Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:30:18 -0800, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 08:21:34PM -0800, Carol Spears wrote: does it make sense that i need jade to work on images with a piece of free software that is not as free as jade or open jade? this was a mistyped

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Raphal Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that it would be better to have an option in autogen.sh and configure.in that allows the CVS users to skip the API doc generation. This would make it easier to test the latest version on multiple platforms without having to wait for a GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does it make sense that gimp, which is free and open depend on a rather large piece of software that is only open and not free? The real point here is that, afaik, gtkdoc doesn't actually depend on Jade any longer. For quite a while the docs are

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i would like to build gimp without this additional (and un-needed by me) software. Use a tarball then. If you are building GIMP from CVS you are a hacker and you need the tools that are required to build GIMP including the developer documentation.

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does it make sense that gimp, which is free and open depend on a rather large piece of software that is only open and not free? The real point here is that, afaik, gtkdoc doesn't actually depend on Jade any longer. For quite a while the docs

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Michael Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is possible - I built gtkdoc on Win32 without having Jade installed. How did you trick the configure script into believing that jade was available? I had a quick look and it seems to check for openjade or jade and bails out if it can't find

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:07:55 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that it would be better to have an option in autogen.sh and configure.in that allows the CVS users to skip the API doc generation. This would make it easier to test

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 12:09:29PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i would like to build gimp without this additional (and un-needed by me) software. Use a tarball then. If you are building GIMP from CVS you are a hacker and you need the tools

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Raphal Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you accept a patch that could make it optional? Well, if it really bothers you. But you need gtkdoc anyway if you want to build any other library using it and there are lots of them (including glib and gtk+). I haven't tried this yet, but it

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Michael Schumacher
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Michael Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is possible - I built gtkdoc on Win32 without having Jade installed. How did you trick the configure script into believing that jade was available? I had a quick look and it seems to check for openjade or jade and bails out

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 07:34:49PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how did all the hackers work on gimp last week without jade then? Things change and the switch to gtkdocize was long overdue. I don't see why we should not benefit from the work of

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 07:34:49PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how did all the hackers work on gimp last week without jade then? Things change and the switch to gtkdocize was long overdue. I don't see why we should not benefit from the work of

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you need jade to hack properly on gimp? sgml. you need sgml to hack on gimp. i am sorry. i dont get it. perhaps if you explain the need for sgml to build cvs gimp. See, I already explained that SGML is not needed, nor is Jade. Sven

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 08:58:22PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you need jade to hack properly on gimp? sgml. you need sgml to hack on gimp. i am sorry. i dont get it. perhaps if you explain the need for sgml to build cvs gimp. See, I

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, one last try to explain it to you. GIMP doesn't need Jade. It needs gtkdoc to build the developer documentation. gtkdoc can work in two modes, the old-fashioned way of using it involves processing SGML and thus needs jade or, preferably, openjade. The newer way of building these docs uses

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 09:31:06PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: one last try to explain it to you. GIMP doesn't need Jade. It needs gtkdoc to build the developer documentation. gtkdoc can work in two modes, the old-fashioned way of using it involves processing SGML and thus needs jade or,

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i think that the mail list is not as fast as the exchange it is managing here. I think you are reading the mails faster than you are able to understand them. Perhaps you should reread my mails since I am not going to explain this again. Sven

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 12:02:41AM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i think that the mail list is not as fast as the exchange it is managing here. I think you are reading the mails faster than you are able to understand them. Perhaps you should

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i can read that you contradict what you yourself wrote and the software in questions' README. No, it doesn't. I said that gtkdoc depends on Jade but only for some mode of operation that we don't use and need. I also suggested that you politely ask

Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs gimp depends on jade?

2004-12-21 Thread David Neary
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: It would probably be a good idea to make jade optional for the build of gtkdoc so that people like you, who are for whatever reason not able to get it installed, can still build and install a version of gtkdoc that would work with GIMP. One small addition... since