Re: [Gimp-developer] Question about bundled iBryte GIMP installer

2011-07-17 Thread Cristian Secară
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:34:08 -0600, Andrew Brandt wrote:

 -- Yontoo Layers -- a Firefox plugin which is installed during the
 process but which is not disclosed in the installation Wizard. It is
 unknown what this plugin does at this time.

Maybe this can help you in your invetigation (I didn't understand much
there, but might be because I am not English native speaker):
http://www.yontoo.com/PrivacyPolicy.aspx

Cristi

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Question about bundled iBryte GIMP installer

2011-07-14 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, July 14, 2011, 19:34:08, Andrew Brandt wrote:

 -- Have you signed a distribution agreement with this company?

No (but I'm not a core developer - just somebody who happens to
provide the most popular installer for GIMP on Windows).

 -- Are third parties permitted, according to your EULA, to bundle your 
 product this way?

GIMP is licensed under the GNU General Public License, version 2. The
GPL only covers redistribution (not usage, which isn't limited in any
way), which is allowed provided that certain criteria are met -
specifically, anybody receiving the software has to get the same
rights of redistribution, and at the same time also has to be able to
get the source code from the same place where the binary was obtained
(the source code has to match the binary exactly; it also has to be
provided from the same place as the binary, unless the one providing
the binary has an agreement with a 3rd party that's providing the
source code).

Bundling other products is not covered (it's neither forbidden, nor
allowed).

 -- If this company is distributing this software without your
 express, written consent, what steps do you plan to take to put an end to 
 this practice?

They aren't (since no such consent is needed), but unless they don't
provide the source code, nobody will do anything.

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If it looks easy, it's tough. If it looks tough, it's damn near impossible.
   -- Stockmayer's Theorem

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Question about bundled iBryte GIMP installer

2011-07-14 Thread Chris Mohler
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Andrew Brandt abra...@webroot.com wrote:
 -- If this company is distributing this software without your express, 
 written consent, what steps do you plan to take to put an end to this 
 practice?

(I'm not a developer either - I lurk here to keep tabs on the
development version.)

Here is a link to the GPL v2, under which gimp is licensed:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html

AFAIK, any 3rd party is free to repackage and distribute GIMP as long
as they make the source code available (even if they are bundling it
with crapware, unfortunately).

Chris
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Question about bundled iBryte GIMP installer

2011-07-14 Thread Christopher Curtis
2011/7/14 Jernej Simončič jer...@ena.si:
 On Thursday, July 14, 2011, 19:34:08, Andrew Brandt wrote:

 -- Are third parties permitted, according to your EULA, to bundle your 
 product this way?

 GIMP is licensed under the GNU General Public License, version 2. The

This may not be accurate.  Current GIMP releases are GPLv3:

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/COPYING?id=GIMP_2_7_2

And there remains an inconsistency between the GPLv3 and the LICENSE file:

https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2010-November/025875.html

Chris
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Question about bundled iBryte GIMP installer

2011-07-14 Thread Chris Mohler
2011/7/14 Christopher Curtis ccurt...@gmail.com:
 GIMP is licensed under the GNU General Public License, version 2. The

 This may not be accurate.  Current GIMP releases are GPLv3:

Oops - guess I need to pay more attention while lurking ;)  I thought
the GPLv3 switch was still in the works...

Chris
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Question about bundled iBryte GIMP installer

2011-07-14 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:54:42 +0200, =?utf-8?Q?Jernej_Simon=C4=8Di=C4=8D?= wrote:
 On Thursday, July 14, 2011, 19:34:08, Andrew Brandt wrote:

 -- Are third parties permitted, according to your EULA, to bundle your 
 product this way?

 GIMP is licensed under the GNU General Public License, version
 2. The GPL only covers redistribution (not usage, which isn't
 limited in any way), which is allowed provided that certain criteria
 are met - specifically, anybody receiving the software has to get
 the same rights of redistribution, and at the same time also has to
 be able to get the source code from the same place where the binary
 was obtained (the source code has to match the binary exactly; it
 also has to be provided from the same place as the binary, unless
 the one providing the binary has an agreement with a 3rd party
 that's providing the source code).

There's more to it than that; the GPL has to be passed through,
allowing downstream recipients to modify, distribute, etc. it under
the terms of the GPL.  So if someone were to extract the GIMP package
from the bundle and distribute that, I believe (IANAL) that that would
be completely kosher.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Question about bundled iBryte GIMP installer

2011-07-14 Thread Christopher Curtis
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote:
 2011/7/14 Christopher Curtis ccurt...@gmail.com:

 This may not be accurate.  Current GIMP releases are GPLv3:

 Oops - guess I need to pay more attention while lurking ;)  I thought
 the GPLv3 switch was still in the works...

Andrew didn't mention if the binary in question was a 2.6.x or 2.7.x
so we can't be sure which applies.  However, to try to answer Andrew's
original question:

The GIMP team doesn't officially release executables - only source
tarballs - at http://www.gimp.org/downloads/ .  As such, I think it's
safe to assume that it is expected that others will compile and
redistribute the resultant binaries.  It's kinda crappy when people
bundle spyware with GIMP, but they are free to do so as long as they
comply with GIMP's license.

Chris
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