Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Dave Neary
Sven Neumann wrote:

Hi,

Stephan Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


1. Whenever I click on the 'Insert Text' Button, the foreground
color as well as the color for the text itself changes to
black. Though it is possible to use another color it is much more
complicated than before (1.2.2). Why?  I often pick a color out of
the picture with this little colorpickertool and then insert text in
this color that matches another in the picture. Black is the least I
would use. But now this is complicated and rather a pain. Does this
change have any purpose I just don't see? Anyway, if it doesn't, can
you change that back in the next release?


The foreground color is not supposed to change. If it really does,
that would be a bug. However I don't seem to able to reproduce this.
This is an issue with the per-tool contexts.

If you select a colour with the colour picker, then select the text tool, the 
text tool will have a black foreground (its own context). However, it doesn't 
affect the background. This is confusing, because it means that using the colour 
picker to pick a text colour involves picking the colour, opening the colour 
chooser and saving it, setting the text tool, opening the colour chooser for the 
text tool, and loading the saved colour. Which is complicated.It would be nicer 
(imho) if the text tool used the active FG if it hadn't been set yet, rather 
than defaulting to black.

If you look at this from the point of view of someone coming from 1.2, this 
problem is obvious.

Cheers,
Dave.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Dave Neary wrote:
It would be nicer (imho) if the 
text tool used the active FG if it hadn't been set yet, rather than 
defaulting to black.
The proper way to do this, I suppose, would be to get rid of the color option 
from the text tool options, and just use the foreground in the same way as the 
other paint tools use it (keep it in the context, but don't set it by default).

Cheers,
Dave.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 This is an issue with the per-tool contexts.

This is not an issue, it's a bug and should be reported in Bugzilla.

 If you select a colour with the colour picker, then select the text
 tool, the text tool will have a black foreground (its own
 context). However, it doesn't affect the background. This is
 confusing, because it means that using the colour picker to pick a
 text colour involves picking the colour, opening the colour chooser
 and saving it, setting the text tool, opening the colour chooser for
 the text tool, and loading the saved colour. Which is complicated.It
 would be nicer (imho) if the text tool used the active FG if it hadn't
 been set yet, rather than defaulting to black.

Sorry, but that's definitely not how it works nor how it's supposed to
work.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Stephan Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Well, it does here.
 I can reproduce it every time.
 0. Load Gimp and load any picture (tried with RGB and Greyscale)
 1. press O
 2. pick a color from the picture
 3. close the little color chooser window
 4. press T or click the Text button
 - The forgroundcolor is black again and so is the text.  As I said,

I had a closer look and it does indeed not behave as it should. So
this is clearly a bug.
 
 I use version 2.0.1, which works fine, besides this. If it really is
 a bug. It wouldn't be so bad if I could choose a new color from the
 textcolorwidget but there is only the color dialog which is
 inconvenient. I prefer 'o'.

You don't have to use the color dialog that you open from the text
tool options. Simply drag a color on the color button to change the
text color.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

  It would be nicer (imho) if the text tool used the active FG if it
  hadn't been set yet, rather than defaulting to black.

That's exactly how it is supposed to work.
 
Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The proper way to do this, I suppose, would be to get rid of the
 color option from the text tool options, and just use the foreground
 in the same way as the other paint tools use it (keep it in the
 context, but don't set it by default).

Nope, that won't work. The text tool is supposed to use the foreground
color unless it is being used on an already existing text layer. In
that case it needs to use the color of the text layer and that's why
the color button is needed.

All that needs to be done here is to get the bug fixed and resurrect
the intended behaviour.


Sven

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Stephan Menzel
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Good morning,

On Tuesday 11 May 2004 10:53, Dave Neary wrote:

 The proper way to do this, I suppose, would be to get rid of the color
 option from the text tool options, and just use the foreground in the same
 way as the other paint tools use it (keep it in the context, but don't set
 it by default).

Exactly.
This is how it used to be and this is how it should be. The extra color option 
in the text options is not needed.

Stephan

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Stephan Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The proper way to do this, I suppose, would be to get rid of the
  color option from the text tool options, and just use the
  foreground in the same way as the other paint tools use it (keep
  it in the context, but don't set it by default).
 
 Exactly.  This is how it used to be and this is how it should
 be. The extra color option in the text options is not needed.

As I already explained in a previous mail, Dave is wrong here and the
color button is needed. The way it used to be there wasn't the concept
of editable text layers. With the introduction of text layers the
color button became necessary.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Stephan Menzel
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Hello Sven,

On Tuesday 11 May 2004 12:13, Sven Neumann wrote:

 As I already explained in a previous mail, Dave is wrong here and the
 color button is needed. The way it used to be there wasn't the concept
 of editable text layers. With the introduction of text layers the
 color button became necessary.

I have seen your Mail later, sorry.
Does that mean, that this color must default to black as well? There can be an 
extra color button in that dialog, no worries, but couldn't it default to the 
picked foreground color when this text layer is created in the first place?
Or is that how it is supposed to be?

Stephan
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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Stephan Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Does that mean, that this color must default to black as well? There
 can be an extra color button in that dialog, no worries, but
 couldn't it default to the picked foreground color when this text
 layer is created in the first place?  Or is that how it is supposed
 to be?

I thought I explained that already. Unless a text layer is selected,
the color button in the text tool options is supposed to stay in sync
with the foreground color. That's how it works in the HEAD branch. I
am not sure when and why it broke in gimp-2.0.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-10 Thread Simon Budig
Stephan Menzel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[...]
(Nothing to say about your first point)

 2. The new 'Crop' tool is not as simple as the old. Formerly there used to be 
 a border that opens and you could drag the corners around until they finally 
 matched what you wanted and then you pressed the crop button. There was a 
 shortcut too. (Ctrl+c?) Now the shortcut seems to be gone and there are no 
 longer dragable corners.

I think the shortcut is Shift-C, and I don't think that changed.
You also can assign a different shortcut when enabling dynamic keyboard
shortcuts in the preferences, hovering your mouse over 
Tools-Transform Tools-Crop  Resize  and press the new shortcut.

Also I don't think that there something has fundamentally changed in the
handling of the tool itself. It surely still has the edges (for resizing
and moving the rectangle). I don't know what happens for you there.

Maybe try again? And if it really doesn't work describe more clearly
what you are doing and what is different from what you expect.

Bye,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Stephan Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 1. Whenever I click on the 'Insert Text' Button, the foreground
 color as well as the color for the text itself changes to
 black. Though it is possible to use another color it is much more
 complicated than before (1.2.2). Why?  I often pick a color out of
 the picture with this little colorpickertool and then insert text in
 this color that matches another in the picture. Black is the least I
 would use. But now this is complicated and rather a pain. Does this
 change have any purpose I just don't see? Anyway, if it doesn't, can
 you change that back in the next release?

The foreground color is not supposed to change. If it really does,
that would be a bug. However I don't seem to able to reproduce this.
 
 2. The new 'Crop' tool is not as simple as the old. Formerly there
 used to be a border that opens and you could drag the corners around
 until they finally matched what you wanted and then you pressed the
 crop button. There was a shortcut too. (Ctrl+c?) Now the shortcut
 seems to be gone and there are no longer dragable corners. You have
 to use rectangular selection instead which doesn't have this. (Or
 does it?) And when I choose 'crop' in the menu, there is a new
 selection just slightly smaller than the picture over almost the
 entire crop. I can't really see the purpose for that. The cropped
 image seems to be slightly larger than the area I actually selected
 too.

I am sorry but the crop tool didn't change at all. You should still be
able to drag the corners just as in GIMP 1.2. We only added a
convenient way to crop the image to the size of the current selection
(Image-Crop Image) but that's not really related.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-10 Thread Stephan Menzel
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Hello,

On Monday 10 May 2004 22:59, Sven Neumann wrote:
 The foreground color is not supposed to change. If it really does,
 that would be a bug. However I don't seem to able to reproduce this.

Well, it does here.
I can reproduce it every time.
0. Load Gimp and load any picture (tried with RGB and Greyscale)
1. press O
2. pick a color from the picture
3. close the little color chooser window
4. press T or click the Text button
- - The forgroundcolor is black again and so is the text.
As I said, I use version 2.0.1, which works fine, besides this. If it really 
is a bug. It wouldn't be so bad if I could choose a new color from the 
textcolorwidget but there is only the color dialog which is inconvenient. I 
prefer 'o'.

 I am sorry but the crop tool didn't change at all. You should still be
 able to drag the corners just as in GIMP 1.2. We only added a
 convenient way to crop the image to the size of the current selection
 (Image-Crop Image) but that's not really related.

Ooops. I just didn't see it in the menu where expected and I assumed it is 
gone or rather it has changed that way. It does indeed work as usual which is 
great and I apologize. Even the shortcut works and I should have noticed 
that. However, it might be confusing for some users to have two crop 
possibilities instead of one distinct way.

Stephan

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2 Questions

2004-05-10 Thread Kevin Cozens
On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 18:53, Stephan Menzel wrote:
 Well, it does here.
 I can reproduce it every time.
 0. Load Gimp and load any picture (tried with RGB and Greyscale)
 1. press O
 2. pick a color from the picture
 3. close the little color chooser window
 4. press T or click the Text button
 - - The forgroundcolor is black again and so is the text.

It is a bug (IMO). I see the same problem with 2.0.1 but not in the 2.1
version. In 2.1 I can click a pick a colour then select the text tool
without the foreground colour changing.
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