Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
Hi, On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:51 -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: I might be wrong, but it appears to me that everything that Apply Image does can be done using layers. It's just another way of using layer modes and it seems quite akward to use an extra dialog for that. Except for one thing: layers don't print out as solid. As far as I can see the result of Apply Image is a layer. I'm not suggesting that this be implemented anytime soon - but it would be nice to have better channel mixing abilities once GIMP is using GEGL for composition... Now we are getting to a point. So your post is not actually about Apply Image, but about missing channel mixing abilities. It would help if you could point out exactly what it is that you can't do in GIMP. Otherwise we will never enhance the channel mixing abilities, using GEGL or not. As far as I can see the point you are trying to make is that GIMP doesn't allow you to use channels for layer blend operations. I've tried to reproduce your example using channels and layers and indeed it appears impossible. I can easily copy a spot channel to a new layer by dragging it from the channels to the layers dialog, but the result will be the grayscale channel. Perhaps it would help if we would change that so it creates an RGBA layer that represents the spot channel. This layer would be filled with the channel spot color and the grayscale mask of the channel would be transferred to the layers' alpha channel. Does that make any sense? Would such a change break other workflows? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
I like this idea. I would use it frequently. In fact, I would suggest calling it Duplicate Visible in the menu, and also adding it to the buttons at the bottom of the layers dialog with a description of Duplicate visible layers as single new layer on mouse-over. As far as real estate on the bottom of the layers dialog goes, I would eliminate the raise/lower layer buttons I don't ever use them since it is easier to drag the layer itself to the new location than to select the layer with one mouse click and then find and click on the raise/lower button. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Script-proposed-for-inclusion-in-gimp-2.6-tp18831803p18856989.html Sent from the Gimp Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
In my opinion, a better solution to the copy visible to new layer functionality would be to add an option to Merge Visible Layers which would retain the original visible layers. This approach would seem more intuitive and would not entail an additional menu command. It would also be more flexible because the newly created layer wouldn't need to be the image size (the user would have available the expansion/clipping options of Merge Visible). The proposed Add Border script doesn't provide the same functionality as the existing one (it doesn't provide the same 3-D effect) and, in my opinion, if considered at all, it should be as an additional script, not a substitute. As a minor nit, if the feathering option is chosen along with increasing the canvas size, the result is a border with semi-transparent regions (which hardly seems of any use whatsoever). Personally, I don't find the proposed script worth adding to the GIMP base. The result it achieves can readily be accomplished with a couple of additional (and intuitive) steps being performed after running the current Add Border script. The gradient options are more flexibly handled manually (doing an alpha to selection or lock alpha on the border layer and blending) and feathering is trivially accomplished with a Gaussian blur. Adding an option to the existing Add Border script which would permit specifying whether it is an inside border or outside seems reasonable and shouldn't affect too many (if any) existing scripts (none of GIMP's scripts seem to rely upon its present behavior). = Quoting Alchemie foto\\grafiche [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i know that many good scripts are not included to preserve the Gimp code essential and easy to maintain..a excellent reason . But in this case the script fill a basic missed feature often required by many users The feature in Photoshop is called apply imagine APPARENTLY in gimp that may be accomplished by 3 steps (copy visible-paste -add a new layer ) APPARENTLY .. because those 3 steps will lead often to unwanted results,and there is not any warning about: if was a selection that will get lost in the process ... then to recover selection would be needed Undo.. that means no too experienced users risk to loop forever without solve Solution would be use 6 steps instead then 3 (save selection to a channel-select all -copy visible-paste-add new layer-reload previous selection from channel) and that is very unfriendly, as is unfriendly force users to deal with floating selection for a such basic and simple task The script solve all this with a single click I'm not the author of the script anyway is released under GPL and i'm sure the author will have not objections to its inclusion and that many users will be happy to have it available out of the box of next gimp 2.6 DOWNLOAD LINK HERE http://www.deviantart.com/download/72552828/Copy_Visible_and_Paste_Script_by_fence_post.scm ### then i will like also propose a replacement for a old script add border that is now in Filter/decor add border script is quite limited while there is another similar but more flexible , offers more useful options but does not look more complex to users (and even avoid some problems that the default script may create) problems are : is easy overlook the fact that the script will increase the imagine size (..i replied to several messages of users surprised that gimp enlarge imagines without asking first time was very hard trace the reason of the problem...was ,as in the other cases ,that overlooked side effect of the script the root of the problem ) in the alternative script i propose that is a option, and when evaluating a option come more natural evaluate its obvious side effects, other simple but useful added options are blur the frame (user may chose blur amount ) use gradient instead then a solid color merge down -don't merge down the frame layer Also for this i'm not the author, but i know he will have no objections DOWNLOAD LINK HERE http://www.deviantart.com/download/71646868/Add_Border_Script_by_Insanity_Prevails.scm ### I suppose 2.6 is in features freeze, but even then i believe add/replace those few lines of code should not be a problem Also because first script will solve the problem of a basic feature missed and increase usability ,the second seems a better replacement for a old and somehow tricky script PhotoComix Posta, news, sport, oroscopo: tutto in una sola pagina. Crea l#39;home page che piace a te! www.yahoo.it/latuapagina ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, a better solution to the copy visible to new layer functionality would be to add an option to Merge Visible Layers which would retain the original visible layers. This approach would seem more intuitive and would not entail an additional menu command. It would also be more flexible because the newly created layer wouldn't need to be the image size (the user would have available the expansion/clipping options of Merge Visible). I do miss 'Apply Image', which allows you to either: 1. Apply any RGB/CMYK/spot channel or all RGB/CMYK channels from one image to another (if they are the same size) using any of the blending modes available (multiply, screen, etc). Selections remain active during the procedure. 2. Apply any channel to any other channel within the image using available blending modes. Selections remain active. It's a nice feature that opens up a lot of possibilities, esp if you are working with spot channels. Chris ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
In my opinion, a better solution to the copy visible to new layer functionality would be to add an option to Merge Visible Layers which would retain the original visible layers. This approach would seem more intuitive and would not entail an additional menu command. It would also be more flexible because the newly created layer wouldn't need to be the image size (the user would have available the expansion/clipping options of Merge Visible). seems a good alternative my main objection on this alternative is that is not ready but a project to be realized in a future and that will require some developer offering his time to realize it,maybe subtracting that time to more relevant task. while the script is ready and was already tested by many This approach would seem more intuitive and would not entail an additional menu command. Not sure if that will be a advantage the addition of new option there may be easy overlooked while a menu command as copy visible and add as new layer is so clear that i believe can't be misunderstood Avoid to overcrowd the menu is good but i see this as a basic feature that many may search ,if so may be better clearly labeled in the place where most likely will be searched as in the Edit menu,after copy and copy the visible ( Nevertheless a extra option for merge layer.should not harm .but again will be a work to be done by someone in a future ,while the script-fu is ready) PS About add border i never noticed a 3d effect or others that are not present also in the alternate version.but i will check better Posta, news, sport, oroscopo: tutto in una sola pagina. Crea l#39;home page che piace a te! www.yahoo.it/latuapagina___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
Hi, On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 11:41 -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: I do miss 'Apply Image', which allows you to either: It would help a lot if you guys would not assume that everyone knows all Photoshop features. If you are missing a particular feature, then please take the time to explain exactly what it does and how this is useful for you. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
Hi, On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 14:10 -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: It would help a lot if you guys would not assume that everyone knows all Photoshop features. If you are missing a particular feature, then please take the time to explain exactly what it does and how this is useful for you. Sorry if my explanation wasn't very clear. Here's an example of in-image use of Apply Image: [...] Thanks. Now I have a nice example of how Apply Image can be used. I still have no clue though what this Apply Image thing is. Is it a tool, a dialog, a plug-in? What exactly does it do? Perhaps you can point us to them online documentation or a tutorial or illustrate this with some screenshots? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 14:10 -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: It would help a lot if you guys would not assume that everyone knows all Photoshop features. If you are missing a particular feature, then please take the time to explain exactly what it does and how this is useful for you. Sorry if my explanation wasn't very clear. Here's an example of in-image use of Apply Image: [...] Thanks. Now I have a nice example of how Apply Image can be used. I still have no clue though what this Apply Image thing is. Is it a tool, a dialog, a plug-in? What exactly does it do? Perhaps you can point us to them online documentation or a tutorial or illustrate this with some screenshots? It's a dialog, that lets you blend channels from one or two images. Here's one tutorial in which two images are blended (at the beginning): http://www.digitalscrapbookplace.com/university/tutorials/ps_beginnercollage2.shtml Here's a general description of the dialog with screenshots: http://www.graphics.com/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewarticleartid=381 Chris ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script proposed for inclusion in gimp 2.6
Hi, On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:10 -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: It's a dialog, that lets you blend channels from one or two images. Here's one tutorial in which two images are blended (at the beginning): http://www.digitalscrapbookplace.com/university/tutorials/ps_beginnercollage2.shtml Here's a general description of the dialog with screenshots: http://www.graphics.com/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewarticleartid=381 Thanks for the pointers. I had a look at this and some other tutorials and to me this looks like going back to GIMP version 0.54 where you had to use a dialog to blend images together simply because GIMP at that point did not yet have layers. I might be wrong, but it appears to me that everything that Apply Image does can be done using layers. It's just another way of using layer modes and it seems quite akward to use an extra dialog for that. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer