Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> 1. I think the pencil tool should be renamed "Pixel Tool" if it's to stay > > in the Tool box. > > Reasons: > > A. Jaggies don't make for realistic simulated pencil marks > > B. There are better pencil-simulation tools in the Brush palate > > I am not sure that renaming a tool that old would

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> > Maybe you should write "I wish that someone else does". > When discussing possibilities, it is less important what I wish. My aim is to provide good useful input, towards a consensus. -C On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: > On Thursday 23 June 2016

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Thursday 23 June 2016 08:43:55 C R wrote: > To recap: > > 1. I think the pencil tool should be renamed "Pixel Tool" if it's to stay > in the Tool box. > Reasons: > A. Jaggies don't make for realistic simulated pencil marks > B. There are better pencil-simulation tools in the Brush palate

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Thursday 23 June 2016 07:06:04 C R wrote: > So when I say "we can do this", I should say "I can do this"? > I do wonder if people actually read what I post. :) Maybe you should write "I wish that someone else does". > -C Tobias [...] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

To recap: 1. I think the pencil tool should be renamed "Pixel Tool" if it's to stay in the Tool box. Reasons: A. Jaggies don't make for realistic simulated pencil marks B. There are better pencil-simulation tools in the Brush palate 2. I think Brush settings should be brush specific instead

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

In the interests of moving on with more important things than the symantics of "we", I can attempt to extract the team aspect from my verbiage. I can say for example: "It can be done this way." or "It might be decided that." It sounds cold, and impersonal to me, but if it allows us to move

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

So when I say "we can do this", I should say "I can do this"? I do wonder if people actually read what I post. :) -C On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:34 AM, JLuc wrote: > As for the "we" > Le 22/06/2016 22:48, C R a écrit : > >> I admit that I don't care at all who "we" includes.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

As for the "we" Le 22/06/2016 22:48, C R a écrit : I admit that I don't care at all who "we" includes. Substitute with "interested parties". I'm well aware that even great ideas might never get priority. There are no promises, no guarantees. Right now "we" includes just who is here. If we are

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

I admit that I don't care at all who "we" includes. Substitute with "interested parties". I'm well aware that even great ideas might never get priority. There are no promises, no guarantees. Right now "we" includes just who is here. If we are not allowed to discuss what we, might do or might want

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Wednesday 22 June 2016 18:28:45 C R wrote: [...] > Already answered this before. "We" is the community. The community is made > of everyone involved in the GIMP project who can act to improve it. So if > we as a community decide it's worth changing, then we can change it. I > mean, that's

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> > > Speaking as a digital painter (samples available upon request), I can > tell > > you the Pencil tool does not replace a pencil brush. In fact, the pencil > > tool acts nothing like a pencil at all. :) Could re-name it the > > "pixel-tool" but it absolutely sucks at being a pencil in just

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On 06/22/2016 12:16 PM, Elle Stone wrote: I rather suspect you might be right, that for many use cases the Brush tool is better for use as a "digital pencil". Athough experimenting, really the Pencil tool sometimes is nicer than the Brush tool for making sketch-type marks. Can you specify

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 5:55 PM, C R wrote: > Speaking as a digital painter (samples available upon request), I can tell > you the Pencil tool does not replace a pencil brush. In fact, the pencil > tool acts nothing like a pencil at all. :) Could re-name it the > "pixel-tool" but it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

Hi Elle. :) Thanks for your input... > I think Americo's suggestion (original topic of thread) was that the > Hardness slider be removed from the list of options for the Pencil, simply > because this slider doesn't seem to affect the actual paint applied using > the Pencil. > Yes. I think we

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On 06/22/2016 09:33 AM, C R wrote: Which I have explained 5 times now that this is only if it includes the (topic of this thread) proposed no anti-aliasing checkbox. On 06/15/2016 10:51 PM, Americo Gobbo wrote: Hi all, The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> > You know, I actually reread, and I find the thread highly confusing. > I'll try to help explain, if it's not going to upset you... > It starts with the hardness-parameter in the pencil tool, then goes on > to how paintbrush is so similiar to the pencil tool, how the pencil tool > can get

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > Yes, it saves time if everyone reads the entire thread before commenting. > I'm guilty of this too sometimes, though, so don't worry about it. :) You know, I actually reread, and I find the thread highly confusing. It starts with the hardness-parameter in the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

I did, I just misunderstood. :) I also replied about it too with a possibly better solution to brush presets problems. -C On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:44 PM, C R wrote: > >> > I still recommend

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:44 PM, C R wrote: >> > I still recommend adding the no anti-aliasing option to the brush though >> >> That would involve somehow making GIMP to switch presets when swapping >> Wacom pens, for starters. As Liam pointed out before. > > > > Why would pen presets be affected?

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

Ah, I think I see. The presets could be stored as they are now, and the tool simply switched with the checkmark. We could also think about storing presets via brush instead of via tool. That would be much more useful, imho. -C On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, C R wrote: > >

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> > > I still recommend adding the no anti-aliasing option to the brush though > > That would involve somehow making GIMP to switch presets when swapping > Wacom pens, for starters. As Liam pointed out before. > Why would pen presets be affected? Also, we could just have the checkbox switch to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On June 22, 2016 1:07:35 PM GMT+02:00, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Ofnuts wrote: >>> >>> the Pencil tool is a classic. >> >> A little-used classic. It has its uses (pixel art), but on the whole >I have >> much more often

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> So if we get brush option to turn anti-aliasing off, we'll have 3 tools to > make pixel art with.. Hahaha! What do you want to bet it probably works /slightly/ different than either results from no anti-aliasing on brush, or the how the Pencil tool works. smh. ;) Obviously we have some things

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> > > Ah, sorry. I missed that we're discussing hypothetical future > characteristics of the tools here. I was just looking at the current > difference between the pencil and the paintbrush tool. > Yes, it saves time if everyone reads the entire thread before commenting. I'm guilty of this too

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

To make things even more complicated, the new MyPaint brushes can have a pixel brush that behaves like pencil. So if we get brush option to turn anti-aliasing off, we'll have 3 tools to make pixel art with.. -Petteri On 22.6.2016 13:40, Simon Budig wrote: C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote:

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Ofnuts wrote: >> >> the Pencil tool is a classic. > > A little-used classic. It has its uses (pixel art), but on the whole I have > much more often redirected pencil users to the brush that the reverse. ...so that they would not be able to draw pixel-perfect

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Have you actually tried to do what I outlined above? > > > > > Have you? lol > No - I haven't. It's not currently possible to turn off anti-aliasing on > the brush tool, so it's not possible to "test" it. Ah, sorry. I missed that we're discussing hypothetical

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> Have you actually tried to do what I outlined above? > > Have you? lol No - I haven't. It's not currently possible to turn off anti-aliasing on the brush tool, so it's not possible to "test" it. However, knowing how anti-aliasing works, your statement is incorrect... The paintbrush tool

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > > C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > A pixel brush seems like an adequate replacement for that functionality. > > > > Again, no. > > > > Try working with a pixel brush in a bigger magnification and check how > > the pixel-grid-snapping of the pencil tool makes a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > > A pixel brush seems like an adequate replacement for that functionality. > > Again, no. > > Try working with a pixel brush in a bigger magnification and check how > the pixel-grid-snapping of the pencil tool makes a huge difference to > the paintbrush. If

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

A pixel brush seems like an adequate replacement for that functionality. -C On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Ofnuts wrote: > On 21/06/16 17:00, Americo Gobbo wrote: > >> >> the Pencil tool is a classic. >> > > A little-used classic. It has its uses (pixel art), but on the whole

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Tue, 2016-06-21 at 08:57 +0100, C R wrote: > That's fine, except then you lose a dedicated tool to switch back and > forth from. In particular, if you use a tablet you can have a "pencil" stylus and a "paintbrush" stylus. -- Liam R. E. Quin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

Thanks, I don't have understood reading the documentation... is possible to note that the tool pencil does more that hard-edge or not anti-aliasing. On 21-06-2016 12:18, Simon Budig wrote: The Tool Options of the Pencil and Paintbrush are identical... the unique >difference is that Pencil

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

Hi all, The Tool Options of the Pencil and Paintbrush are identical... the unique difference is that Pencil don't have antialiasing... so, hard edges. This is the concept of Pencil tool... to have, a Paintbrush with a hard-edge option is an option... but, if you can a tool with hard-edge...

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

> > While tossing around wild ideas, what about allowing people to add tool > presets to their toolbox? That way you could have your pencil back by > adding > such a preset. > For the two tools in question, this feature already exists. It's called the "Brushes" palate. ;) -C > > Tobias >

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 13:17:59 Pat David wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:50 AM Ofnuts wrote: > > Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a > > no-anti-aliasing option to the brush? > > This sounds like a great option. As CR says, if the only difference is >

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:50 AM Ofnuts wrote: > Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a > no-anti-aliasing option to the brush? > This sounds like a great option. As CR says, if the only difference is that one parameter, then it makes sense. +1 -- Pat David

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

That's fine, except then you lose a dedicated tool to switch back and forth from. That said, I never ever have any use for the pencil tool. It would not make me sad to see it go in favour of reducing number of tools. It hardly seems worth having two tools that do the same thing apart from one

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a no-anti-aliasing option to the brush? On 20/06/16 20:51, C R wrote: Yep, may as well. lol -C On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Andrew Pullins wrote: Sounds like a good idea On Jun 15, 2016 10:51 PM, "Americo

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

Yep, may as well. lol -C On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Andrew Pullins wrote: > Sounds like a good idea > On Jun 15, 2016 10:51 PM, "Americo Gobbo" wrote: > > > Hi all, > > The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

Sounds like a good idea On Jun 15, 2016 10:51 PM, "Americo Gobbo" wrote: > Hi all, > The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in > its Tool Options. Reading the documentation: “The Pencil tool is used to > draw free hand lines with a hard edge.

[Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

Hi all, The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in its Tool Options. Reading the documentation: “The Pencil tool is used to draw free hand lines with a hard edge. The pencil and paintbrush are similar tools. The main difference between the two tools is that