Re: [Gimp-developer] task list

2008-01-25 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 18:06 +, William Skaggs wrote: * Construct an optional MDI version of the gui. That is definitely not a goal. We are not willing nor able to maintain optional user interfaces. The UI has to evolve and it will be highly customizable, but we are not going to offer

Re: [Gimp-developer] input from the UI team needed

2008-01-25 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 04:38 +, William Skaggs wrote: 8. improve the text tool Evaluation: Most of the points mentioned here would be relatively simple to implement. One of them -- the ability to have multiple text items within a single layer -- might not be simple, and it should

Re: [Gimp-developer] input from the UI team needed

2008-01-25 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 20:20 +0100, peter sikking wrote: Even before 2.4 came out, I was warned that not to much UI work could be done for 2.6. GEGL first. OK. suits me, that leaves a period where the UI analysis can get (finally!) done and a transition can be made towards tackling the

Re: [Gimp-developer] tasks list

2008-01-25 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 11:48 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Well, there _had been_ a beta version of the list (to which several people including myself contributed) and since then nothing has happened, so I was wondering if you still liked that idea ;-) I did not like any of the beta

Re: [Gimp-developer] task list

2008-01-25 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Jan 25, 2008 11:01 AM, Sven Neumann wrote: Actually, I don't think that we need to put action recording on our list as that will become obsolete with non-destructive editing. This is apples and oranges, Sven :-) Non-destructive editing boosts productivity as well, but has nothing (or very

Re: [Gimp-developer] tasks list

2008-01-25 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Jan 25, 2008 10:06 PM, Sven Neumann wrote: I think it would be a lot more useful if we would just collect a list of tasks that we consider important, without sticking them into a particular release time-frame. This is what Inkscape guys do. They have a roadmap based on a rough estimation,

Re: [Gimp-developer] tasks list

2008-01-25 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 20:03 +, William Skaggs wrote: I think it would be a lot more useful if we would just collect a list of tasks that we consider important, without sticking them into a particular release time-frame. That will make it easier for new developers to participate.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Adding SpaceNavigator support

2008-01-25 Thread Simon Budig
Hi Ettore. Ettore Pasquini ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I work for 3Dconnexion (a Logitech company) and we make 3D input devices. We also care about popular 2D apps that could use the high sensitivity of our SpaceNavigator for panning and zooming. GIMP was under our radar and now we are

[Gimp-developer] Adding SpaceNavigator support

2008-01-25 Thread Ettore Pasquini
Hello everyone, I work for 3Dconnexion (a Logitech company) and we make 3D input devices. We also care about popular 2D apps that could use the high sensitivity of our SpaceNavigator for panning and zooming. GIMP was under our radar and now we are considering to add support for our devices. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] tasks list

2008-01-25 Thread William Skaggs
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, we have that for 2.6. We didn't put publish it. But we discussed these points and agreed on a roadmap for 2.6. The question is, do we gain anything if we published such a roadmap officially? I am afraid that the only result would be that people will

Re: [Gimp-developer] task list

2008-01-25 Thread Robert Krawitz
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:50:56 +1030 From: David Gowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 25, 2008 9:52 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine All the users who ever bugged you asking for macros recording did it because they don't feel like programmers to learn Script/Python/Perl-Fu. With

Re: [Gimp-developer] input from the UI team needed

2008-01-25 Thread Martin Nordholts
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 06:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: It would also be nice to get the Polygonal Select Tool details sorted out for 2.6. There is code for such a tool in bug #119646 [1], the question is just to what extent it should be merged/integrated with

Re: [Gimp-developer] task list

2008-01-25 Thread David Gowers
Hi Alexandre, On Jan 25, 2008 9:52 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 25, 2008 11:01 AM, Sven Neumann wrote: Actually, I don't think that we need to put action recording on our list as that will become obsolete with non-destructive editing. This is apples and

Re: [Gimp-developer] task list

2008-01-25 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Jan 25, 2008 4:20 PM, David Gowers wrote: What significant sequence of actions that you can take is there, that cannot be done by simple graph editing? Users do not think in terms of graphs, they think in terms of actions and sequences of actions. They want to click Record, mess around with

Re: [Gimp-developer] input from the UI team needed

2008-01-25 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 17:21 +, William Skaggs wrote: The idea I was responding to was, as I understood it, basically to have multiple PangoLayouts within the same layer. Even that would probably not be so difficult to implement, but I think it would probably cause more harm than

Re: [Gimp-developer] task list

2008-01-25 Thread David Gowers
On Jan 26, 2008 12:09 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 25, 2008 4:20 PM, David Gowers wrote: What significant sequence of actions that you can take is there, that cannot be done by simple graph editing? Users do not think in terms of graphs, they think in terms of

Re: [Gimp-developer] task list

2008-01-25 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Jan 25, 2008 4:54 PM, David Gowers wrote: In short -- what you call 'action recording', I call 'packaging up a chunk of the undo stack'. Really, your 'start' and 'stop' actions would be trivial to implement: mark the start location in undo stack; mark the end; and prompt the user for a

Re: [Gimp-developer] tasks list

2008-01-25 Thread William Skaggs
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps if we could first decide what the purpose of the roadmap/task list should be. I tried to raise that question when we started with this topic. But no one ever attempted to answer it. So before we start this again, can we have this discussion,

Re: [Gimp-developer] input from the UI team needed

2008-01-25 Thread William Skaggs
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8. improve the text tool Evaluation: Most of the points mentioned here would be relatively simple to implement. One of them -- the ability to have multiple text items within a single layer -- might not be simple, and it should be considered