Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Elle Stone
On 05/01/2015 07:03 PM, Gez wrote: You chose one of the few cases where both linear and perceptually uniform could be valid options and none of them are right or wrong. Of course I'm not against allowing two valid instances of the same thing, like in this case. I've already given other

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Elle Stone
On 04/30/2015 05:43 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: On 04/30/2015 11:40 PM, Elle Stone wrote: What are specifications? Something that describes how features are supposed to work when they are implemented. For examples have a look at the Save Export and Single Window Mode specifications: *

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/02/2015 01:28 PM, Elle Stone wrote: On 04/30/2015 05:43 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: For examples have a look at the Save Export and Single Window Mode specifications: * http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Save_%2B_export_specification *

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Sat, 02 May 2015 11:21:37 -0300, Gez wrote: El sáb, 02-05-2015 a las 06:09 -0400, Elle Stone escribió: I'd like to see this discussion heading towards a real world list of examples of real needs for such options that can't be satisfied with anything else than these toggles. You are

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Gez
El sáb, 02-05-2015 a las 11:18 -0400, Robert Krawitz escribió: On Sat, 02 May 2015 11:21:37 -0300, Gez wrote: El sáb, 02-05-2015 a las 06:09 -0400, Elle Stone escribió: I'd like to see this discussion heading towards a real world list of examples of real needs for such options that can't

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Gez
El sáb, 02-05-2015 a las 06:09 -0400, Elle Stone escribió: But you're not proposing to add a toggle to gradients alone, you're proposing to put them*everywhere*. Yes. And your reason is that users have to decide how operations are performed, no matter the result, no matter if it makes any

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Elle Stone
On 05/02/2015 10:21 AM, Gez wrote: El sáb, 02-05-2015 a las 06:09 -0400, Elle Stone escribió: But you're not proposing to add a toggle to gradients alone, you're proposing to put them*everywhere*. Yes. And your reason is that users have to decide how operations are performed, no matter the

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: To be more blunt, the babl flips are Pippin's brain-child. If Pippin says no user choice, is there any real benefit to anyone if I write up a spec? Wouldn't it just be a waste of everyone's time? I have not stated

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Elle Stone
On 05/02/2015 02:44 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: To be more blunt, the babl flips are Pippin's brain-child. If Pippin says no user choice, is there any real benefit to anyone if I write up a spec? Wouldn't it just be a

[Gimp-developer] I got on this list by accident - which should not be possible but that's another issue. Can you please delete me

2015-05-02 Thread colin billowes
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[Gimp-developer] GIMP needs a new color management person, take 2

2015-05-02 Thread Elle Stone
You all have created an amazing RGB image editor. But proper color management has always taken a back seat. GIMP users have requested better color management and CMYK support for a long time now. You could have taken full working color management code from Cinepaint or Krita years ago, but you

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Gez
El sáb, 02-05-2015 a las 12:40 -0400, Elle Stone escribió: Well, you might be able to answer that question. I'm not qualified. Personally I don't use alpha channels except in the extremely rare instance when I'm exporting a png with a transparent background for use on a website. See, this

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB

2015-05-02 Thread Elle Stone
On 05/02/2015 03:39 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: I'm not entirely sure what you are proposing or how it could be implemented in the UI. Is this what you mean? 1. Make a list of all RGB editing operations that are provided by GIMP. 2. Decide for each operation whether it should be done using linear