Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-30 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
It's your lucky day: next LGM is in London.

Alex
 30 апр. 2015 г. 16:07 пользователь C R caj...@gmail.com написал:

 I'd give just about anything to be able to afford the trip to Toronto at
 the moment. I may be able to do so next year. It's a long way for me, since
 I'm London-based. I'd be happy to help with GIMP brand identity if that is
 helpful. I do it all the time for work.

 Best,
 -C

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de
 wrote:

 
 
  On 04/30/2015 12:07 AM, C R wrote:
 
   Come to think of it, I'd like to see more GIMP teeshirts. Is there
   somewhere where we can submit designs for them, where profits go to the
   project?
 
  We have a proposal from someone who wants to create shirts - and other
  stuff.
 
  What we've been slow about is determining how the GIMP mark (it has been
  pointed out to us that we effectively have one, even if none was ever
  registered) may be used, as this is one of the few solid offers for that
  we ever had.
 
  Some of the main GIMP contributors are currently gathered at Libre
  Graphics Meeting 2015 in Troronto, Canada
  (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2015/ please drop by f you are in the
  area) and we are going to discuss this here.
 
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-30 Thread C R
I will definitely be there! It will be awesome to meet anyone who can come.
I'm the organiser for the London Linux Meetup here, so if anyone wants to
come out for drinks or something after the conference, I can help with that
as well. :)


On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's your lucky day: next LGM is in London.

 Alex
  30 апр. 2015 г. 16:07 пользователь C R caj...@gmail.com написал:

 I'd give just about anything to be able to afford the trip to Toronto at
 the moment. I may be able to do so next year. It's a long way for me,
 since
 I'm London-based. I'd be happy to help with GIMP brand identity if that is
 helpful. I do it all the time for work.

 Best,
 -C

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de
 wrote:

 
 
  On 04/30/2015 12:07 AM, C R wrote:
 
   Come to think of it, I'd like to see more GIMP teeshirts. Is there
   somewhere where we can submit designs for them, where profits go to
 the
   project?
 
  We have a proposal from someone who wants to create shirts - and other
  stuff.
 
  What we've been slow about is determining how the GIMP mark (it has been
  pointed out to us that we effectively have one, even if none was ever
  registered) may be used, as this is one of the few solid offers for that
  we ever had.
 
  Some of the main GIMP contributors are currently gathered at Libre
  Graphics Meeting 2015 in Troronto, Canada
  (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2015/ please drop by f you are in the
  area) and we are going to discuss this here.
 
  --
  Regards,
  Michael
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-30 Thread C R
Yes, I've heard that as well. I can see your point about wearing a GIMP
shirt in that environment, but to date, I've never heard of any disabled
people taking offence to the acronym GIMP. Also, merely appending 2.8 and
showing the Wilbur logo on the shirt would probably be enough to
disambiguate.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Liam R. E. Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:

 On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 23:13 +0100, C R wrote:

  To put it into perspective, do a Google Image search for gimp, and
 see the ratio of GIMP project images to fetishy Pulp Fiction swag.


 The more common meaning of the word in English-speaking countries is a
 derogatory term for someone injured or disabled; for example,
 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gimp

 It is not specific to the USA (I'm not from the USA and do not live
 there).

 I write this sitting at a conference wearing a GIMP tee-shirt. But I
 don't wear that shirt at work. Part of my job involves accessibility.

 Best,

 Liam







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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-04-30 Thread Gez
El jue, 30-04-2015 a las 17:40 -0400, Elle Stone escribió:
 On 04/29/2015 03:57 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
 
  Now help us think on the next steps. For example get that e-mail
  worked into a feasible specification: If you can, refine it, then
  maybe try to get someone with UI expertise that could fine tune that
  your suggestions into specifications that could be really great -  now
  we don't have Peter helping the project anymore.
  (could be someone from your area, to whom you could get face to face
  meetings)
 
 - (I'd rather have another switch along the layer modes than
  to duplicate all layer modes in the UI, for example) -
 
 This link has three screenshots illustrating a proposed UI for allowing 
 the user to easily choose between linear and perceptually uniform RGB 
 and to know at a glance whether s/he's using the default set by the 
 developers:
 
 http://ninedegreesbelow.com/bug-reports/gimp-linear-perceptual-rgb.html
 
 Is what's shown in the screenshots feasible in terms of linking the 
 operations to the proposed UI?

Hi Elle,
You know I'm with you regarding giving users more control over how
operations are performed, but tossing buttons for toggling between
linear and perceptual everywhere in the UI is not a proper solution.
It would be extremely confusing, and people would start toggling them
randomly without knowing what exactly they are for, and only a few
people would benefit from it.
I think that allowing that would complicate the UI and the the tools
themselves, as all of them should have both paths available.
A better solution would probably have to wait until proper
no-destructive editing is finally implemented, and operations are
visualized as a stack/chain/whatever.
I mean, instead of putting toggles on EVERYTHING, why not adding a tool
that says from this point, the following operation/s will be performed
in linear/perceptual gamma?
People used to node-based UIs will understand exactly what I mean.
The difference would be that only users who need the toggle will add an
operation that makes the switch when it's required. The UI will remain
lean, without extra options that could potentially confuse less advanced
users.

Gez.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-04-30 Thread Elle Stone

On 04/29/2015 03:57 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:


Now help us think on the next steps. For example get that e-mail
worked into a feasible specification: If you can, refine it, then
maybe try to get someone with UI expertise that could fine tune that
your suggestions into specifications that could be really great -  now
we don't have Peter helping the project anymore.
(could be someone from your area, to whom you could get face to face
meetings)


- (I'd rather have another switch along the layer modes than

to duplicate all layer modes in the UI, for example) -


This link has three screenshots illustrating a proposed UI for allowing 
the user to easily choose between linear and perceptually uniform RGB 
and to know at a glance whether s/he's using the default set by the 
developers:


http://ninedegreesbelow.com/bug-reports/gimp-linear-perceptual-rgb.html

Is what's shown in the screenshots feasible in terms of linking the 
operations to the proposed UI?


What are specifications?

Best,
Elle
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-04-30 Thread Michael Schumacher


On 04/30/2015 11:40 PM, Elle Stone wrote:

 What are specifications?

Something that describes how features are supposed to work when they are
implemented.

For examples have a look at the Save  Export and Single Window Mode
specifications:

* http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Save_%2B_export_specification

* http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Single-window_mode_specification


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