIF files.

I think it's customary for GIMP to warn when operations initiated by
the user will be performed slightly different than the user might
expect.
An example is when scaling indexed images.
It then says: "Indexed color layers are always scaled without
interpolation. The chosen interpolation type will affect channels and
layer masks only."

Thanks.

Given the number of times I've seen people complaining about the loss of 
transparency, that would be a good idea.



What Gimp could have is either a counter of the number of times a 
warning has been issued (and stop issuing it after a while) or a "Don't 
tell me again" checkbox.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Trouble with building Gimp 2.9.5 against libmypaint

[Michael Schumacher]

Am 24.06.2017 um 16:34 schrieb Thorsten Stettin:
> Am 24.06.17 um 14:00 schrieb Partha Bagchi:

>> It has been mentioned at least 3 times in as many days. :)
> This don't impress me much.

Do you follow the GIMP and libmypaint bug trackers? If not, then you
should do so (and read the notifications you get).

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783936
https://github.com/mypaint/libmypaint/issues/92


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Re: [Gimp-developer] request

[Tobias Ellinghaus]

Am Samstag, 24. Juni 2017, 13:02:11 CEST schrieb Kevin Cozens:
> On 2017-06-24 11:29 AM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 23. Juni 2017, 12:14:19 CEST schrieb Bert de Jong:
> >> When saving a JPG
> > 
> > GIMP doesn't allow to save a JPEG for quite some versions now.
> 
> It doesn't allow you to save as JPEG. You need to export an image as a JPEG.

That's what I said.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] request

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

24 июня 2017 г. 8:40 PM пользователь "Ofnuts"  написал:

What Gimp could have is either a counter of the number of times a warning
has been issued (and stop issuing it after a while) or a "Don't tell me
again" checkbox.


So that people treat it like something annoying and disable it, then still
run into the issue?

Personally, I'd rather see a combobox in JOEG exporting options to select
background color, with these options: Black, White, Current Background
Color, Cyrrent Foreground Color.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Trouble with building Gimp 2.9.5 against libmypaint

[Thorsten Stettin]

Am 24.06.17 um 18:08 schrieb Michael Schumacher:

Am 24.06.2017 um 16:34 schrieb Thorsten Stettin:

Am 24.06.17 um 14:00 schrieb Partha Bagchi:

It has been mentioned at least 3 times in as many days. :)

This don't impress me much.

Do you follow the GIMP and libmypaint bug trackers? If not, then you
should do so (and read the notifications you get).

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783936
https://github.com/mypaint/libmypaint/issues/92


P.S. please do not hijack old threads on the list for new topics, create
new messages for those. Changing the subject is not sufficient to start
new threads.


Hijack old threads? Are you kidding me? I'm just a fucking packager who needs 
some help.

Who do you think you are?


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Trouble with building Gimp 2.9.5 against libmypaint

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

24 июня 2017 г. 2:27 PM пользователь "Thorsten Stettin" <
thorsten.stet...@gmail.com> написал:


libmypaint: 2.0.0


https://github.com/mypaint/libmypaint/commit/aace2b9bdfb944d40360506d76cb36ae046f0076


https://github.com/mypaint/libmypaint/issues/92

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Re: [Gimp-developer] request

[C R]

Was going to recommend this myself. I agree with Alex's suggestion:

Personally, I'd rather see a combobox in JPEG exporting options to select
background color, with these options: Black, White, Current Background
Color, Cyrrent Foreground Color.

Alex


If we do this, there is no need for a warning.


-C



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Re: [Gimp-developer] request

[Tobias Ellinghaus]

Am Freitag, 23. Juni 2017, 12:14:19 CEST schrieb Bert de Jong:
> When saving a JPG

GIMP doesn't allow to save a JPEG for quite some versions now.

[...]

Tobias

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Trouble with building Gimp 2.9.5 against libmypaint

[Partha Bagchi]

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Thorsten Stettin <
thorsten.stet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> OS: Ubuntu 17.10
>
> Build environment: launchpad.net
>
> libmypaint: 2.0.0 https://github.com/mypaint/lib
> mypaint/commit/e5beceeb552c0889e89ae252594cff16ffe8f241
> gimp: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=970e9aca9076043
> 349060a472149ddabb57c
> issue:
>
> /<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c: In function
> ‘gimp_mybrush_core_motion’:
> /<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:281:11: error: too few
> arguments to function ‘mypaint_brush_stroke_to’
>mypaint_brush_stroke_to (brush,
>^~~
> In file included from /<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:26:0:
> /usr/include/libmypaint/mypaint-brush.h:44:1: note: declared here
>  mypaint_brush_stroke_to(MyPaintBrush *self, MyPaintSurface *surface,
> float x, float y,
>  ^~~
> /<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:317:7: error: too few
> arguments to function ‘mypaint_brush_stroke_to’
>mypaint_brush_stroke_to (brush,
>^~~
> In file included from /<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:26:0:
> /usr/include/libmypaint/mypaint-brush.h:44:1: note: declared here
>  mypaint_brush_stroke_to(MyPaintBrush *self, MyPaintSurface *surface,
> float x, float y,
>
> buildlog: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/325334804/buildlog_ubuntu-art
> ful-amd64.gimp_2.9.5~115-0a0~ppa~970e9ac_BUILDING.txt.gz
>
> Any hints?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> It has been mentioned at least 3 times in as many days. :)

Revert your libmypaint to a commit prior to the current one.
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[Gimp-developer] Trouble with building Gimp 2.9.5 against libmypaint

[Thorsten Stettin]

Hello,

OS: Ubuntu 17.10

Build environment: launchpad.net

libmypaint: 2.0.0 
https://github.com/mypaint/libmypaint/commit/e5beceeb552c0889e89ae252594cff16ffe8f241
gimp: 
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=970e9aca9076043349060a472149ddabb57c

issue:

/<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c: In function 
‘gimp_mybrush_core_motion’:
/<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:281:11: error: too few arguments 
to function ‘mypaint_brush_stroke_to’
   mypaint_brush_stroke_to (brush,
   ^~~
In file included from /<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:26:0:
/usr/include/libmypaint/mypaint-brush.h:44:1: note: declared here
 mypaint_brush_stroke_to(MyPaintBrush *self, MyPaintSurface *surface, float x, 
float y,
 ^~~
/<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:317:7: error: too few arguments to 
function ‘mypaint_brush_stroke_to’
   mypaint_brush_stroke_to (brush,
   ^~~
In file included from /<>/app/paint/gimpmybrushcore.c:26:0:
/usr/include/libmypaint/mypaint-brush.h:44:1: note: declared here
 mypaint_brush_stroke_to(MyPaintBrush *self, MyPaintSurface *surface, float x, 
float y,

buildlog: 
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/325334804/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.gimp_2.9.5~115-0a0~ppa~970e9ac_BUILDING.txt.gz

Any hints?

Thanks for your help.

Cheers


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[Gimp-developer] request

[Bert de Jong]

When saving a JPG, please warn if there is transparency.
Currently GIMP saves such images without warnings and just uses the
current background color.
I think a lot of people do not use XCF and are used to saving
transparency to PNG and GIF files.

I think it's customary for GIMP to warn when operations initiated by
the user will be performed slightly different than the user might
expect.
An example is when scaling indexed images.
It then says: "Indexed color layers are always scaled without
interpolation. The chosen interpolation type will affect channels and
layer masks only."

Thanks.

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