Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-27 Thread Sam Bagot
 hard mission to alter the
worlds etymology of perverted words by making a imaging software.  Not the
best business plan.  I seriously would have never expected to hear
something so random, strange, or misguided from a group of obviously
intelligent people.

I know gimp is an amazing product or I wouldn't care so much.  But please
understand that you can't fight your target market or ask them to change.
It's not realistic.  Gimp is a dead project without a name change as it
literally can never be taken seriously.  And because every developer knows
that it can't be taken seriously, no sane industrial developer will
contribute time to it as it's a wasted life’s work.  That's why it makes
progress so slowly and falls further and further behind respectable image
software products like Photoshop.  A change of names will allow it to be
used in public school and colleges and be taught to per-professionals and
attract many new project contributes to the code.  Developers seek to
contribute code and be a part of projects that are blowing up with
success.

I could certainly find people in the professional world to talk about it if
a name change was in consideration.  What about GIM and pronounce it as
gem?  Why not just drop the P and it would be fine.  It would be explosive
and people could use it.  It would start to have young adopters and brand
loyalty.  Don't you want to have all your hard work go into a successful
product?


Best,
Sam

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com
 wrote:

 On 04/18/2015 11:55 PM, Liam R. E. Quin wrote:

 On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 12:58 -0500, Sam Bagot wrote:

   A product called Gimp can't be used [in schools]



 Although GIMP can be used in at least some schools, I agree with your
 premise.

 These conversations always seem to run the same course:

 A: the name GIMP is offensive to me, or to people with whom I work. B:
 No. The name GIMP isL not offensive.
 A: yes it is.
 B: It doesnt offend me, and your opinion doesn't matter to me. A: We
 like the name. Bye.

 For my own part I have some hesitation - for example, I am not about
 to go to a meeting on making the Web accessible to people with special
 needs while wearing a GIMP tee-shirt, and obviously can't promote
 GIMP usage too openly at work.


 You make a good point. I never thought about the tee-shirt angle. Now
 that you mention it, I would happily wear a Krita tee-shirt anywhere it
 might be appropriate to wear a tee-shirt. But I wouldn't wear a GIMP
 tee-shirt anywhere (not even at home - what if the doorbell rang?) because
 the connotations of the word gimp are too offensive to too many people.

  The brand argument doesn't really cut much ice - plenty of other
 Free and proprietary applications have been renamed in the past, and
 the publicity can increase visibility.


 Another excellent point.


 Maybe instead of GIMP 3.0 we could have a Goat Rainbow 1.0 or
 something?

 But then you get into endless discussions about the name.


 How about a small committee to select 3-5 possible names for review? Liam
 Quin could be the Chair and Sam Bagot could represent potential GIMP users
 who are unwilling to deal with the unwanted connotations of the name GIMP.


 In the meantime, for school use, could you refer to the program as the
 GNU Image Manipulation Program, and if people comment on GIMP explain
 it's short for the longer name as that's too long to use everywhere?


 Best,
 Elle



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[Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-11 Thread Sam Bagot
Hi, my name is Sam and I have been involved in several projects ranging
from art classes in public schools to local art communities around Austin.
I am a Linux person and use Gimp for everything.  I keep running across the
same problem though.  The name Gimp is offensive to people and suggests
inferiority to Photoshop.  In my experience, institutions would much rather
pay for a professional product than teach a class to children involving
gimps.  Which is also inappropriately associated with BDSM sex.  Either way
it's looked at.  A product called Gimp can't be used by a public or private
school.

Is there any thought on salvaging the marketing effort and renaming this
product so that it can be taken seriously by people and institutions?
Also, a big barrier to entry adopting Linux for people is a solid graphic
manipulator.  The bad branding is causing many people in my art communities
around Austin to avoid Linux in general.

What are the plans on renaming and success?
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