Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-19 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 18:04 +0200, gg wrote: [...] It seems that there is an implicit assumption in the current behaviour that if the image can fit into the display window it absolutely must be centred. The idea that the pixel under the mouse pointer should stay at the same position on the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-18 Thread Fredrik Alströmer
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 15:01, Maciej Pilichowski bluedz...@wp.pl wrote: On Sunday 17 May 2009 13:08:33 Fredrik Alströmer wrote: I don't want to add fuel to the fire, Nah :-), we are talking not quarreling :-)) Well, in that case... ;) I just wanted to point out that Sven is not alone in

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Rob Antonishen wrote: Instead of zooming in and out all the time why not vreate a new view at the other zoom to have both always available? So we are back to the old magnifying lens discussion? :) Alexandre ___

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-18 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Monday 18 May 2009 09:13:03 Fredrik Alströmer wrote: I realize that the current behaviour has the reason, but also I try find out the way, so users with other workflow could benefit. It'll probably be very hard to solve for everyone, I guess solving for 'most people' (don't try to get a

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-18 Thread gg
The effect of this (fixed point of zoom) is that the relation to mouse when doing inout is preserved. Jernej pointed out that PaintShopPro behaves like I wished for, so they had a reason for this too. I think this is the main point from a GUI design angle. The GUI should be

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-18 Thread Martin Nordholts
gg wrote: It seems that there is an implicit assumption in the current behaviour that if the image can fit into the display window it absolutely must be centred. Yes this is correct. Before we added this logic it was a pain to work with the zoom; often when you zoomed out the image

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-18 Thread Kurt Pruenner
Martin Nordholts wrote: Yes this is correct. Before we added this logic it was a pain to work with the zoom; often when you zoomed out the image ended up completely offsetted out in a corner in the image window. I am completely open to improving zoom however since I also have the feeling

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-18 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Monday 18 May 2009 20:46:21 Kurt Pruenner wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I would expect the mousewheel zoom to center on the mouse cursor while hitting + and - on the keyboard should zoom from the center... This would mean that people with some disabilities are limited by gimp. The same

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-18 Thread Sparr
The most natural-feeling zoom tools I have used do something similar to this. Instead of centering on the mouse cursor, they zoom such that the pixel under the mouse cursor does not move. This makes the zoom feel very smooth, imho. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Kurt Pruenner l...@gmx.at

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-17 Thread Fredrik Alströmer
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 22:10, Maciej Pilichowski bluedz...@wp.pl wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 22:02:53 Sven Neumann wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:55 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 21:38:04 Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-17 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Sunday 17 May 2009 13:08:33 Fredrik Alströmer wrote: I don't want to add fuel to the fire, Nah :-), we are talking not quarreling :-)) I just wanted to point out that Sven is not alone in his opinion. I realize that the current behaviour has the reason, but also I try find out the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-17 Thread Rob Antonishen
Instead of zooming in and out all the time why not vreate a new view at the other zoom to have both always available? -Rob A. On 5/17/09, Maciej Pilichowski bluedz...@wp.pl wrote: On Sunday 17 May 2009 13:08:33 Fredrik Alströmer wrote: I don't want to add fuel to the fire, Nah :-), we are

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-17 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Sunday 17 May 2009 16:40:54 Rob Antonishen wrote: Instead of zooming in and out all the time why not vreate a new view at the other zoom to have both always available? Well, I could zoom in and then not zoom out at all, just scroll, but both those solutions require more work than zooming

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Alec Burgess
Maciej Pilichowski (bluedz...@wp.pl) wrote (in part) (on 2009-05-14 at 09:08): But for zooming out there is no such cheap workaround. Image: DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC letters are off the screen, digits are visible. | denotes edges Now -- I would like to zoom out on 5 (I

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 09:06:25 Alec Burgess wrote: However (I hadn't tried this before) if with zoom-tool you do Ctrl+click+drag to define area of interest then release AFAICT the area of interest always remains visible. Possible problem (?) - you may find it zooms out too quickly. I tried

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 15:08 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC letters are off the screen, digits are visible. | denotes edges Now -- I would like to zoom out on 5 (I would like to focus on that area), how do I do? What is your definition of

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 19:57:39 Sven Neumann wrote: DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC DEFGHIJK|12345|ABC What is your definition of focusing on that area? Focusing on the 5 for means having 5 under the mouse pointer. Now how can you possibly argue that this is not intuitive and useful? I seriously

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 20:20 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: Currently the image is glued to the mouse cursor which I don't find any useful -- I would like to see big picture (or more details), I move the mouse anyway. Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:38:04 Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. Well, it would be consistent if gimp consistently kept this pixel-cursor relation. But it is not (gimp 2.6.6). Open any

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:55 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 21:38:04 Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. Well, it would be consistent if gimp consistently

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, May 15, 2009, 21:38:04, Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent. If you zoom out too far, you can easily zoom back in without loosing the area of interest. I think that clearly

Re: [Gimp-developer] [wish] center on focused area on zoom out

2009-05-15 Thread Maciej Pilichowski
On Friday 15 May 2009 22:02:53 Sven Neumann wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 21:55 +0200, Maciej Pilichowski wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 21:38:04 Sven Neumann wrote: Keeping the pixel under the mouse cursor fixed has the advantage that the behavior for zooming in and out is consistent.