Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But compile time has doubled over the past couple of years without a huge change in the size of the source code. It seems to me that the build tools we use have gotten more i/o and more processor intensive. Is it possible we could make improvements

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do automake and libtool have any upcoming improvements that might help with the pre-configure and linking stages that I should know about? Well, what versions are you using at the moment? Sven ___

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Quoting Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do automake and libtool have any upcoming improvements that might help with the pre-configure and linking stages that I should know about? Well, what versions are you using at the moment? 1.7 and 1.5

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
David Neary schrieb: I'm not opposed to having stuff split off, but I am worried about the stuff getting a bit lost. Most gimp 2.0 installs (the vast majority, I would say) don't have GAP or the perl bindings installed. That's not a trend we should be encouraging, IMHO. In fact, I think we need

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off - meta tarball

2004-09-09 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:06:12 +0200, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If everything ended up in one tarball, with a single-step build, that would be grand. But I don't believe that's the intention, given the precedents of GAP

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:51:47 +0200, Michael Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one aspect to splitting things out that hasn't been discussed yet. By splitting e.g. a plug-in out into it's own module and basing it on gimp-plug-in template, it becomes incredibly easy to compile it for

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off - meta tarball

2004-09-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This meta tarball would not be very hard to create or maintain: it's just that the version numbers would have to be increased from time to time, whenever the contents of a new gimp/gimp-gap/gimp-perl/... tarball are extracted and included in the

[Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread William Skaggs
Sven Neumann wrote: I am not going to allow the source tree to be clobbered with more stuff simply because we are too lazy to add some simple notes to our web-site and FTP server. In the long run we will want to split GIMP into even more packages. Dave Neary wrote: On another note, I'm not

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread David Neary
Hi, William Skaggs wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Splitting stuff off feels an awful lot like putting it out to pasture. The goal of just having the core application, with no plug-ins, no image data structures, no scripts, and a minimum number of brushes, patterns and gradients doesn't seem

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that's the case, we're working towards needing a jhbuild or a garnome for the GIMP, which just doesn't seem right - we're a desktop application, not a suite of developer libraries and desktop applications. We have one set of developers, not

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread David Neary
Hi Sven Sven Neumann wrote: I don't see what's wrong with needing a jhbuild type of script to ease compilation (not that I have ever felt the need to use jhbuild). GIMP is not a desktop application. It is (or should become if it isn't yet) an image manipulation suite. We have several sets of

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread Carol Spears
hello, long ago when i had a job and a home and friends who were gimp developers i had an idea of a plug-in building environment. in the time that this environment was designed, i lost all of those things previously listed. the environment i helped to design is now being used successfully at

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread Carol Spears
more, On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 06:02:16PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: my experience with gimp is different than dave neary is talking about. he is saying that if you dont get everything at one time, you will not get it. when i first started to use gimp, it was so much fun to go online and