Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-26 Thread Martin Nordholts
drizzt wrote: Hi all ! This is a long post, replying to many previous posts, and adding some parts from IRC chats, and some even from discussions with Gimp developers. Hi, Long it was, for sure. Sorry but if you don't want the GIMP UI to evolve and change, don't upgrade to new versions.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-26 Thread Graeme Gill
Martin Nordholts wrote: world of interaction design will give you valuable insights. I recommend you to read the book The Inmates Are Running the Asylum by Alan Cooper. It is not a handbook on how to design interactive systems, but I wouldn't bother. Whatever insights are contained in this

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Martin Nordholts
Andrew A. Gill wrote: [from here out, `you' refers to core GIMP developers] We want you to succeed, and all you need to do to succeed is to address some of the issues that users need. If you're telling us that GIMP has no intention of ever providing those things, we'll find another

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Martin Nordholts wrote: I must say I find this a bit arrogant. Maybe. Probably. But I think it's time for me a a user to stop telling developers what I need and to start asking what you need to make that happen. I think it's time to stop looking at this from the

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Vincent Lordier wrote: Hello happy CMYK warriors, This is valuable input you're giving actually How about collecting these use cases for prepress in the wiki here http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/ ? Well, I'm a man of my word and so I just contributed my wiki attempt to do my

Re: [Gimp-developer] a good student UI project...

2009-03-26 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:12 AM, yahvuu wrote: levels, curves - could support the user's intention more directly:                   - mark places in the image, which should be brighter/darker,                     or have more/less contrast or modified colors                   - the

Re: [Gimp-developer] a good student UI project...

2009-03-26 Thread David Gowers
gradation map - nearly the same: map image points to positions in the gradient Yahvuu, you probably need to clarify: how is this different from Colors-Map-Gradient Map? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:12

Re: [Gimp-developer] a good student UI project...

2009-03-26 Thread Irena Damsky
Peter Hi, I think you should post this question to the GIMP-USERS list. I find it extremely useful to ask the users themselves what do they want to be a part of a package they are using... Irena On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:38 PM, peter sikking pe...@mmiworks.net wrote: hi all, at the end of

Re: [Gimp-developer] a good student UI project...

2009-03-26 Thread yahvuu
hi, David Gowers schrieb: gradation map - nearly the same: map image points to positions in the gradient Yahvuu, you probably need to clarify: how is this different from Colors-Map-Gradient Map? sorry for the misspelling. Exactly Colors-Map-Gradient Map is what i meant. Here again, a

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK editing (Was: GIMP PDF export plugin)

2009-03-26 Thread Cédric Gémy
And finally, I agree with Sven that I don't know why anyone would want to have multipage PDF output for GIMP. This is very simple : Illustrator CS4 has just implemented a real multipage PDF support. My opinion, if worth, is that gimp don't have to copy adobe software, even if there are many

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK editing (Was: GIMP PDF export plugin)

2009-03-26 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, March 26, 2009, 21:20:53, Cédric Gémy wrote: This is very simple : Illustrator CS4 has just implemented a real multipage PDF support. You mean something that CorelDraw had for years? Then again, both CorelDraw and Illustrator are vector editing programs, and having multiple

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread yahvuu
Hi all, Louis Desjardins schrieb: Guillermo Espertino a écrit : Even though I agree that most of the CMYK cases mentioned use CMYK almost as spot colors, I can think of a very common usage scenario in Graphic Design where you need to be able to edit CMYK directly: Corporate colors. Most

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 78, Issue 50

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 78, Issue 49

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 78, Issue 48

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 78, Issue 54

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 78, Issue 51

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Guillermo Espertino
El jue, 26-03-2009 a las 21:43 +0100, yahvuu escribió: Hi all, just to be shure (i'm probably just paraphrasing Andrew A. Gill's follow-up): I think this task can be done equally well in an RGB space, say sRGB. If Pantone's Bridge has sRGB approximations, it should be trivial. If not, you

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
2009/3/27 Guillermo Espertino wrote: Also, in this discussion it seems that it was never considered that you can be working on images that somebody else sent you and you don't control how they were created. If somebody sent you a separated tiff of a magazine ad and you have to do some

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread yahvuu
Alexandre Prokoudine schrieb: 2009/3/27 Guillermo Espertino wrote: Also, in this discussion it seems that it was never considered that you can be working on images that somebody else sent you and you don't control how they were created. If somebody sent you a separated tiff of a magazine ad

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, yahvuu wrote: just to be shure (i'm probably just paraphrasing Andrew A. Gill's follow-up): No, you're not. That came out a little sharp. Let me try to soften it. You're entitled to your opinion, but I just want to make sure that there's no misunderstanding. I think

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Andrew A. Gill superlu...@frontiernet.net wrote: As little as I trust Pantone to CMYK, I trust Pantone to RGB even less. By this i mean anything which can't be done by processing the plates as separate grayscale channels (see ?yvind Kolas's post). This is

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Robert Krawitz
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:08:37 + From: =?ISO-8859-1?B?2Hl2aW5kIEtvbOVz?= islew...@gmail.com For CMYK the following ops need to be implemented: CMYK-from-RGB - takes a GeglBuffer as input, has options for black subtraction, ICC profile selection, gamut handling and similar,

[Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-26 Thread peter sikking
hey crew, this whole pdf/cmyk discussion has been a nice exercise for me in getting to know the activity as Don Norman calls it. this is what I digest from all that has been said here: rule #1: the topic we are talking all the time about here is not cmyk, tiff or pdf. the topic we are talking

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-26 Thread Robert Krawitz
From: peter sikking pe...@mmiworks.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:20:48 +0100 this whole pdf/cmyk discussion has been a nice exercise for me in getting to know the activity as Don Norman calls it. this is what I digest from all that has been said here: rule #1: the topic we are

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-26 Thread David Marrs
gimp-developer-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu wrote: Hi all ! This is a long post, replying to many previous posts, and adding some parts from IRC chats, and some even from discussions with Gimp developers. ... I have a degree of sympathy with this post although it seems to go to the

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-26 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, ?yvind Kol?s wrote: I was not describing user interface anywhere in my mail, To be honest, I think I missed your message. If I have mischaracterized what you have said (and judging from what you say below, it looks like someone has), I crave pardon. Here's what I was

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-26 Thread Andrew A. Gill
I think I agree with 99% of what you wrote. Clarifications/quibbles: (wait. Nevermind. Probably about 75%) On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, peter sikking wrote: 4) tiff or pdf? it is just a transport method. it is a strategic choice what to do first/better/at all. PDF isn't really appropriate for