Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store [reminder]

2010-06-15 Thread Ismael Barros²
Hi Michael, sorry for the late reply

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote:
 We're currently unable to update the website (if you have a look at the
 index page, even the release announcements aren't up to date).


 Until this is resolved, we won't be able to add, edit or remove anything
 to, on or from www.gimp.org.

It's okay, we understand. Hope it gets fixed soon :)

Regards,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store [reminder]

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 07.06.2010 17:16, Ismael Barros² wrote:

 We frankly believe the T-shirt looks good, and we're sure it would
 have some more success among many loyal Gimp users with some more
 exposure. In example, publishing the link we asked for time ago in
 http://www.gimp.org/about/merchandise.html would help a lot.
 Currently, all the organizations we work with have us linked from
 their website, and it indeed helps to boost our sales and consequently
 their donations, so everybody wins.

We're currently unable to update the website (if you have a look at the
index page, even the release announcements aren't up to date).


Until this is resolved, we won't be able to add, edit or remove anything
to, on or from www.gimp.org.


Regards,
Michael

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-12-08 Thread Ismael Barros²
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Ismael Barros² razielm...@gmail.com wrote:
 For now, we have the first T-shirt almost ready to be uploaded.

The T-shirt is up and ready to be sold:
http://www.freewear.org/?page=show_itemid=FW0042

 What
 we need now is to talk with some Gimp administrator to make sure a
 link can be placed on http://www.gimp.org/about/merchandise.html. Does
 anyone know who I could contact for this?

We would also need some admin/treasurer to give him access to the
sales and donations figures in our site.

Cheers,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-12-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
Ismael Barros² wrote:

 We would also need some admin/treasurer to give him access to the
 sales and donations figures in our site.

Is there any reason why this information should not be public?


Michael

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-12-08 Thread Ismael Barros²
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote:
 Is there any reason why this information should not be public?

There's no personal information involved, so I'd say there's not.

Just in case, the information is password-protected and so far I've
given the login information to the admin of each organization, but if
you want so, I could just post the login and password here.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-12-07 Thread Ismael Barros²
Voting is over, and in the end our last design was the winner.
Results: http://www.freewear.org/?contest=gimp

The other designs were also nice, so if our Gimp T-shirts are
successful, we will probably introduce them in our catalog, and of
course, we will provide proper credit to the original design author
and award him as if he won the contest.

For now, we have the first T-shirt almost ready to be uploaded. What
we need now is to talk with some Gimp administrator to make sure a
link can be placed on http://www.gimp.org/about/merchandise.html. Does
anyone know who I could contact for this?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-11-23 Thread Ismael Barros²
Hi again,

Design submitting deadline is over, and the designs are ready to get voted.

You can vote here: http://www.freewear.org/?contest=gimp

Regards,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-11-23 Thread Alexia Death
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ismael Barros² razielm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi again,

 Design submitting deadline is over, and the designs are ready to get voted.

 You can vote here: http://www.freewear.org/?contest=gimp

That does not seem to be the case. For whatever reason I cant select
the design I like. I like the rasterized Wilber(last on the page) by
Tobias best, tho the dark version needs a more contrasting color I
think.



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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-11-04 Thread Ismael Barros²
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote:
 Ismael Barros² wrote:

 We've taken the liberty of making some simple designs based on Wilber:

 http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/propuesta_gimp.png

 I don't really like any of the Wilbers shown there. Maybe you can come
 up with some proposals featuring the more recent Wilber versions?

Our artist gave it a try:

http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/gimp_base.png
http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/gimp_base.svg

Anyway we've been talking about it and we think you guys could do it
better. How about a little competition?

If you're willing, we can setup a competition so you can send me your
designs to my email or to this list. Then I'd setup a little poll to
vote for the best designs, and the winner design would get sold at
Freewear.

Rewards for the winner: two free T-shirts (one with his design, and
another one (s)he likes from our catalog), and a special mention in
the T-shirt page with a link to his blog/gallery/portfolio if he
wants.

The design constraints are imposed by the screen-printing technique: 3
colors per design (we could print more, but we'd rather avoid it as
the T-shirt would be more expensive: a 2 or 3 colors T-shirt is 16€
and a 4 colors one is 18€), no gradients, no too small details. If we
have to tune the winner design to make it printable we'll contact with
the designer.

We'd like to have the T-shirt ready for Christmas, so the deadlines would be:
Design: from yesterday to November the 22nd
Poll: from the 33rd to the 30th.
Then, we'd see if the winning design needs some tunning, and then we'd
publish and print it.

Hope you like the idea, we're open to suggestions.

Regards,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-11-04 Thread Ismael Barros²
2009/11/4 Ramón Miranda mirandagrap...@gmail.com:
 I really like the
 http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/gimp_base.png
 But i ´ll try to do a logo for you. the format must be svg? or xcf?

Oops, forgot that little detail. Format must be svg.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-11-04 Thread Daniel Hornung
On Wednesday 04 November 2009, Ismael Barros² wrote:
 How about a little competition?

Better than this list would be the gimp-user list, and I'm sure there are some 
more lists for this purpose.

Daniel


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-26 Thread Patrick Horgan




Chris Mohler wrote:

  On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Ismael Barros² razielm...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  ... masterful elision by Patrick ...
That's with transfer/sublimation or with screen printing?
We use this: http://www.freewear.org/images/navigation/compiling/compiling_xr.jpg
With our technique what Omari Stephens states is true, that's why we
always try to remove gradients and to minimize the number of colors of
each design.

  
  
Heh - I've pulled a manual halftone screen before, and I assure you
that _with my own eyes_ I have witnessed a woman screening four-color
process *manually*.  Onto sweatshirts.  Now I would never recommend
4CP on a manual press, but it can be done ;-) And a halftone gradient
with 2 or 3 spot colors is really not that hard once you've nailed the
halftone size/shape/angle, screen mesh, and exposure time.

And for the record I dislike DTG (direct to garment) and sublimation
printing - give me screens and good old plastisol any day ;)
  

At the risk of pulling this even further off topic.   Is there anywhere
on the net I can learn enough to understand what you guys are talking
about?  I want to learn to do t-shirts, but it seems that there's so
many ways of doing it (from this conversation) that I don't even know
where to start.

Patrick


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-26 Thread Ismael Barros²
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote:
 Heh - I've pulled a manual halftone screen before, and I assure you
 that _with my own eyes_ I have witnessed a woman screening four-color
 process *manually*.  Onto sweatshirts.  Now I would never recommend
 4CP on a manual press, but it can be done ;-) And a halftone gradient
 with 2 or 3 spot colors is really not that hard once you've nailed the
 halftone size/shape/angle, screen mesh, and exposure time.

Woah. Impressive. We've heard it could be done, but thought it was
some kind of urban legend!
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread Ismael Barros²
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Alexia Death alexiade...@gmail.com wrote:
 A - no mouth and a bad squint... Bleh.
 B - still a bad squint. naah
 C - best option
 D - also good but a bit too much contrast with the bg

Nice, I'll let our artist know, thanks

 I might actually buy one, when they are available.

Once we chose a model, I guess we can have them ready in a week or
two. I'll announce them in this thread.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread gg
Emil Assarsson wrote:
 I have to say that I like B best. The ears are not that pointy and the
 lines are smoother.
 The mouth is good but the shape could be a little bit more rhythmic
 with the other lines. Maybe to wide?
 I like the wackiness of the uneven sized eyes that gives the
 impression of a happiness close to madness ;-)
 It's better than the staring eyes of C  D. The warmer orange brown is
 nicer than the grayish.
 
 I think that the black or white text is best because it balance that
 big black nose more.
 
 Great work!
 
 --
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 On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Ismael Barros² razielm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greetings,

 We are FreeWear.org, we print and sell t-shirts with FOSS designs
 (Linux distros, desktops environments, etc) and donate to each
 organization a percentage of each sold article. We usually sell via
 website, but we can also be found in local FOSS-related events. We
 also cover special orders, like commemorative t-shirts for events.

 We've been conducting a poll about which T-shirts our customers want,
 and looks like GIMP is the most popular one (besides Ubuntu), so we'd
 like to improve our catalog with some GIMP stuff.

 We've taken the liberty of making some simple designs based on Wilber:

 http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/propuesta_gimp.png

m2c;

A unfinished ; B a joke ; C grey looks OK on black with white outline. D 
similarly looks better with outline.

C,D mouth too big , too near to edge.


 There are some possibilities that look cool, and we would love to have
 some feedback on which design (A, B, C or D) and tee color (white or
 black) look best to you. Also, is the font okay? Is there any better
 font available out there for a GIMP logo?

 We'd be happy to know what you think :)


 About donations:
 With other organizations like Gnome or KDE, we've agreed that they
 link our website from theirs and we donate 3€ for each sold 14€
 t-shirt. If you don't want to place a link, you'd still receive some
 donation to thank you for letting us use your logo and name, but no
 fixed amount.

Did I miss part of this discussion or is this what you regard as asking 
for permission to use the name and logo for some arbitrary unspecified 
sum? The wording suggests you will decide what you donate.

Maybe this permission was sought elsewhere. My apologies if that's the case.

Not that you've spent a lot of time on the design but shouldn't this 
start with saying you have customers willing to pay $14 and how much 
would the project team accept for your profiting from their name and 
hard work?

I would think anyone paying $14 may imagine they are donating  the 
profit on the sale to the project.

It seems like the $3 is a sales donation for a direct link leading to a 
sale. Do you also make a donation if a Gimp referal leads to you selling 
a Ubuntu shirt ? How is all this followed.

I am not a member of the gimp team but I think you owe a bit more 
clarity and respect to those who's FREE work and brand prestige you wish 
to cash in on.

Maybe you would like to explain better how your accountability for 
attributing sales and donations works. To and outsider it seems a bit 
opaque.

I'm sure it's just your small scale , easy-going way but the good 
manners of going about things the right way never hurts.

Nice carousel you have for printing BTW. If all your shirts are 5 colour 
hand printed screen prints you should put that up front. It would help 
justify the price tag.

regards.





 You can find our website in http://www.freewear.org/

 Regards,
 Ismael Barros
 

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread Guillermo Espertino
Ismael:
I don't know the official position about this, but I think that the
Wilber image you used looks pretty dated. I'd use the Tango version or
the icon for Mac that Jimmac designed.
They look much better and as far as I could see, the Tango version is
being used for GIMP since 2.4 

http://macin.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/gimp-icon-512x512.png
http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/gimp-mac.png

Saludos
Gez.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread Omari Stephens
Guillermo Espertino wrote:
 Ismael:
 I don't know the official position about this, but I think that the
 Wilber image you used looks pretty dated. I'd use the Tango version or
 the icon for Mac that Jimmac designed.
 They look much better and as far as I could see, the Tango version is
 being used for GIMP since 2.4 
 
 http://macin.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/gimp-icon-512x512.png
 http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/gimp-mac.png

Gradients are hard and expensive to do on T-shirts.  Most t-shirts are screen 
printed, which means that distinct colors are layed down one at a time. 
Usually, there is no blending.

Additionally, because colors are added one-at-a-time, adding colors directly 
increases the production time and cost of the shirt.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread Chris Mohler
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Omari Stephens x...@csail.mit.edu wrote:
 Guillermo Espertino wrote:
 Ismael:
 I don't know the official position about this, but I think that the
 Wilber image you used looks pretty dated. I'd use the Tango version or
 the icon for Mac that Jimmac designed.
 They look much better and as far as I could see, the Tango version is
 being used for GIMP since 2.4

 http://macin.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/gimp-icon-512x512.png
 http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/gimp-mac.png

 Gradients are hard and expensive to do on T-shirts.  Most t-shirts are screen
 printed, which means that distinct colors are layed down one at a time.
 Usually, there is no blending.

I do t-shirts with gradient/blending all of the time - it's not any
more expensive, but it can be trickier to set up and print.  The main
thing I see w/those PNGs is that they are too low-res for a full-front
print:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/The_GIMP_icon_-_gnome.svg

 Additionally, because colors are added one-at-a-time, adding colors directly
 increases the production time and cost of the shirt.

Very true ;)

Chris
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread Sven Neumann
On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 13:04 -0500, Chris Mohler wrote:

 I do t-shirts with gradient/blending all of the time - it's not any
 more expensive, but it can be trickier to set up and print.  The main
 thing I see w/those PNGs is that they are too low-res for a full-front
 print:
 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/The_GIMP_icon_-_gnome.svg

This is an SVG. All the logos that we are using are available as SVG.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread Guillermo Espertino
 I do t-shirts with gradient/blending all of the time - it's not any
 more expensive, but it can be trickier to set up and print.  The main
 thing I see w/those PNGs is that they are too low-res for a full-front
 print

Ehhhrm... I was talking about the re-drawn Wilber designs, not the
gradients or amount of colors. The PNG files were only samples of what
versions of the mascot I was referring to.
Both Tango and Jimmac's versions are vectors. You can clean them up to
match your color requirements and print them.

Gez

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread Ismael Barros²
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM,  g...@catking.net wrote:
 Emil Assarsson wrote:
 I have to say that I like B best. The ears are not that pointy and the
 lines are smoother.
 The mouth is good but the shape could be a little bit more rhythmic
 with the other lines. Maybe to wide?
 I like the wackiness of the uneven sized eyes that gives the
 impression of a happiness close to madness ;-)
 It's better than the staring eyes of C  D. The warmer orange brown is
 nicer than the grayish.

 I think that the black or white text is best because it balance that
 big black nose more.

 Great work!

 --
 Emil


 On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Ismael Barros² razielm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Greetings,

 We are FreeWear.org, we print and sell t-shirts with FOSS designs
 (Linux distros, desktops environments, etc) and donate to each
 organization a percentage of each sold article. We usually sell via
 website, but we can also be found in local FOSS-related events. We
 also cover special orders, like commemorative t-shirts for events.

 We've been conducting a poll about which T-shirts our customers want,
 and looks like GIMP is the most popular one (besides Ubuntu), so we'd
 like to improve our catalog with some GIMP stuff.

 We've taken the liberty of making some simple designs based on Wilber:

 http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/propuesta_gimp.png

 m2c;

 A unfinished ; B a joke ; C grey looks OK on black with white outline. D
 similarly looks better with outline.

 C,D mouth too big , too near to edge.

Thanks a lot for the hints


 There are some possibilities that look cool, and we would love to have
 some feedback on which design (A, B, C or D) and tee color (white or
 black) look best to you. Also, is the font okay? Is there any better
 font available out there for a GIMP logo?

 We'd be happy to know what you think :)


 About donations:
 With other organizations like Gnome or KDE, we've agreed that they
 link our website from theirs and we donate 3€ for each sold 14€
 t-shirt. If you don't want to place a link, you'd still receive some
 donation to thank you for letting us use your logo and name, but no
 fixed amount.

 Did I miss part of this discussion or is this what you regard as asking
 for permission to use the name and logo for some arbitrary unspecified
 sum? The wording suggests you will decide what you donate.

Usually we formally ask for permission to use the names and logos for
our T-shirts, but in this case I've interpreted in
http://gimp.org/about/merchandise.html that permission is implicit,
and contact is appreciated:

If you intend to produce and sell GIMP-related merchandise
such as tee-shirts, pins or other gadets, we would appreciate
being contacted before you create any modified version of
artwork featured on this site such as Wilber, the GIMP mascot.

I just assumed there would be no problem with the permission and moved
on to the design phase.

 Maybe this permission was sought elsewhere. My apologies if that's the case.

 Not that you've spent a lot of time on the design but shouldn't this
 start with saying you have customers willing to pay $14 and how much
 would the project team accept for your profiting from their name and
 hard work?

We try to be egalitarian with all the organizations, and not to pay
one of them more than to the others, if we have the same kind of
agreement. That's why we tell every organization to donate them 3€ per
T-shirt if they are willing to link our website from their website
(like most of our customers do), and to donate them what we can/want
if they don't (like Debian).

Anyway, we're always open to negotiation.

 I would think anyone paying $14 may imagine they are donating  the
 profit on the sale to the project.

 It seems like the $3 is a sales donation for a direct link leading to a
 sale. Do you also make a donation if a Gimp referal leads to you selling
 a Ubuntu shirt ? How is all this followed.

It is not followed. I think it would be an overkill. What would be
correct, to pay the organization only if the T-shirt is bought after
having followed the link from the organization's website? I think that
would be wrong on many levels, better to keep it simple.

 I am not a member of the gimp team but I think you owe a bit more
 clarity and respect to those who's FREE work and brand prestige you wish
 to cash in on.

And we totally respect their work and effort. So far, the deal I've
proposed for the Gimp is exactly the same deal we've proposed to all
the other organizations we work with, and so far they've considered it
fair. It doesn't imply any risk for them (only for us, if the T-shirts
are not sold we lose money), except for a bad design that gives bad
publicity (and that's why we always make sure each design is okay
before selling it) and it gives them the possibility for some income,
besides the merchandise and publicity.

 Maybe you would like to explain better how your accountability for
 attributing sales and donations works. 

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-25 Thread Ismael Barros²
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Omari Stephens x...@csail.mit.edu wrote:
 Guillermo Espertino wrote:
 Ismael:
 I don't know the official position about this, but I think that the
 Wilber image you used looks pretty dated. I'd use the Tango version or
 the icon for Mac that Jimmac designed.
 They look much better and as far as I could see, the Tango version is
 being used for GIMP since 2.4

 http://macin.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/gimp-icon-512x512.png
 http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/gimp-mac.png

 Gradients are hard and expensive to do on T-shirts.  Most t-shirts are screen
 printed, which means that distinct colors are layed down one at a time.
 Usually, there is no blending.

 I do t-shirts with gradient/blending all of the time - it's not any
 more expensive, but it can be trickier to set up and print.  The main
 thing I see w/those PNGs is that they are too low-res for a full-front
 print:
 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/The_GIMP_icon_-_gnome.svg

That's with transfer/sublimation or with screen printing?
We use this: 
http://www.freewear.org/images/navigation/compiling/compiling_xr.jpg
With our technique what Omari Stephens states is true, that's why we
always try to remove gradients and to minimize the number of colors of
each design.


 Additionally, because colors are added one-at-a-time, adding colors directly
 increases the production time and cost of the shirt.

 Very true ;)

 Chris
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP T-shirts in our online store

2009-10-24 Thread Alexia Death
On Sunday 25 October 2009 01:43:56 Ismael Barros² wrote:
 There are some possibilities that look cool, and we would love to have
 some feedback on which design (A, B, C or D) and tee color (white or
 black) look best to you. Also, is the font okay? Is there any better
 font available out there for a GIMP logo?
 
 We'd be happy to know what you think :)
 
A - no mouth and a bad squint... Bleh.
B - still a bad squint. naah
C - best option
D - also good but a bit too much contrast with the bg

I might actually buy one, when they are available.
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