Re: [Gimp-developer] xHTML+CSS importer plugin

2007-05-29 Thread Guillermo Espertino
/gg wrote:
 These are just assumptions you are making , not a standard of any kind.
They are not just assumptions: a DIV without class or ID or style is 
impossible to be visually formatted. So a clean div is just for 
conceptual delimitation.
A DIV with one of those attributes can be -or not- visually formatted, 
so it depends on which css styles are applied. If you read the css 
information you can easily realize which are visual blocks and which are 
not.
And about the standard thing, just refer to the W3C's Visual Formatting 
Model.  There you can get information on which css attributes should be 
considered or not.

 It is a good idea in itself but since there is no fixed way this will 
 be implemented by any web designer it's far too vague to start writing 
 a plug-on for.
If most of the web designers out there don't follow the standards, it 
doesn't make my suggestion too vague.
Is a standard procedure. If programs like dreamweaver or even NVU skip 
the standards trying to make a user friendly program doesn't mean that 
those standards don't exist.

 This seems firmly outside what gimp has decided to be as an image editor.
That's why I suggest a plugin. It seems that many people asked for 
slicing (which isn't a standard or a fixed way to design either, because 
there is no fixed ways to make things in design in general) as a core 
function of Gimp.
I'm aganist it. So I suggested that xHTML+CSS importer plugin as an 
interesting approach for a similar use, but as an external, optional 
function.
I'm not saying it's a must-be and Gimp must have it by default. It's 
just an idea.

Thank you for your comments.
Gez.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] xHTML+CSS importer plugin

2007-05-29 Thread Michael Schumacher

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Datum: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:27:39 -0300
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 /gg wrote:
  These are just assumptions you are making , not a standard of any kind.
 They are not just assumptions: a DIV without class or ID or style is 
 impossible to be visually formatted.

nitpick
You can still reach it via adjacent sibling, child or descendant selectors, or 
- if it does have any other attribute - an attribute selector.
/nitpick


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[Gimp-developer] xHTML+CSS importer plugin

2007-05-28 Thread Guillermo Espertino
/gg wrote:
 There's nothing wrong with your suggesting an idea to the list.

 Your input as a web designer could be relevant if you can be specific.

 Can you be more precise than wireframe? I still dont know what you 
 are wishing to see implemented.

Ah, Ok.
Look, I said wireframe meaning the structure of divs (with their 
heights, widths and background colors and relative position beetwen 
them) in a xhtml+css document. My idea for a plugin is to parse (i don't 
know if this term is correct) that information creating a new document 
with layers with solid fill with the same dimensions and placement that 
the div blocks of the source document have.
So, a plugin or script for this should read the document and its css, 
and place the new layers in a blank image template.
As a xhtml  is  a text file,  the order of the div blocks will be 
consecutive. The divs with their width, height, floating and other 
styles related to the visual formatting model will have a class, ID or 
style applied to read from. The divs with other purposes (conceptual 
delimitation) won't, so they can be skipped.
I haven't a coder background, so I cannot say how (and if it can be easy 
to implement or not), but I think that it's, at least, an interest idea. 
And it sounds logical to me.
Maybe it would be possible to use an external rendering engine (gecko or 
so) for translating the html elements into graphical blocks.

Gez.

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