Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-30 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
It's your lucky day: next LGM is in London. Alex 30 апр. 2015 г. 16:07 пользователь C R caj...@gmail.com написал: I'd give just about anything to be able to afford the trip to Toronto at the moment. I may be able to do so next year. It's a long way for me, since I'm London-based. I'd be

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-30 Thread C R
I will definitely be there! It will be awesome to meet anyone who can come. I'm the organiser for the London Linux Meetup here, so if anyone wants to come out for drinks or something after the conference, I can help with that as well. :) On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-30 Thread C R
Yes, I've heard that as well. I can see your point about wearing a GIMP shirt in that environment, but to date, I've never heard of any disabled people taking offence to the acronym GIMP. Also, merely appending 2.8 and showing the Wilbur logo on the shirt would probably be enough to disambiguate.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread Elle Stone
On 04/29/2015 02:47 PM, Nathan Summers wrote: We do not make GIMP to compete against Photoshop. GIMP_is_ used at schools. Also, USA is not the only country in the world. Not even the largest one out there. So our target audience is non-English speaking photographic professionals that don't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread Jon Senior
Apologies for the top post. My phone won't permit anything else. With regard to the Firefox comparison, if the name was the only difference you'd have a valid argument. But unless you can line up the potential contributors who were put off by the name you're going to have to take into account

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread Nathan Summers
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Alan Pater alan.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Nathan Summers rockwal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't have wanted my name associated with something called GIMP if I had known what the word meant when I started contributing to it. gimp

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread Alan Pater
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Nathan Summers rockwal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't have wanted my name associated with something called GIMP if I had known what the word meant when I started contributing to it. gimp noun 1. twisted silk, worsted, or cotton with cord or wire running through

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread Gez
El mié, 29-04-2015 a las 14:47 -0400, Nathan Summers escribió: On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, I suggest you exercise nastyness elsewhere. This is a mailing list for discussing development of GIMP. There's nothing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread C R
Come to think of it, I'd like to see more GIMP teeshirts. Is there somewhere where we can submit designs for them, where profits go to the project? On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:03 PM, C R caj...@gmail.com wrote: I'm an American (US citizen even), and the name GIMP is just fine. For the record, I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 04/30/2015 12:07 AM, C R wrote: Come to think of it, I'd like to see more GIMP teeshirts. Is there somewhere where we can submit designs for them, where profits go to the project? We have a proposal from someone who wants to create shirts - and other stuff. What we've been slow about is

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread C R
I'm an American (US citizen even), and the name GIMP is just fine. For the record, I have no issues wearing a GIMP teeshirt. Be thankful that the name was changed in 1995 from The GIMP to just GIMP, following the realisation that the movie Pulp Fiction would forever taint the name in the minds of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread C R
To put it into perspective, do a Google Image search for gimp, and see the ratio of GIMP project images to fetishy Pulp Fiction swag. The internet has voted on this one already, and it's an overwhelming majority in favour of GIMP being a FOSS image manipulation program. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-29 Thread Liam R. E. Quin
On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 23:13 +0100, C R wrote: To put it into perspective, do a Google Image search for gimp, and see the ratio of GIMP project images to fetishy Pulp Fiction swag. The more common meaning of the word in English-speaking countries is a derogatory term for someone injured or

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-28 Thread C R
We should call it GNUIMP (pronounced New-Imp). GIMP is just crushing recursive acronyms together ;) Seriously though, the fact that it's not commercial software is likely to be more of an issue than the name. Google is about the worst name I can think of for anything adults would use, yet it's

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
28 апр. 2015 г. 8:22 пользователь Sam Bagot написал: Renames have worked in the past as I see it and for the most part, as I'm sure you've heard people consider before, a product named gimp can't succeed against a product named professionally like PhotoShop. We do not make GIMP to compete

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-28 Thread Ofnuts
The name is a blocker in some US schools with teachers or student parents that over-sensitive (and somewhat dirty-minded, since gimp has other meanings in English). By the way, one of the most popular Web server software is called Apache. In French, it is also slang for a street robber and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-27 Thread Sam Bagot
Renames have worked in the past as I see it and for the most part, as I'm sure you've heard people consider before, a product named gimp can't succeed against a product named professionally like PhotoShop. So you would only be loosing bad publicity anyway as the product is muted and can't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-26 Thread Elle Stone
On 04/18/2015 11:55 PM, Liam R. E. Quin wrote: On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 12:58 -0500, Sam Bagot wrote: A product called Gimp can't be used [in schools] Although GIMP can be used in at least some schools, I agree with your premise. These conversations always seem to run the same course: A:

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-26 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 04/26/2015 05:06 PM, Elle Stone wrote: On 04/18/2015 11:55 PM, Liam R. E. Quin wrote: But then you get into endless discussions about the name. How about a small committee to select 3-5 possible names for review? Liam Quin could be the Chair and Sam Bagot could represent potential

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-19 Thread Alan Pater
How do we know that the word Gnu is not offensive in some schools in some culture in some language? Also, the word manipulation has negative connotations for some people in some cultures .. On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Liam R. E. Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 12:58

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-19 Thread Liam R. E. Quin
On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 12:58 -0500, Sam Bagot wrote: A product called Gimp can't be used [in schools] Although GIMP can be used in at least some schools, I agree with your premise. These conversations always seem to run the same course: A: the name GIMP is offensive to me, or to people with

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-15 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
On 15 April 2015 at 05:40, Simon Budig si...@budig.de wrote: Gez (lis...@ohweb.com.ar) wrote: [...] optional patch that provides and easy way to remove the name GIMP from the UI, replacing it for a different one? Now, seriously. What do devs think about this idea? If somebody provided a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-15 Thread Elle Stone
On 04/15/2015 08:19 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: On 15 April 2015 at 05:40, Simon Budig si...@budig.de wrote: No. It would only play into the hands we already have with fake packagers who sell Gimp without mentioning the Gimp brand name and without mentioning that Gimp is available for free as

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-15 Thread Nathan Summers
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015, 4:41 AM Simon Budig si...@budig.de wrote: Gez (lis...@ohweb.com.ar) wrote: If somebody provided a good patch for building GIMP easily with a different name as an option, would you accept that patch? No. It would only play into the hands we already have with

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-15 Thread Gez
El mié, 15-04-2015 a las 10:43 -0400, Elle Stone escribió: On 04/15/2015 08:19 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: On 15 April 2015 at 05:40, Simon Budig si...@budig.de wrote: No. It would only play into the hands we already have with fake packagers who sell Gimp without mentioning the Gimp brand

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-15 Thread Simon Budig
Gez (lis...@ohweb.com.ar) wrote: [...] optional patch that provides and easy way to remove the name GIMP from the UI, replacing it for a different one? Now, seriously. What do devs think about this idea? If somebody provided a good patch for building GIMP easily with a different name as an

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-14 Thread Gez
El mié, 08-04-2015 a las 12:58 -0500, Sam Bagot escribió: Hi, my name is Sam and I have been involved in several projects ranging from art classes in public schools to local art communities around Austin. I am a Linux person and use Gimp for everything. I keep running across the same problem

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-11 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Sam Bagot wrote: The name Gimp [...] suggests inferiority to Photoshop. Yes, some people tend to overthink :) In my experience, institutions would much rather pay for a professional product than teach a class to children involving gimps. In my experience,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-11 Thread Elle Stone
On 04/11/2015 06:54 AM, Simon Budig wrote: Hi Sam. Sam Bagot (dsm...@gmail.com) wrote: Is there any thought on salvaging the marketing effort and renaming this product so that it can be taken seriously by people and institutions? Also, a big barrier to entry adopting Linux for people is a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions

2015-04-11 Thread Simon Budig
Hi Sam. Sam Bagot (dsm...@gmail.com) wrote: Is there any thought on salvaging the marketing effort and renaming this product so that it can be taken seriously by people and institutions? Also, a big barrier to entry adopting Linux for people is a solid graphic manipulator. The bad branding