Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-12 Thread miriam clinton (iriXx)
Jakub Friedl (lists) wrote: please use Win 98 or XP if you have to use Windows, but not ME. It is the worst system from Microsoft available. I'm testing on both Win ME (forced to by a proprietary laptop) and XP. XP has a nice widget set. But a designer - a vanilla designer, not a

[Gimp-developer] memory usage [was: comparing gimp speed]

2004-11-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, there are probably a few things we could try to do to reduce memory usage when working with large images. The main problem here is that if you open an RGB image (no alpha channel) with say 1000 x 1000 pixels, you would expect GIMP to use 1000 * 1000 * 3 bytes to store the image data. You will

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Laxminarayan Kamath
What about making gimp do a benchmaking on the machine and then let it automatically decide what method 2 use for that swapping/ tiling stuff.. Hey, now dont beat me. I confess i actually know none of the stuff -- Laxminarayan Kamath Ammembal MithraKoota, Bhoja Rao Lane, Mangalore 575003 (+91)

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:49:03PM +0530, Laxminarayan Kamath wrote: What about making gimp do a benchmaking on the machine and then let it automatically decide what method 2 use for that swapping/ tiling stuff.. Hey, now dont beat me. I confess i actually know none of the stuff

Re: [Gimp-developer] memory usage [was: comparing gimp speed]

2004-11-12 Thread Adam D. Moss
Sven Neumann wrote: You will however notice that GIMP instead needs 8 bytes per pixel. In addition to the 3 bpp for the RGB layer it allocates a projection the size of the image. This projection holds the result of compositing the layer stack. It is always allocated 4 bpp. Additionally a

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread David Neary
Hi, Daniel Egger wrote: It would be really cool if the pixel data addressing was pluggable so one could easily write a different storage backend. On top of my head there would be several schemes I'd like to try: - A simple linear memory segment with COW for new layers - dito but with RLE

[Gimp-developer] Re: High-performance gimping

2004-11-12 Thread Dov Kruger
Thanks to all who responded with useful comments. It isn't entirely clear from the comments when gimp starts up, but the tiling cache should indeed be almost as large as physical memory, allowing some for other uses (such as the OS). Increasing to 1500Mb on a 2G system was a huge improvement. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] memory usage

2004-11-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it still seems like the elegant way to do this (erk, but it probably did rely on the projection being able to assume the same depth as the image). At the moment the projection is always RGBA but the code to do grayscale and indexed projections

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: High-performance gimping

2004-11-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dov Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suggest modifying the documentation to read something like: Increasing tile memory cache will continue to yield benefits until you totally saturate physical memory. If you can afford to give nearly all your physical memory to gimp while you are

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course there's also a physical limit and you would need a 64bit CPU in order to use more than 4GB. Not necessarily, there some CPU extensions for x86 CPUs which allow larger memory sizes by using extra large pages (more overhead) or providing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-12 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: Carol Spears wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a professional graphic designer, considering the

Re: [Gimp-developer] canvas background options

2004-11-12 Thread Alan Horkan
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:39:58 +0100 From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] canvas background options Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can

Re: [Gimp-developer] canvas background options

2004-11-12 Thread Jakub Friedl (lists)
I'm surprised that enough users would be changing the setting often enough to want to be able to set it on a once off per window basis, I would have though that a single global preference would to override the toolkit default would have been enough oh please no. or is the gimp supposed to be

Re: [Gimp-developer] canvas background options

2004-11-12 Thread Alan Horkan
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Jakub Friedl (lists) wrote: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:57:51 +0100 From: Jakub Friedl (lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED], GDev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] canvas background options I'm surprised that enough users would

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Daniel Egger
On 12.11.2004, at 15:51, Sven Neumann wrote: That allows you to stuff more RAM into your box but you can still only give up to 4GB to a single process simply because you cannot handle more than 4GB in a 32bit address space. You can, but not using the typical APIs. This is pretty important for

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:34:35 +0100, Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be really cool if the pixel data addressing was pluggable so one could easily write a different storage backend. On top of my head there would be several schemes I'd like to try: - A simple linear memory

Re: [Gimp-developer] canvas background options

2004-11-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given my previous comments that is understandable and I think discoverability is important but it doesn't make sense to have a seperate menu item for every obscure feature and to me this is most definately an obscure feature. It has been requested

Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-12 Thread miriam clinton (iriXx)
Carol Spears wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: I'm freelance, have worked for a variety of companies in temporary contracts or purely freelance (I value my independence, and owning my own company). I would say it would take me at least

Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-12 Thread miriam clinton (iriXx)
Carol Spears wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: Carol Spears wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a professional graphic designer,

[Gimp-developer] Regarding my testing on XP and ME

2004-11-12 Thread miriam clinton (iriXx)
I've been testing on these platforms, but will be able to convert my laptop over to GNU/Linux once I can get a proper set of Mandrake discs next week - the download edition has a corrupted 2nd CD. In the meantime, I think it will be useful as more and more animators and designers are moving to

Re: [Gimp-developer] canvas background options

2004-11-12 Thread Simon Budig
Hi all. Alan Horkan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given my previous comments that is understandable and I think discoverability is important but it doesn't make sense to have a seperate menu item for every

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Laxminarayan Kamath
Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] to Daniel, Sven, gimp-developer On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 06:08:17PM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote: ... t's a whole bunch of contortions, and all pointless since amd64 hardware is competitively priced these days. please dont concentrate only on those who

[Gimp-developer] canvas background options

2004-11-12 Thread Laxminarayan Kamath
-- Forwarded message -- From: Laxminarayan Kamath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:34:51 +0530 Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] canvas background options To: David Odin [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:02:31 +0100, David Odin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Manish Singh
On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 12:15:22PM +0530, Laxminarayan Kamath wrote: Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] to Daniel, Sven, gimp-developer On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 06:08:17PM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote: ... t's a whole bunch of contortions, and all pointless since amd64 hardware is

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Manish Singh
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 08:11:54PM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote: On 12.11.2004, at 18:51, Manish Singh wrote: You can, but not using the typical APIs. This is pretty important for database stuff Whose use case is very different than GIMP's. And you do use the typical APIs, but the user