Tor Lillqvist writes:
There also seems to be some handle leak when GIMP is starting up and
queries all the plug-ins. Also, something needs to be done to #98737
soon. (Perhaps related, I had to start GIMP at least four times before
it got past all the plug-ins and wrote out the pluginrc
At 23:22 27.07.03 +, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
[...]
One irritating thing with GIMP on Windows currently is GTK bug
#112402, I really need to fix that soon. GIMP's toolbox and some other
windows are currently positioned with their title bar exactly off
screen.
This is a regression of previous
Hans Breuer writes:
This is a regression of previous versions. IIRC it was caused
by the usage of gdk_eindow_new() with parameters 'in range' and
additional adjusted by SafeAdjustWindowRect and the code
later calling gdk_window_move with coordinates directly derived
from the current
Alan Horkan writes:
Any chance of binaries [for Win32] for testing?
If you ask nicely, I might be presuaded to zip up what I've
got... (Just built it on Win32 for the first time in a while.)
And what compiler did you use (wondering if I'll be able to get gtk-wimp
to work with the Gimp 1.3
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Michael Schumacher wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:04:12 +0200 (MEST)
From: Michael Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (LONG) Problems with the GIMP (was: Re: [Gimp-developer]
tentative GIMP 2.0 release plans)
Michael Schumacher
Michael Schumacher writes:
According to Tor Lillqvist, there was something missing from Pango
1.2.3 and fixed shortly after the release.
BTW, I now made new pre-built pango-1.2.3 Win32 packages on
www.gimp.org/win32/downloads.html, with the missing exports added, so
building GIMP 1.3.x for
Michael Schumacher writes:
According to Tor Lillqvist, there was something missing from Pango
1.2.3 and fixed shortly after the release.
BTW, I now made new pre-built pango-1.2.3 Win32 packages on
www.gimp.org/win32/downloads.html, with the missing exports added, so
building GIMP 1.3.x
Patrick McFarland wrote:
I am one of these active users that have been lead to believe that gimp 2.0
will use GEGL. So, all the developers out that think 2.0 is yet another small
gimp release, or something else (imho) stupid, can just go away or something.
Im actually kind of sick of listening
Hi,
Kelly Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
PS5 and Gimp 1.0 were pretty competitive in most areas, with a few
well-noted shortcomings. PS7 completely blows away CVS HEAD.
Releasing it as 2.0 will invite comparisons, and you don't want to
do that right now.
I am not afraid of such
Sven Neumann wrote:
The ball is rolling now and any further discussion about it is only
hurting GIMP's reputation.
You're going to do what you're going to do. I'm just offering my
counsel. Claiming that offering my counsel is hurting GIMP's
reputation is a hamfisted way of telling me to shut
Kelly Martin wrote:
Sven Neumann wrote:
The ball is rolling now and any further discussion about it is only
hurting GIMP's reputation.
You're going to do what you're going to do. I'm just offering my
counsel. Claiming that offering my counsel is hurting GIMP's
reputation is a hamfisted way
Carol Spears wrote:
Kelly Martin wrote:
Claiming that offering my counsel is hurting GIMP's
reputation is a hamfisted way of telling me to shut up because you
don't like my opinion. Releasing 1.4 as 2.0 will do more to hurt
GIMP's reputation than anything I could say about why you
Hi,
Kelly Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sven Neumann wrote:
The ball is rolling now and any further discussion about it is only
hurting GIMP's reputation.
You're going to do what you're going to do. I'm just offering my
counsel. Claiming that offering my counsel is hurting GIMP's
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 04:36:53PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is so insisting is that you are not telling the truth, and I
wonder why you resort to that.
I am not going to let you claim in public that I was lying to
Sorry for the f'up to my own mail, but to avoid getting pushed into the
troll corner I'd like to add this:
The reason I am so insisting is that you continously misrepresent what
people say, and the current climax is that you totally ignore that the
overwhelming majority of people here said they
Marc,
Arguments like the others do it, too? That's of course no
argument, and you never delivered anything else.
Please look at the mailing-list archive, there were numerous arguments
for 2.0. Your attitude is extremly unfair. You are completely ignoring
the discussion that has taken place and
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 04:36:53PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is so insisting is that you are not telling the truth, and I
wonder why you resort to that.
I am not going to let you claim in public that I was lying to you or
any other GIMP developer.
I didn't claim
Hi Marc,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
Sorry for the f'up to my own mail, but to avoid getting pushed into the
troll corner I'd like to add this:
The reason I am so insisting is that you continously misrepresent what
people say, and the current climax is that you totally
Am Mon, 2003-07-21 um 01.54 schrieb Sven Neumann:
This can be easily fixed. We just need to find out what changes we
actually want to do. Mitch seems to have a pretty clear idea how it
could work and I think we discussed that we need some XML file that
maps keywords to HTML pages.
I've also
Hi,
Joao S. O. Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am here working, though slowly, on the programable layer mode,
which I proposed when I first joined the list.
It's not such a small change, since adding layer modes breaks the
cross-reading of .xcf files.
So what I need to know now
Hi,
Alastair Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Saturday 19 July 2003 7:48 am,
It has lots and lots of features that we did never promise and despite
of 16bit support I don't see what we would be missing (provided we get
the basic CMYK supoprt finished that we started to work on). I
Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes:
This is *extremely* unfair. _You_ are proposing a rather big version
change, and your only argument is soemthing like I told soma
magazine
I sense your reaction as extremly unfair since we discussed the
version number in all details
Christopher W. Curtis wrote:
On 07/19/03 13:10, Carol Spears wrote:
I also will not write any English documentation until I can afford to
buy that book that explains the English rules about
hyphens.
I'm not sure what book or what hyphens you are talking about, but the
Elements of
Hi,
1) Transform the old help into something that will serve more or less
as help for the new GIMP. This will cost quite some amount of time
since the help browser is not uptodate and most of the content
doesn't exactly fit the 1.3 UI anymore.
What exactly is the problem with the
David Neary wrote:
Just to explain, this is about whether applications which use the
libgimp API to furnish services to the main GIMP app should be
called plug-ins or plugins. Old story - I believe bex insisted on
plug-ins, and eventually won people over - carol prefers plugins.
'Plugins' is
On 07/19/03 20:56, Carol Spears wrote:
Having the ./gimp-1.3/plug-ins is problematic to me. The rest
of gimp names use hyphens as wisely as you can expect, but not
this one area.
Aha ... well, doing a quick search with 'dict,' it knows about plug-in
and refers plugin to plug-in
Am Son, 2003-07-20 um 13.36 schrieb Sven Neumann:
You're quoting out of context without replying to me; if you prefer
to get an answer you'd better fix that because I might miss a mail in
the floods at times.
What exactly is the problem with the help-browser in 1.3? I know that
there are
Hi,
Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The problem is the mapping of content to context, the system is still
based on the 1.2 help which won't get us very far except with the 1.2
help.
This can be easily fixed. We just need to find out what changes we
actually want to do. Mitch seems to
On 18-Jul-2003, Christopher Curtis wrote:
The 1.9.x Building GIMP 2.0 branch
o GEGL -- Gimp 'E' Graphical Library
o GCim -- The convergence integrated media object and utility library.
I am one of these active users that have been lead to believe that gimp 2.0
will use GEGL. So, all the
On Friday 18 July 2003 16:59, Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to inform you about our plans for the GIMP 2.0 release.
(...)
Originally we wanted to get GIMP 2.0 out at GimpCon. Since that is
actually in three weeks, we will definitely not make it but I am
still optimistic that we will
Am Sam, 2003-07-19 um 00.18 schrieb Sven Neumann:
I am not sure what you are trying to say here but actually I was
hoping to hear some helpful and constructive comments on gimp-help2
from you. Did you read my mail at all?
I've read every single mail to the mailinglist however I hoped to
On 19 Jul 2003, at 12:04, Daniel Egger wrote:
Here's the explanation about the gimp-help2 project:
Mel and I started gimp-help2 from scratch in order to create a
completely new structured documentation in XML without any cruft from
the old module. We agreed that I am the technical maintainer
Hi Sven,
On Saturday 19 July 2003 7:48 am,
It has lots and lots of features that we did never promise and despite
of 16bit support I don't see what we would be missing (provided we get
the basic CMYK supoprt finished that we started to work on). I really
Since I'm new to the 1.3 branch,
Am Sam, 2003-07-19 um 14.09 schrieb Branko Collin:
Isn't Rebecca Walter part of the team anymore?
Her new job took over all her spare time so she couldn't actively
participate. She promised to chime in when there's some content
to proof it but since there's not much to proof
I could spare
Daniel Egger wrote:
Am Sam, 2003-07-19 um 14.09 schrieb Branko Collin:
Isn't Rebecca Walter part of the team anymore?
Her new job took over all her spare time so she couldn't actively
participate. She promised to chime in when there's some content
to proof it but since there's not much
Daniel Egger wrote:
Am Sam, 2003-07-19 um 19.10 schrieb Carol Spears:
It is difficult to share a freshman attempt with developers.
If anyone is interested in seeing what I am doing, helping,
commenting or running it through validation devices, feel free
to suggest the best way to share these
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 09:59:22PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
decision. We came to the point that it should be called 2.0. It's just
a number, so please, before you start the discussion again, think
twice if it's worth it.
It's not just a number, it is also used in the
On 07/19/03 13:10, Carol Spears wrote:
I also will not write any English documentation until I can afford to
buy that book that explains the English rules about
hyphens.
I'm not sure what book or what hyphens you are talking about, but the
Elements of Style is in the public domain. Here are
On 07/19/03 13:10, Carol Spears wrote:
I also will not write any English documentation until I can afford to
buy that book that explains the English rules about
hyphens.
Also, I'm not heard of this, but it sounds like it may pertain more to
British English (I'm under the impression that
Am Sam, 2003-07-19 um 19.10 schrieb Carol Spears:
It is difficult to share a freshman attempt with developers.
If anyone is interested in seeing what I am doing, helping,
commenting or running it through validation devices, feel free
to suggest the best way to share these files.
For the
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gimp is more than Mitch and me, isn't it?
Yes it is. And if you are really willing to continue this sinless
discussion instead of helping us to get the release done, we can of
This is *extremely* unfair. _You_
On 19 Jul 2003 at 22:13, David Neary wrote:
[...]
Those are the problems at the philosophical level. At the
practical level, the problems are:
1) Not enough users use bugzilla to report bugs
Bugzilla is powerful, but its power comes at the price of complexity...
2) Not enough developers
Christopher W. Curtis wrote:
On 07/19/03 13:10, Carol Spears wrote:
I also will not write any English documentation until I can afford to
buy that book that explains the English rules about
hyphens.
Also, I'm not heard of this, but it sounds like it may pertain more to
British English
Michael Schumacher wrote:
On 19 Jul 2003 at 22:13, David Neary wrote:
[...]
Those are the problems at the philosophical level. At the
practical level, the problems are:
1) Not enough users use bugzilla to report bugs
Bugzilla is powerful, but its power comes at the price of complexity...
Hi,
I'd like to inform you about our plans for the GIMP 2.0 release.
First of all, Mitch and me are not willing to raise the 2.0 versus 1.4
discussion again. Both sides have expressed their arguments. We took
quite some time to think about all of them and to reconsider our
decision. We came to
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to inform you about our plans for the GIMP 2.0 release.
First of all, Mitch and me are not willing to raise the 2.0 versus 1.4
discussion again.
Gimp is more than Mitch and me, isn't it?
Both sides have expressed their arguments. We
Nathan Carl Summers wrote:
Yes, calling the new release 2.0 is a LIE. I cannot emphasize this
strongly enough. It is a lie because we have told many, many people what
2.0 will do. To release a 2.0 without these features is pure
misrepresentation. It is much too late to put the worms back into
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