Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ofnuts
On 1/8/19 7:23 PM, Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote: A sign of the problems is that on Linux we have Krita and Mypaint. If Gimp's tools had been better for painting and manipulating things on the canvas we would not have needed those apps. Now, that's a weird argument. Linux has always

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
Ardour is poor and there were lots of DAWs being developed on Linux (probably still are but I don't look into it any more). Paul at Ardour is arrogant. It doesn't matter if he is funded. That doesn't make Ardour a success in terms of how it works. If you install Reaper on Linux there is absolutely

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread C R via gimp-developer-list
My GIMP pet peeves list is much longer than this, but I also see the tremendous work being done by so very few dedicated individuals, and this is why I temper my complaints with patience, understanding and gratitude. It's more helpful for people to be involved with the project, and take time to

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
Ofnuts. Some of the choices on Linux are fine like desktop environments but when it comes to the actual programs, having competing programs is damaging because there aren't enough developers as it is. If another open source 3D app competed with Blender that would draw coders away. Competing for

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
Alexandre, Mypaint has some new features in the development version which takes the brush engine onto a much better level. Also, Mypaint has been carefully designed for minimum hassle with workflow and UI. It is a very simple but effective app. I'm a fan of that app but I'm not such a fan of Krita

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ken Moffat via gimp-developer-list
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 06:23:27PM +, Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote: > If you aren't a heavy critic of Gimp there is something wrong with you. Since I no-longer have the mail this was apparently replying to, and given (from the subject) its apparent personal attack, I regard this

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:42 AM Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote: > You know, I started having my suspicions while reading your first email where you complained that GIMP tries to do everything, then proceeded complaining it is focused on photo editing rather than doing other things

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
Lets look at this simple constrain to straight line method. I don't know of other programs which allow pressure sensitivity to work with that although maybe some do. That might make the tool unique. On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 05:21, Ryan Stark wrote: > Ardour is poor and there were lots of DAWs

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 2:09 AM Ryan Stark wrote: > Gimp should be usable as a painting program just like Photoshop is. We can have a nice long argument about that, because I can show you artwork made with GIMP, and you wouldn't be able to tell if it was done with GIMP, Krita, Painter, or

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ken Moffat via gimp-developer-list
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 05:51:00AM +, Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote: > One question to ask is why are Procreate and Photoshop so popular with > digital painters and Photoshop wasn't even originally designed for this? > One major reason for this is the way the internal textures to

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
As for the value sliders in Gimp. There was no need to have that dual slider or that awkward way of having the numerical input above those dual sliders making selecting these things fiddly. One slider would have sufficed with key commands to shift it in various increments. On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
One question to ask is why are Procreate and Photoshop so popular with digital painters and Photoshop wasn't even originally designed for this? One major reason for this is the way the internal textures to the brushes are handled. Photoshop isn't even super fast for painting but this feature gives

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Budig
Hi Ryan. Your collection of pet peeves is impressive. Yet I believe that your generalization that they must affect everybody is blown way out of proportion. Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list (gimp-developer-list@gnome.org) wrote: > So many of Gimp's features seem unfinished. For example, look

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list
If you aren't a heavy critic of Gimp there is something wrong with you. I appreciate that the app is free open source and developers are working for free but it seems they are cut off from most users. This is apparent by simply using the app. Virtually every feature has some kind of usability bad

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

2019-01-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 8:27 PM Ryan Stark wrote: > > I appreciate that the app is free open source and developers are working for > free but it seems they are cut off from most users. What would you suggest to do that we don't already do? > Virtually every feature has some kind of usability bad