Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-09 Thread gespert...@gmail.com
These concepts do transfer to GIMP, and if one is generally empowering students with the ability to do manipulation on images.. teaching them how to do it with GIMP gives them both a skill and an option of a tool they can use without a fee; as well as have the freedom to improve in the other

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Ofnuts
On 03/08/2011 08:46 AM, Olivier wrote: 2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com mailto:grosberg.mich...@gmail.com Debi Rapson drapson at mansd.org http://mansd.org writes: Can you point me in the direction of a list of places that actually use GIMP for photo

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
or better yet: Lab? ;] Anyway CMYK is neccessary too... W dniu 2011-03-08 10:08 użytkownik Ofnuts ofn...@laposte.net napisał: On 03/08/2011 08:46 AM, Olivier wrote: 2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com ... Could you explain why retouching photos should be made in RGB rather

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Olivier
We are not speaking about the same thing. The fact that you want to change some channels in some color model does not mean that the internal representation of images must be based on this color model. You need tools for generating a proper CMYK representation of you image, suited to your printing

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Michael Grosberg
Olivier olecarme at gmail.com writes: 2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.michael at gmail.com Debi Rapson drapson at mansd.org writes: Can you point me in the direction of a list of places that actually use GIMP for photo retouching and graphics creation. Hmm. GIMP is not well suited

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
We are not speaking about the same thing. The fact that you want to change some channels in some color model does not mean that the internal representation of images must be based on this color model. True, it doesn't. You need tools for generating a proper CMYK representation of you image,

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/8/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: When you define a color using the color chooser, I suppose you work in HSV, not RGB? In fact, most of the time I use CMYK color chooser. Since we got carried away from the topic anyway, I keep hearing users complaining about various bits of GIMP still not

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com wrote: Olivier olecarme at gmail.com writes: 2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.michael at gmail.com Debi Rapson drapson at mansd.org writes: Can you point me in the direction of a list of places that actually

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/8/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: When you define a color using the color chooser, I suppose you work in HSV, not RGB? In fact, most of the time I use CMYK color chooser. Since we got carried away

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/8/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: Since we got carried away from the topic anyway, I keep hearing users complaining about various bits of GIMP still not color managed, most notoriously -- filter preview and sample points. The latter is sort of critical to those who uses separate+ and/or

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: have nice black background. Most of the times CMS will try to simulate that with all colors while it's better to use e.g. just full black and cyan. Another example: you need to do some trapping. Sometimes it can be done

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/8/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: Since we got carried away from the topic anyway, I keep hearing users complaining about various bits of GIMP still not color managed, most notoriously -- filter preview

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Øyvind Kolås pip...@gimp.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: have nice black background. Most of the times CMS will try to simulate that with all colors while it's better to use e.g. just full black and cyan.

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: Considering the use cases where fine grained control over the resulting offset plates/actual ink used for C,M,Y,K to be a subset of the more general cases where individual ink control is desired (spot-colors (including

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com wrote: Olivier olecarme at gmail.com writes: 2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.michael at gmail.com Could you explain why retouching photos should be made in CMYK rather than RGB? Photo retouching is usually done

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: Considering the use cases where fine grained control over the resulting offset plates/actual ink used for C,M,Y,K to be a subset of the more general cases where individual ink control is desired (spot-colors

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 03/08/2011 07:50 PM, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bogdan Szczurekthebod...@gmail.com wrote: I also have high hopes for GEGL, but I'd rather have it use some more abstract color model for that. I know it's not so simple—maybe even undoable–that way, but I do like

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Michael Grosberg
Øyvind Kolås pippin at gimp.org writes: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Michael Grosberg grosberg.michael at gmail.com wrote: Olivier olecarme at gmail.com writes: 2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.michael at gmail.com These concepts do transfer to GIMP, and if one is generally

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/8/11, Michael Grosberg wrote: But photo retouching isn't the only thing GIMP can do, and I don't see why the need to focus on it. What about web graphics? digital painting? Texture art? I'm sure the artists who worked on Sintel would amaze the students with their Gimping skills. plug

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Who said this could not be done in Gimp? Some examples of Works i created with Gimp that are under CC: Retouching: * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Snow_leopard_portrait.jpg (Original) * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Snow_leopard_portrait-2010-07-09.jpg (Retouched) *

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On 03/08/2011 07:50 PM, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bogdan Szczurekthebod...@gmail.com wrote: I also have high hopes for GEGL, but I'd rather have it use some more abstract color model for that. I know it's not so simple—maybe even undoable–that way, but I do

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but why use RGB at all if one can use e.g. XYZ from the start? So wide RGB would also require greater than 8 bit depths to work satisfactorily (HSV, HSL or Lab do quite nicely even with 8 bits per component). I

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Yes, but why use RGB at all if one can use e.g. XYZ from the start? So wide RGB would also require greater than 8 bit depths to work satisfactorily (HSV, HSL or Lab do quite nicely even with 8 bits per component). I think one consolation is possible backward compatibility with some other

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-07 Thread Chris Mohler
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Debi Rapson drap...@mansd.org wrote: Can you point me in the direction of where I would go to get GOOD tutorial information about GIMP so that I can properly teach it? I'm a fan of Rolf's tutorials: http://meetthegimp.org/ HTH, Chris

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-07 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hi, Glad to hear a school is considering using GIMP - when I learned in school they tried only photoshop ad other commercial stuff. *The* reference is the official documentation, which is very very detailed as a reference - http://docs.gimp.org/ The tutorials for image retouching (and other

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-07 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Our school system appears to be headed for using GIMP as a way of teaching our students about graphics. Can you point me in the direction of where I would go to get GOOD tutorial information about GIMP so that I can properly teach it? Can you point me in the direction of a list of places

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-07 Thread Roger Penn
Grokking the GIMP is good, but is rather venerable at this point. Two of my favorites are: http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-GIMP-Professional-Akkana-Peck/dp/1430210702/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1299561503sr=8-2 and

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-07 Thread jEsuSdA 8)
El 07/03/11 21:34, Debi Rapson escribió: Our school system appears to be headed for using GIMP as a way of teaching our students about graphics. Can you point me in the direction of where I would go to get GOOD tutorial information about GIMP so that I can properly teach it? Hello Debi, I

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-07 Thread Michael Grosberg
Debi Rapson drapson at mansd.org writes: Can you point me in the direction of a list of places that actually use GIMP for photo retouching and graphics creation. Hmm. GIMP is not well suited for professional photo retouching - it lack the necessary CMYK color model (among other things). I'm

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-07 Thread Olivier
2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com Debi Rapson drapson at mansd.org writes: Can you point me in the direction of a list of places that actually use GIMP for photo retouching and graphics creation. Hmm. GIMP is not well suited for professional photo retouching - it lack