Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Michael Henning
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Gez lis...@ohweb.com.ar wrote: P.s.: If you think this discussion is a waste of your time and my time, feel free to skip an answer. I don't think it's a waste of time at all, it's developer/user interaction regarding important aspects of the tool. Do you

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/17/2014 06:56 PM, Simon Budig wrote: Oh, I was under the assumption that AdobeRGB had well defined chromaticies. If that is not the case then please consider my example moot. I am well aware that dealing with color profiles most definitely is not my area of expertise. It absolutely does

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Ed .
Great! Glad to hear it! Please prove to us your understanding by expressing, in your own words, the difference between a design detail and an implementation detail. Ciao, Ed -Original Message- From: Elle Stone Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:17 AM To: Ed . ; Mikael Magnusson

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Simos Xenitellis
These are the type of emails that are not helpful. It is not helpful also because it's a rephrased email that was sent 15 hours ago. Simos On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Ed . ej...@hotmail.com wrote: Great! Glad to hear it! Please prove to us your understanding by expressing, in your own

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Ed . wrote: Great! Glad to hear it! Please prove to us If you have personal issues with any of the list members, I strongly advice taking it off-list. We'd like to keep the interaction professional, thank you. Alex

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/18/2014 03:05 AM, Michael Henning wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Gez lis...@ohweb.com.ar wrote: P.s.: If you think this discussion is a waste of your time and my time, feel free to skip an answer. I don't think it's a waste of time at all, it's developer/user interaction

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/18/2014 11:00 AM, Elle Stone wrote: Convincing the babl/GEGL/GIMP devs of anything regarding color management has never been easy. For example, in 2013 I tried to explain why there is a difference between device Y vs ICC profile D50-adapted Y: *

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Simon Budig
As a small aside... Alexandre Prokoudine (alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com) wrote: We'd like to keep the interaction professional, thank you. I'd like to ask everyone involved in this discussion to remove the gimp-user mailinglist from the CC-list. The level of this discussion really is hardcore

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Michael Henning did understand and did make appropriate changes to babl's hard-coded sRGB Y values. But I doubt whether any of the other devs understood; if they did, babl wouldn't still use D65 device sRGB to convert to XYZ before converting

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Elle Stone
In keeping with Simon's request, I'm not copying the user list. On 11/18/2014 11:16 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Michael Henning did understand and did make appropriate changes to babl's hard-coded sRGB Y values. But I doubt whether any of